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NJ-based company exposed for making dubious claims about beating lottery

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amber123's avatar - OpIFNim

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Posted: April 9, 2016, 1:01 pm - IP Logged

Wow! A lot of you people are in denial!  I know exactly what a wheel is.  You state that you have to have the correct numbers in a wheel to meet the guarantee; so tell me how do you get the correct numbers to meet the guarantee and win??  Do you guess?  Is it predicted?  Are you trying all combinations?  I guess you win all the time with your wheels since as you state "lottery wheel guarantees are in fact true...."

Also you state Steve Player never claims every person who purchases his system will win; that's not what's at issue here, you may want to check his website again regarding purchasing his systems.  On his website home page, "try a proven system and win today"!!!  Come on, don't be naive!  Or are you an employee of one of these people???

Denial?

You are ignorant about what a wheel is. LP doesn't provide the numbers to put into a wheel, just the wheels. So that means LP is not guaranteeing  you will win. duh..

When Steve Player says his systems have been proved to work, it simply means he has won using them, so in fact the statement is true. You have to be the naive one to think any system, no matter how good it is will make a winner for everyone. No system works for everyone, in every state all the time. That's called a Crystal Ball.

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    Posted: April 9, 2016, 5:45 pm - IP Logged

    Claim: system works

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    Evidence 1: I won using it.

    Claim proven true using this evidence? Nope.

     

    Evidence 2: This is the winning ticket for the next draw. (And then it wins something.)

    Claim proven true using this evidence? Nope.

     

    Evidence 3: All of these many many people claim that it is working for them including me.

    Claim proven true using this evidence? Nope.

     

    Evidence 4: My winnings are way more frequent then expected as per chance calculation.

    Claim proven true using this evidence? Nope.

     

    Evidence 5: My winnings will be way more frequent then expected as per chance calculation using these tickets. (And he shows you the tickets.)

    Claim proven true using this evidence? Yup, beyond reasonable doubt if he can keep doing it.

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    Why was evidence 1 insufficient? People win by luck all the time without using systems.

    Why was evidence 2 insufficient? People win by luck all the time without using systems.

    Why was evidence 3 insufficient? Many many people claim that they were abducted by aliens.

    Why was evidence 4 insufficient? No way to know whether he is hiding his numerous loosing tickets, which is why they have to be shown in advance or checked using LP prediction system, which is what many players here on LP who claim they have a working system conveniently don't do because of reasons.

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    Common rebuttal: 'But I don't want to show you my tickets in advance' or 'I don't have time to add  them all into LP prediction system ' etc.

    Why rebuttal doesn't work? If he is unwilling or genuinely unable to prove it, he still caries the burden of proof nonetheless. Otherwise, I could say that there is Santa on Pluto, but obviously I can't go there to prove it to you so you should just believe me anyway, even without evidence. How he is going to prove it to me is not my problem. But until he does, I have the benefit of the doubt. I have this benefit even if it is impossible to prove his claim.

      RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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      Posted: April 9, 2016, 7:54 pm - IP Logged

      Who made the claim and where did the evidence come from.  If they are just the opinions of some LP members then they prove nothing.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: April 10, 2016, 12:56 am - IP Logged

        It's nice to see the Iowa Attorney General is now protecting 86 Iowans even though the Iowa Lottery's RNG cheated thousands of Hot Lotto players. Especially now that they are saying several drawings were rigged.

        "We received a mailing from an Iowa consumer that was titled: 'How I win $20,000 every month from the lottery.' After we started to look into it we realized that this a company that is making claims that somehow consumers could beat the lottery. It's a sure win. They asserted that they had a rate of about 90 percent of lottery wins,"

        Those claims almost sounds like some of the stuff we read in the Systems, Pick-3, and Pick-4 Forums. It's subjective whether or not the seller is claiming large profit wins or any win with a payoff.

        I buy an assortment of systems every time I renew my Platinum membership, but most people using the LP systems have enough sense to know it's how a system is used and don't expect a button that creates a winner every time it's pushed.

        The pull of winning a lottery is so strong that some people are willing to throw aside all common sense and willingly send their hard-earned money to a stranger who provides no more than false hopes.

        Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the same as what lottery players do when PB and MM jackpots create ticket buying frenzies?

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          Posted: April 10, 2016, 2:29 am - IP Logged

          When I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be about Win-Track.

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

            RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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            Posted: April 10, 2016, 4:47 pm - IP Logged

            It's nice to see the Iowa Attorney General is now protecting 86 Iowans even though the Iowa Lottery's RNG cheated thousands of Hot Lotto players. Especially now that they are saying several drawings were rigged.

            "We received a mailing from an Iowa consumer that was titled: 'How I win $20,000 every month from the lottery.' After we started to look into it we realized that this a company that is making claims that somehow consumers could beat the lottery. It's a sure win. They asserted that they had a rate of about 90 percent of lottery wins,"

            Those claims almost sounds like some of the stuff we read in the Systems, Pick-3, and Pick-4 Forums. It's subjective whether or not the seller is claiming large profit wins or any win with a payoff.

            I buy an assortment of systems every time I renew my Platinum membership, but most people using the LP systems have enough sense to know it's how a system is used and don't expect a button that creates a winner every time it's pushed.

            The pull of winning a lottery is so strong that some people are willing to throw aside all common sense and willingly send their hard-earned money to a stranger who provides no more than false hopes.

            Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the same as what lottery players do when PB and MM jackpots create ticket buying frenzies?

            "I buy an assortment of systems every time I renew my Platinum membership...."

            I've never thought of what LP offered its paying members as systems but rather as tools for mining lottery data and access to the complete history of all lottery games.

            Having taken the time to create the same for the games I play I haven't maintained a paying membership but still enjoy coming to LP for the latest lottery news and posting a few predictions once in a while.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: April 10, 2016, 11:41 pm - IP Logged

              Ha to the  people  who have  believed  and  will  still  believe

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                Posted: April 12, 2016, 8:30 am - IP Logged

                Denial?

                You are ignorant about what a wheel is. LP doesn't provide the numbers to put into a wheel, just the wheels. So that means LP is not guaranteeing  you will win. duh..

                When Steve Player says his systems have been proved to work, it simply means he has won using them, so in fact the statement is true. You have to be the naive one to think any system, no matter how good it is will make a winner for everyone. No system works for everyone, in every state all the time. That's called a Crystal Ball.

                Again, you've proven my point.  If you read what I stated and you had an open mind, you would understand.  I know I keep trying to educate someone who doesn't seem to comprehend so I'm done.  I reiterated things that you stated and you claim I don't know a thing about wheels. LOL!!!  Have a wonderful and blessed day!  Good luck!