Homeless man dives into dumpster to retrieve lottery ticket worth $4.82M

Nov 19, 2018, 8:29 am (54 comments)

Michigan Lottery

By Todd Northrop

A homeless Michigan man who realized he won the state's Lotto 47 game dived into a dumpster to retrieve the winning ticket.

The man, who chose to remain anonymous, was one of two people who split the $9.64 million jackpot with the winning $1 ticket he bought for the Oct. 10 drawing. He bought the winning ticket, worth $4.82 million, at the B&D Mini Mart at 32 West Munger Road in Munger.

"I have been playing the same numbers on Lotto 47 for more than two years," the man said. "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact... I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back. I am so lucky that I found it."

On Oct. 11, the man was out for a walk when he checked the winning numbers. He said he was stunned when the six numbers matched.

"As soon as I saw they matched, I started shaking and haven't stopped since," he said.

"It's been a rough couple of years for me. An injury caused me to go on disability and I haven't been able to find any work. Winning this prize has turned my life around in an instant. It means I can finally get some medical procedures that I couldn't have afforded before. This will undoubtedly improve my quality of life."

The man went to Lottery headquarters Thursday and decided to take a lump sum of approximately $3 million.

The winning numbers in the Oct. 10 Lotto 47 drawing were 5, 12, 24, 31, 35, and 42.

The second winning ticket from the drawing was bought at The Silver House Liquor, located at 16661 25 Mile Road in Macomb Township. The winning ticket holder, a Macomb County man who chose to remain anonymous, claimed his share of the jackpot on Oct. 12.

Each Lotto 47 play is only $1. Players select six numbers from one to 47 for a chance to win a jackpot starting at $1 million and grows until someone wins it. For an additional $1 per game, players may add EZMatch to their ticket for a chance to win up to $500 instantly.

Michigan residents can buy Lotto 47 tickets online. Other games such as Powerball, Mega Millions, and Fantasy 5 can also be purchased online by Michigan residents.

Lotto 47 drawings take place on Wednesday and Saturday at 7:29 p.m. Tickets may be purchased until 7:08 p.m. on the day of the drawing.

Lottery Post Staff

Comments

Bleudog101

Perfect story to start Thanksgiving week.

So glad this poor, downtrodden soul was Blessed with a huge win.  Just what he needed and then some to turn his life around.

Don' t think/hope not anyway that he somehow ends up broke again.

Feel good story #1 of the week.

TheMeatman2005's avatarTheMeatman2005

Congrats on the win, but always need to treat lottery tickets as you would handle cash.

He said "I have been playing the same numbers on Lotto 47 for more than two years," It just seems that lately a lot of people are winning with numbers they have played for long periods of time.

souljacker37

He also said he was 'out for a walk' and checked the numbers on his phone before realising (this was in the original report I read on Michigan lottery site, where there was no suggestion the winner was homeless). I suspect the truth has been bent in this report.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Congrats on the nice win "Mr. Anonymous" and best of luck on getting your medical issues corrected. The important part is that you found your winning ticket.... I bet a certain portion of your anatomy was having pucker-factor 14 trying to locate that ticket... it's not funny about temporarily throwing the ticket away but I am chuckling at the life lesson of ticket security.

SheGood's avatarSheGood

Wonderful

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by SheGood on Nov 19, 2018

Wonderful

Yes it is. Makes one wonder at what point did he realize that he had thrown a winning ticket away? It seems our brains disengage & then somehow corrects itself. Kinda like driving, missing your turnoff, because you mentally distracted & head for the next exit to turn around.

Hope all goes well for this guy!

cbr$'s avatarcbr$
Congratulation to this Michigan man on his win. It definitely will improve his
quality of life. I bet getting medical help & a home is the top two things on his
to do list.  Nice story Todd.
zephbe's avatarzephbe

He didn't throw away his ticket.  He threw away the play slip he used to buy tickets.  Congratulations to him.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by zephbe on Nov 19, 2018

He didn't throw away his ticket.  He threw away the play slip he used to buy tickets.  Congratulations to him.

That may well be Z, but the West Coast edition of L.P. says " He threw away the winning ticket" in the very first paragraph of the article.

zephbe's avatarzephbe

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 19, 2018

That may well be Z, but the West Coast edition of L.P. says " He threw away the winning ticket" in the very first paragraph of the article.

The article does not say that.  Guess facts don't matter.  The headline is wrong.

larry3100's avatarlarry3100

I would like to read about this lucky man in three years and find out if he lost all of his lottery money. I hear most lottery winners lose their money in three years after they win. Being that he wants to remain anonymous, we may never know if he went broke. Congratulations to the winner!

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by zephbe on Nov 19, 2018

The article does not say that.  Guess facts don't matter.  The headline is wrong.

Which article are you referring to Z? Do you have another source that says different? I just went to a site called AJC.com, and they said the same thing " retrieved winning ticket from dumpster." 

music*'s avatarmusic*

"This will undoubtedly improve my quality of life."  This is the lottery dream that is shared by millions.

 MM & PB are at decent levels now.

Cool

zephbe's avatarzephbe

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 19, 2018

Which article are you referring to Z? Do you have another source that says different? I just went to a site called AJC.com, and they said the same thing " retrieved winning ticket from dumpster." 

It's in this article--didn't you read the article? 

Elizabeth03's avatarElizabeth03

With great fortune, you need to be wise, and not splurge on a overpriced house, or over priced car's, and truck's,. You need to be really careful, because the money can go quickly, if you are not intelligent with it!

Bleudog101

Quote: Originally posted by zephbe on Nov 19, 2018

It's in this article--didn't you read the article? 

It almost seems like the MI lottery is a little different than from this morning...maybe it's just me.  Said this time he retrieved the PLAY SLIP from the dumpster.

IDC one way or the other, but first time reading the article David Edwards came to mind.  No deja vu please.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by zephbe on Nov 19, 2018

It's in this article--didn't you read the article? 

l can see where you coming from Z, but l am going off the first paragraph. Personally, I see no reason to jump into a dumpster for a play slip, regardless how many times or years one has played them.

1st: one cannot claim a winning jackpot with a play slip.

2nd: l cannot understand his actions, after all, all he had to do was copy the same numbers off the ticket, and bingo, he is off to the races, again. Unless a smelly, rancid play slip from a dumpster is his thing. But hey...

Groppo's avatarGroppo

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 19, 2018

l can see where you coming from Z, but l am going off the first paragraph. Personally, I see no reason to jump into a dumpster for a play slip, regardless how many times or years one has played them.

1st: one cannot claim a winning jackpot with a play slip.

2nd: l cannot understand his actions, after all, all he had to do was copy the same numbers off the ticket, and bingo, he is off to the races, again. Unless a smelly, rancid play slip from a dumpster is his thing. But hey...

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I would go in to a dumpster, after my play slips, if I accidentally threw them away.  You see I play all my numbers, both self-pick and random#s on slips.

Unless the dumpster had some icky sticky runny stuff on the sides.

 

 

("icky runny stuff  on the sides" ? wtf?  groppo, lol , it would just be your insane juice").

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 19, 2018

l can see where you coming from Z, but l am going off the first paragraph. Personally, I see no reason to jump into a dumpster for a play slip, regardless how many times or years one has played them.

1st: one cannot claim a winning jackpot with a play slip.

2nd: l cannot understand his actions, after all, all he had to do was copy the same numbers off the ticket, and bingo, he is off to the races, again. Unless a smelly, rancid play slip from a dumpster is his thing. But hey...

This guy sure gave lots of info for someone wanting to remain anonymous. Wonder if his winning ticket was wrapped around a half eaten Twinkie?

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Groppo on Nov 19, 2018

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I would go in to a dumpster, after my play slips, if I accidentally threw them away.  You see I play all my numbers, both self-pick and random#s on slips.

Unless the dumpster had some icky sticky runny stuff on the sides.

 

 

("icky runny stuff  on the sides" ? wtf?  groppo, lol , it would just be your insane juice").

" You see l play all my numbers, both self- picks and random #s on slips." 

If that be so G, what would stop you from reworking a new set of numbers, why put yourself in harms way by climbing into the dumpster, stepping on shards of glass, piercing the soles of your sneakers  resulting in an infection, which requires a visit to the emergency room, where the nurse innocently asks you " So how did you injure yourself?"  Would you answer under your breath" l stepped on glass inside a dumpster." When asked, did l hear you say dumpster? Groppo answers. " yeah, dumpster..  dumb right? But l needed to get in there. I had thrown away something of value, you see Those were my lucky play -slips, l couldn't risk them falling into the wrong hands.

Nurse: l am too afraid to ask.

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

"what would stop you from reworking a new set of numbers"

Maybe the right question is how do you keep playing the same numbers? It might be sloppy reporting or it might be how the guy described things, but here's what the guy is quoted as saying: "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact... I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back. I am so lucky that I found it."

The way normal people speak that quote would clearly mean he accidentally threw the "same playslip" that he'd been using for some time in the dumpster. If he didn't have the numbers recorded elsewhere, which is entirely possible if he'd already tossed his most recent losing ticket(s), recovering the play slip would be the only way to continue playing the same numbers.

What's absolutely certain is that he won by playing the same numbers he had been using for 2 years, so it's a very good thing that he didn't lose the play slip and come up with a new set of numbers.

dopey7719's avatardopey7719

WOW.....Can't we all just be happy he won?  Why so critical of the article?  Who here hasn't accidentally thrown something away and then wonder where the heck you put it?  Also, my best friend has been playing the same powerball numbers for over 14 years - he still has yet to memorize the numbers or adequately keep up with them.  He's older and just relies on that slip.  When the lottery here (in SC) changed companies and switched out slips he didn't even know how to fill out the new slip when his didn't work anymore.  I had to do it for him.  He plays for weeks at a time once a month and then forgets about it until I remind him to check his ticket each month.  He keeps the lottery ticket and the slip in the same long envelope.  I've found that darn envelope in his car, under the seat, in the glove compartment, in a box of newspapers,  sometimes on the fridge, sometimes on top of the washing machine...all over the place....he just doesn't care enough.  THOSE are the people that will win.  One day I checked and he had $24 dollars on it over a month old. I finally took a snapshot of his slip so that if/when he does finally lose it, I can give him his numbers. 

If his numbers came out (or even just 4 or 5) and he didn't know where he put that envelope you best believe I'd be going through that darn dumpster with him looking for that envelope.  A dumpster, trash, scratches, dirt...all of that means nothing when you're broke, homeless or living paycheck to paycheck. 

I say all this to say that all the back and forth about who read what doesn't matter and it doesn't matter if it was the slip or ticket he went dumpster diving for.  What matters is that this homeless man was finally blessed and yeah, about that!  I'm technically homeless, living from one friend's house to the next doing odd jobs and selling all my things out of storage.  When I sell something I spend $2.00 on a powerball hoping for a miracle.  My cellphone - it was free from the government.  IF you're unemployed and if you give them all of your personal information to verify your lack of income and they set you up with the unemployment office, they issue you an old fashioned flip phone with 100 minutes on it so that potential employers can contact you.  So stop being so judgmental of people and be blessed with what you have.  Is it really so hard just to be happy for someone that comes into a good fortune? 

 

*Those who live in glass houses should not  throw stones*

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 20, 2018

"what would stop you from reworking a new set of numbers"

Maybe the right question is how do you keep playing the same numbers? It might be sloppy reporting or it might be how the guy described things, but here's what the guy is quoted as saying: "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact... I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back. I am so lucky that I found it."

The way normal people speak that quote would clearly mean he accidentally threw the "same playslip" that he'd been using for some time in the dumpster. If he didn't have the numbers recorded elsewhere, which is entirely possible if he'd already tossed his most recent losing ticket(s), recovering the play slip would be the only way to continue playing the same numbers.

What's absolutely certain is that he won by playing the same numbers he had been using for 2 years, so it's a very good thing that he didn't lose the play slip and come up with a new set of numbers.

l would agree with you Floyd, but he had already won with the current tickets he possessed. There was no reason to get into the dumpster, unless he needed those "exact" play slips.Throwing your play slip away in the round file at a store & retrieving them then & there, is fine, but getting into a dumpster is totally different, at least for me. But to each his own.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by dopey7719 on Nov 20, 2018

WOW.....Can't we all just be happy he won?  Why so critical of the article?  Who here hasn't accidentally thrown something away and then wonder where the heck you put it?  Also, my best friend has been playing the same powerball numbers for over 14 years - he still has yet to memorize the numbers or adequately keep up with them.  He's older and just relies on that slip.  When the lottery here (in SC) changed companies and switched out slips he didn't even know how to fill out the new slip when his didn't work anymore.  I had to do it for him.  He plays for weeks at a time once a month and then forgets about it until I remind him to check his ticket each month.  He keeps the lottery ticket and the slip in the same long envelope.  I've found that darn envelope in his car, under the seat, in the glove compartment, in a box of newspapers,  sometimes on the fridge, sometimes on top of the washing machine...all over the place....he just doesn't care enough.  THOSE are the people that will win.  One day I checked and he had $24 dollars on it over a month old. I finally took a snapshot of his slip so that if/when he does finally lose it, I can give him his numbers. 

If his numbers came out (or even just 4 or 5) and he didn't know where he put that envelope you best believe I'd be going through that darn dumpster with him looking for that envelope.  A dumpster, trash, scratches, dirt...all of that means nothing when you're broke, homeless or living paycheck to paycheck. 

I say all this to say that all the back and forth about who read what doesn't matter and it doesn't matter if it was the slip or ticket he went dumpster diving for.  What matters is that this homeless man was finally blessed and yeah, about that!  I'm technically homeless, living from one friend's house to the next doing odd jobs and selling all my things out of storage.  When I sell something I spend $2.00 on a powerball hoping for a miracle.  My cellphone - it was free from the government.  IF you're unemployed and if you give them all of your personal information to verify your lack of income and they set you up with the unemployment office, they issue you an old fashioned flip phone with 100 minutes on it so that potential employers can contact you.  So stop being so judgmental of people and be blessed with what you have.  Is it really so hard just to be happy for someone that comes into a good fortune? 

 

*Those who live in glass houses should not  throw stones*

No one is " unhappy " that he won. We simply having a discussion on the topic. What is so wrong with that?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by dopey7719 on Nov 20, 2018

WOW.....Can't we all just be happy he won?  Why so critical of the article?  Who here hasn't accidentally thrown something away and then wonder where the heck you put it?  Also, my best friend has been playing the same powerball numbers for over 14 years - he still has yet to memorize the numbers or adequately keep up with them.  He's older and just relies on that slip.  When the lottery here (in SC) changed companies and switched out slips he didn't even know how to fill out the new slip when his didn't work anymore.  I had to do it for him.  He plays for weeks at a time once a month and then forgets about it until I remind him to check his ticket each month.  He keeps the lottery ticket and the slip in the same long envelope.  I've found that darn envelope in his car, under the seat, in the glove compartment, in a box of newspapers,  sometimes on the fridge, sometimes on top of the washing machine...all over the place....he just doesn't care enough.  THOSE are the people that will win.  One day I checked and he had $24 dollars on it over a month old. I finally took a snapshot of his slip so that if/when he does finally lose it, I can give him his numbers. 

If his numbers came out (or even just 4 or 5) and he didn't know where he put that envelope you best believe I'd be going through that darn dumpster with him looking for that envelope.  A dumpster, trash, scratches, dirt...all of that means nothing when you're broke, homeless or living paycheck to paycheck. 

I say all this to say that all the back and forth about who read what doesn't matter and it doesn't matter if it was the slip or ticket he went dumpster diving for.  What matters is that this homeless man was finally blessed and yeah, about that!  I'm technically homeless, living from one friend's house to the next doing odd jobs and selling all my things out of storage.  When I sell something I spend $2.00 on a powerball hoping for a miracle.  My cellphone - it was free from the government.  IF you're unemployed and if you give them all of your personal information to verify your lack of income and they set you up with the unemployment office, they issue you an old fashioned flip phone with 100 minutes on it so that potential employers can contact you.  So stop being so judgmental of people and be blessed with what you have.  Is it really so hard just to be happy for someone that comes into a good fortune? 

 

*Those who live in glass houses should not  throw stones*

"WOW.....Can't we all just be happy he won?"

We all should be ecstatic that someone we don't know won money playing the lottery and while we're at it, what about the casinos, horse racing, or any other form of gambling where people win something. And it doesn't hurt to offer tips we believe is helpful to someone that will never read them or could careless what we think.

But it looks like you're missing the point of the article which is in the title and in the first sentence.

A homeless Michigan man who realized he won the state's Lotto 47 game dived into a dumpster to retrieve the winning ticket.

If he didn't know what numbers he played, how did he realize he won?

And it doesn't make any sense looking for his play slip if he knew which numbers he wanted to play. We're discussing a lottery based article with pros and cons on dumpster diving, not the person.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by dopey7719 on Nov 20, 2018

WOW.....Can't we all just be happy he won?  Why so critical of the article?  Who here hasn't accidentally thrown something away and then wonder where the heck you put it?  Also, my best friend has been playing the same powerball numbers for over 14 years - he still has yet to memorize the numbers or adequately keep up with them.  He's older and just relies on that slip.  When the lottery here (in SC) changed companies and switched out slips he didn't even know how to fill out the new slip when his didn't work anymore.  I had to do it for him.  He plays for weeks at a time once a month and then forgets about it until I remind him to check his ticket each month.  He keeps the lottery ticket and the slip in the same long envelope.  I've found that darn envelope in his car, under the seat, in the glove compartment, in a box of newspapers,  sometimes on the fridge, sometimes on top of the washing machine...all over the place....he just doesn't care enough.  THOSE are the people that will win.  One day I checked and he had $24 dollars on it over a month old. I finally took a snapshot of his slip so that if/when he does finally lose it, I can give him his numbers. 

If his numbers came out (or even just 4 or 5) and he didn't know where he put that envelope you best believe I'd be going through that darn dumpster with him looking for that envelope.  A dumpster, trash, scratches, dirt...all of that means nothing when you're broke, homeless or living paycheck to paycheck. 

I say all this to say that all the back and forth about who read what doesn't matter and it doesn't matter if it was the slip or ticket he went dumpster diving for.  What matters is that this homeless man was finally blessed and yeah, about that!  I'm technically homeless, living from one friend's house to the next doing odd jobs and selling all my things out of storage.  When I sell something I spend $2.00 on a powerball hoping for a miracle.  My cellphone - it was free from the government.  IF you're unemployed and if you give them all of your personal information to verify your lack of income and they set you up with the unemployment office, they issue you an old fashioned flip phone with 100 minutes on it so that potential employers can contact you.  So stop being so judgmental of people and be blessed with what you have.  Is it really so hard just to be happy for someone that comes into a good fortune? 

 

*Those who live in glass houses should not  throw stones*

Thank you for your point of view on the matter dopey.I will respectfully disagree with some of your last paragraph. A judgement is based on what is evident and also prior knowledge of a person/subject and the particular actions that transpired. If we as humans aren't allowed to be as you put it,"so judgemental" of another persons actions,then how can we shares ideas or information to advance ?  Because I believe that you need to be held responsible/have integrity for your actions in being a good person, doesn't mean that Rcbbuckeye or Stack47 or Music or noise-gate or even Todd has to agree with my point of view. We have all learned of the downfalls of past big winners, we learn from their negative outcomes and we express our 1st Amendment  rights in doing so. That's what makes us a great country with numerous opportunities to do better. Because of negative circumstances we become stronger as a lottery player/person/group/nation. Expressing those ideas/judgements to discuss whether they are pro or con is always a good thing. While I am far from a perfect person and have made numerous errors in my 50+ years of existence in the USA. I try to learn from other points of view and can also accept criticism of mine because I don't know everything there is to know about all situations. 

 Your last statement about living in glass houses and throwing stones is true but there is also another old statement that was taught to me back in the 60's and 70's while growing up. "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me"(unless only I allow them to).  I might suggest you consider that one for usage as well.

Best of luck to you on your next lottery purchase Thumbs Up

sweetie7398's avatarsweetie7398

Congrats

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 20, 2018

l would agree with you Floyd, but he had already won with the current tickets he possessed. There was no reason to get into the dumpster, unless he needed those "exact" play slips.Throwing your play slip away in the round file at a store & retrieving them then & there, is fine, but getting into a dumpster is totally different, at least for me. But to each his own.

How do you know when he went into the dumpster to retrieve whatever he was after?

The quote is from the guy himself: "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact... I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back."  Is that how you'd say it if you were talking about throwing the ticket away? Why did he even mention always using the same play slip?

Then there's this quote: "As soon as I saw they matched, I started shaking and haven't stopped since," If he saw that the numbers matched he was probably looking at something else with those numbers. Had he already gone dumpster diving to recover a ticket before knowing it was a winner? Was he looking at the play slip? Either way, why would he say he started shaking right away without clearly saying he had thrown the ticket away?

I think the logical explanation is that the quote means exactly what it says and that some reporter who doesn't get enough time to do a good job got confused.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 20, 2018

How do you know when he went into the dumpster to retrieve whatever he was after?

The quote is from the guy himself: "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact... I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back."  Is that how you'd say it if you were talking about throwing the ticket away? Why did he even mention always using the same play slip?

Then there's this quote: "As soon as I saw they matched, I started shaking and haven't stopped since," If he saw that the numbers matched he was probably looking at something else with those numbers. Had he already gone dumpster diving to recover a ticket before knowing it was a winner? Was he looking at the play slip? Either way, why would he say he started shaking right away without clearly saying he had thrown the ticket away?

I think the logical explanation is that the quote means exactly what it says and that some reporter who doesn't get enough time to do a good job got confused.

The man, who chose to remain anonymous

Just a guess, but maybe someone from the lottery was interviewed instead of the winner. And that would account for all the discrepancies in the story.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 20, 2018

How do you know when he went into the dumpster to retrieve whatever he was after?

The quote is from the guy himself: "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact... I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back."  Is that how you'd say it if you were talking about throwing the ticket away? Why did he even mention always using the same play slip?

Then there's this quote: "As soon as I saw they matched, I started shaking and haven't stopped since," If he saw that the numbers matched he was probably looking at something else with those numbers. Had he already gone dumpster diving to recover a ticket before knowing it was a winner? Was he looking at the play slip? Either way, why would he say he started shaking right away without clearly saying he had thrown the ticket away?

I think the logical explanation is that the quote means exactly what it says and that some reporter who doesn't get enough time to do a good job got confused.

Upon further review, l have come up with this scenario.

He originally threw his play-slips into the dumpster by mistake. On Oct 11, while out for a walk, he checked his ticket/tickets and found out that he was a winner. He knew this for certain because he said: The 6 numbers matched, matched what? Obviously, the ticket he was looking at or holding in his hand. It was probably at this point that he thought to himself " l have been playing these numbers for more than 2 years, my ship has finally come in. Given my present good fortune, l had better hold onto my play-slips. Wait a minute, where are they? Oh, l know, l threw them in a dumpster at... 

...and on that note: l say good night.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 21, 2018

Upon further review, l have come up with this scenario.

He originally threw his play-slips into the dumpster by mistake. On Oct 11, while out for a walk, he checked his ticket/tickets and found out that he was a winner. He knew this for certain because he said: The 6 numbers matched, matched what? Obviously, the ticket he was looking at or holding in his hand. It was probably at this point that he thought to himself " l have been playing these numbers for more than 2 years, my ship has finally come in. Given my present good fortune, l had better hold onto my play-slips. Wait a minute, where are they? Oh, l know, l threw them in a dumpster at... 

...and on that note: l say good night.

NG, there are just too many holes in the original story to fill in with certainties as opposed to this/that might have happened.

The 1st sentence said he threw the ticket in a dumpster.....okay..Where was that dumpster located? Near where he was calling home or was it near the store where he purchased the tickets or somewhere in between?

When he went to get his play slip from the dumpster,was it AND the ticket thrown out together or in separate dumpsters ?  Or is this more of a situation that was improperly reported for a feel-good story that should have been solely titled "A man retrieves his lucky play slip from the dumpster after realizing he won"? What?<shoulder shrug>

I don't necessarily concur with your point of "obviously the ticket he was looking at or holding in his hand". Consider this... Playing for a few years the very same numbers, it would be reasonable to deduce that he new the numbers by heart. "While out on his walk", he may have stopped by the store and picked up a print out of the recent draw numbers ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR he could have had a cell phone and be checking the numbers during his walk. Unfortunately the writer/interviewer does not clarify those particular details. Granted, the man was limited in his financial situation so I can't assume how he was checking his numbers.

Just missing a few factual "ingredients" (IMHO)..... But at least he has turned in the winning ticket and retrieved his play slip. THAT, is truly a blessing during this holiday season and a pretty good tale to repeat.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by CDanaT on Nov 21, 2018

NG, there are just too many holes in the original story to fill in with certainties as opposed to this/that might have happened.

The 1st sentence said he threw the ticket in a dumpster.....okay..Where was that dumpster located? Near where he was calling home or was it near the store where he purchased the tickets or somewhere in between?

When he went to get his play slip from the dumpster,was it AND the ticket thrown out together or in separate dumpsters ?  Or is this more of a situation that was improperly reported for a feel-good story that should have been solely titled "A man retrieves his lucky play slip from the dumpster after realizing he won"? What?<shoulder shrug>

I don't necessarily concur with your point of "obviously the ticket he was looking at or holding in his hand". Consider this... Playing for a few years the very same numbers, it would be reasonable to deduce that he new the numbers by heart. "While out on his walk", he may have stopped by the store and picked up a print out of the recent draw numbers ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR he could have had a cell phone and be checking the numbers during his walk. Unfortunately the writer/interviewer does not clarify those particular details. Granted, the man was limited in his financial situation so I can't assume how he was checking his numbers.

Just missing a few factual "ingredients" (IMHO)..... But at least he has turned in the winning ticket and retrieved his play slip. THAT, is truly a blessing during this holiday season and a pretty good tale to repeat.

You right CD. Too many holes in this story. I was simply taking a shot in the dark with my assumption- plus you have a law enforcement background, so you in a better position to view things from that perspective. More importantly though, is that he ends up with the money! Now had to gone to the press stating that he threw the winning ticket in the dumpster & was now  going to search the landfill, what an adventure that would be...for him. 

Tucker Black's avatarTucker Black

Who in their right mind would buy a lottery ticket and then throw it in the trash before checking to see if you won?

basil19

Who in their right mind has ever had a chance to retrieve a huge wining ticket from the garbage.That's a winning mind

Goteki54's avatarGoteki54

Forget the warm and fuzzies for a minute. This guy was homeless yet he was playing the lottery? DisapproveThat's the main thing that sticks out for me, not that he found the ticket. He should have never been playing in the first place. So chances are he was panhandling for money to play the lottery, and people gave it to him.Chair

Artist77's avatarArtist77

I think he found a discarded ticket that he did not buy.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Nov 21, 2018

I think he found a discarded ticket that he did not buy.

Naaaoooooooooooooooooooooo.. Come awwwwwn A, be a bit more philosophical and go with divine intervention   Star

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

"The 1st sentence said he threw the ticket in a dumpster"

The 1st sentence isn't quoting what the guy said. The part that is quoting what the guy said appears to say he threw the play slip in a dumpster.

Call me crazy, but I'm going to rely on what the guy seems to have said rather than what some reporter definitely wrote.

Lucky Loser

Hmmmmm, am I the only one that remembers this same scenario from just (6) short years ago?????

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092681/Three-women-claim-1-million-winning-lottery-ticket-fished-trash-theirs.html

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 21, 2018

"The 1st sentence said he threw the ticket in a dumpster"

The 1st sentence isn't quoting what the guy said. The part that is quoting what the guy said appears to say he threw the play slip in a dumpster.

Call me crazy, but I'm going to rely on what the guy seems to have said rather than what some reporter definitely wrote.

The quote was "dived into a dumpster to retrieve the winning ticket"..if you want to be so technical about it ... but I took i took step further and looked at what was a reasonable deduction in believing that he was in fact the person who was responsible for the ticket ending up in the dumpster. Following the connection leads from this news article

https://www.wpxi.com/news/trending-now/homeless-man-dives-into-dumpster-to-retrieve-lottery-ticket-worth-482m/874379799

The last news agency connection that contributed from the above link. 

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Millionaire-Bay-County-man-claims-half-of-964-million-lottery-prize-500690711.html

"He tossed a winning ticket from the Oct 10 drawing and had to scavenge a dumpster to get it back"

Being homeless according to the L.P.article doesn't give me any thoughts that he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and tossed it into a trash can which was put into a dumpster by the cleaning crew.

The good news is that according to this link:

https://www.clickondetroit.com/lottery/michigan-lottery-man-climbs-through-dumpster-to-find-winning-lotto-47-ticket

" The morning after the drawing, I was out for a walk and checked the numbers on my phone"....  resolving how he was checking his numbers.

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

"The quote was "dived into a dumpster to retrieve the winning ticket"..if you want to be so technical about it"

I want to be accurate about it. You understand the difference between quoting parts of the article written by a reporter and quoting the guy himself, right? You can quote several articles that say he threw the ticket away, but not a single article quotes the guy as saying he threw the ticket away. They all quote the guy saying something that sounds very much like he threw the play slip away.

And perhaps you noticed that the second article you linked uses a more complete quote of what the guy himself said that hasn't been in any of the other articles I've seen: "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact, a few months ago I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back. I am so lucky that I found it."

Besides the logical conclusion that the two consecutive sentences are connected by both being about the play slip, a few months ago was before the drawing that made the ticket a winner. While there's a chance he bought a multi-draw ticket well before the drawing there's pretty much zero chance that he went back and found it in the dumpster some weeks later. Of course there's an extremely good chance that what he said means what it sounds like and he threw the play slip in a dumpster and went back and recovered it, allowing him to play the numbers that won.

The reasonable deduction is that the guy who actually knows exactly what happened has told us what happened, but a reporter (or perhaps lottery employee relaying information to a reporter) misunderstood and described something that didn't happen.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Nov 21, 2018

Hmmmmm, am I the only one that remembers this same scenario from just (6) short years ago?????

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092681/Three-women-claim-1-million-winning-lottery-ticket-fished-trash-theirs.html

I Agree! and besides who wants to read and discuss articles where lottery winners simply claimed their prize and went on their way.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 22, 2018

"The quote was "dived into a dumpster to retrieve the winning ticket"..if you want to be so technical about it"

I want to be accurate about it. You understand the difference between quoting parts of the article written by a reporter and quoting the guy himself, right? You can quote several articles that say he threw the ticket away, but not a single article quotes the guy as saying he threw the ticket away. They all quote the guy saying something that sounds very much like he threw the play slip away.

And perhaps you noticed that the second article you linked uses a more complete quote of what the guy himself said that hasn't been in any of the other articles I've seen: "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact, a few months ago I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back. I am so lucky that I found it."

Besides the logical conclusion that the two consecutive sentences are connected by both being about the play slip, a few months ago was before the drawing that made the ticket a winner. While there's a chance he bought a multi-draw ticket well before the drawing there's pretty much zero chance that he went back and found it in the dumpster some weeks later. Of course there's an extremely good chance that what he said means what it sounds like and he threw the play slip in a dumpster and went back and recovered it, allowing him to play the numbers that won.

The reasonable deduction is that the guy who actually knows exactly what happened has told us what happened, but a reporter (or perhaps lottery employee relaying information to a reporter) misunderstood and described something that didn't happen.

If you would like to be "accurate"as you often are a H.O. picking sentences apart with most of your replies to most subjects on here. Your last sentence of "has told us"  isn't true. He may have told the story to the lottery commission a few friends and the press but he didn't tell me....He relayed his story to a reporter who made it available to us... BTW the full reported quotes on how he checked his numbers while out on his walk varied from LP and the news agencies in his home state. 

Opinions and interpretations vary.... You have yours and I have mine and other members have theirs....Best of luck with your future lottery choices

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 22, 2018

"The quote was "dived into a dumpster to retrieve the winning ticket"..if you want to be so technical about it"

I want to be accurate about it. You understand the difference between quoting parts of the article written by a reporter and quoting the guy himself, right? You can quote several articles that say he threw the ticket away, but not a single article quotes the guy as saying he threw the ticket away. They all quote the guy saying something that sounds very much like he threw the play slip away.

And perhaps you noticed that the second article you linked uses a more complete quote of what the guy himself said that hasn't been in any of the other articles I've seen: "I always use the same playslip to buy my tickets. In fact, a few months ago I accidentally threw it away and had to climb in a dumpster to get it back. I am so lucky that I found it."

Besides the logical conclusion that the two consecutive sentences are connected by both being about the play slip, a few months ago was before the drawing that made the ticket a winner. While there's a chance he bought a multi-draw ticket well before the drawing there's pretty much zero chance that he went back and found it in the dumpster some weeks later. Of course there's an extremely good chance that what he said means what it sounds like and he threw the play slip in a dumpster and went back and recovered it, allowing him to play the numbers that won.

The reasonable deduction is that the guy who actually knows exactly what happened has told us what happened, but a reporter (or perhaps lottery employee relaying information to a reporter) misunderstood and described something that didn't happen.

"And perhaps you noticed that the second article you linked uses a more complete quote"

The man, who chose to remain anonymous

Doesn't telling a story about dumpster diving at a news conference defeat the purpose of remaining anonymous? Do you really need any more information to understand what you call quotes are from a spokesman for the Michigan Lottery?

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Nov 23, 2018

"And perhaps you noticed that the second article you linked uses a more complete quote"

The man, who chose to remain anonymous

Doesn't telling a story about dumpster diving at a news conference defeat the purpose of remaining anonymous? Do you really need any more information to understand what you call quotes are from a spokesman for the Michigan Lottery?

Perfect...absolutly perfect !!!!

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

"Doesn't telling a story about dumpster diving at a news conference defeat the purpose of remaining anonymous? Do you really need any more information to understand what you call quotes are from a spokesman for the Michigan Lottery?"

Where do you suppose the story came from? Do you think the lottery just made it up? It's either that or the story came from the guy himself. The exact route from him to the articles we've seen isn't really important. And assuming you understand what quotation marks mean it should be clear that the articles are quoting the guy himself, even if those quotes were relayed by a lottery spokesman.

Of  course I suppose that you could think that Bartlett's Familiar Quotations is just a book of things said by some guy named Bartlett.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 23, 2018

"Doesn't telling a story about dumpster diving at a news conference defeat the purpose of remaining anonymous? Do you really need any more information to understand what you call quotes are from a spokesman for the Michigan Lottery?"

Where do you suppose the story came from? Do you think the lottery just made it up? It's either that or the story came from the guy himself. The exact route from him to the articles we've seen isn't really important. And assuming you understand what quotation marks mean it should be clear that the articles are quoting the guy himself, even if those quotes were relayed by a lottery spokesman.

Of  course I suppose that you could think that Bartlett's Familiar Quotations is just a book of things said by some guy named Bartlett.

Diving into a dumpster or not... 

 

In the word's of Master Sergeant Farrell: it's a new day, people. Destiny calls.

The world expects only one thing from us: That we will win.


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Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 23, 2018

"Doesn't telling a story about dumpster diving at a news conference defeat the purpose of remaining anonymous? Do you really need any more information to understand what you call quotes are from a spokesman for the Michigan Lottery?"

Where do you suppose the story came from? Do you think the lottery just made it up? It's either that or the story came from the guy himself. The exact route from him to the articles we've seen isn't really important. And assuming you understand what quotation marks mean it should be clear that the articles are quoting the guy himself, even if those quotes were relayed by a lottery spokesman.

Of  course I suppose that you could think that Bartlett's Familiar Quotations is just a book of things said by some guy named Bartlett.

"The 1st sentence isn't quoting what the guy said."

dived into a dumpster to retrieve the winning ticket

Nice catch, but don't you find it strange they didn't quote him talking about retrieving the winning ticket from dumpster but quoted him diving in for his play slip? 

"It's either that or the story came from the guy himself."

And don't you find it strange that someone that wants to remain anonymous sat down and gave an interview? Do you thing he put on a ski mask and used something to disguise his voice too?

"it should be clear that the articles are quoting the guy himself"

Do you mean like when the article said on Oct. 11, the man was out for a walk when he checked the winning numbers. He said he was stunned when the six numbers matched?

Lots of people "go out" for walks and eventually return home, but where do homeless people "go out" from and where do they return?

"even if those quotes were relayed by a lottery spokesman."

And it sure looks like the spokesman relayed by memory and mixed up some of the details. A spokesman simply saying a homeless man bought the $1 winning ticket, worth $4.82 million, at the B&D Mini Mart at 32 West Munger Road in Munger and chose to remain anonymous sure is a boring story. 

Stack47

That would be Master Sergeant Farrell from Science Hill, Kentucky population 696 695.

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

"don't you find it strange they didn't quote him talking about retrieving the winning ticket from dumpster but quoted him diving in for his play slip? "

I'd say that using a quote where he talks about throwing the play slip away and retrieving it from a dumpster but not using a quote about throwing the ticket away is exactly why reasoned thinking should tell you that it was the play slip that he threw away, not the ticket.

"don't you find it strange that someone that wants to remain anonymous sat down and gave an interview?"

You recognize that despite being able to remain anonymous there's still a story about things that happened, right? Does that tell you anything? The possible conclusions I can think of are that he told a story to somebody or somebody just concocted a purely BS story. Do you think that concocting a BS story that quotes the guy as saying he threw the play slip in a dumpster but then says he threw the ticket away is the sensible alternative?

"Do you mean like when the article said on Oct. 11, the man was out for a walk when he checked the winning numbers. He said he was stunned when the six numbers matched?"

Again, assuming you understand how quotations marks work, you'd know that they're not quoting him about going for a walk. Any chance you've got a point that's relevant?

"it sure looks like the spokesman relayed by memory and mixed up some of the details."

Sure, somebody got part of the story wrong. It's even possible that the story is wildly wrong, but it's absolutely certain that the story says very clearly that the guy himself said he threw the play slip in the dumpster and it's absolutely certain that the story doesn't say that the guy said he threw the ticket away. The only rational conclusion is to accept that the guy threw the play slip in the dumpster or that the story is too unreliable to draw any conclusions except that somebody won the lottery.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 26, 2018

"don't you find it strange they didn't quote him talking about retrieving the winning ticket from dumpster but quoted him diving in for his play slip? "

I'd say that using a quote where he talks about throwing the play slip away and retrieving it from a dumpster but not using a quote about throwing the ticket away is exactly why reasoned thinking should tell you that it was the play slip that he threw away, not the ticket.

"don't you find it strange that someone that wants to remain anonymous sat down and gave an interview?"

You recognize that despite being able to remain anonymous there's still a story about things that happened, right? Does that tell you anything? The possible conclusions I can think of are that he told a story to somebody or somebody just concocted a purely BS story. Do you think that concocting a BS story that quotes the guy as saying he threw the play slip in a dumpster but then says he threw the ticket away is the sensible alternative?

"Do you mean like when the article said on Oct. 11, the man was out for a walk when he checked the winning numbers. He said he was stunned when the six numbers matched?"

Again, assuming you understand how quotations marks work, you'd know that they're not quoting him about going for a walk. Any chance you've got a point that's relevant?

"it sure looks like the spokesman relayed by memory and mixed up some of the details."

Sure, somebody got part of the story wrong. It's even possible that the story is wildly wrong, but it's absolutely certain that the story says very clearly that the guy himself said he threw the play slip in the dumpster and it's absolutely certain that the story doesn't say that the guy said he threw the ticket away. The only rational conclusion is to accept that the guy threw the play slip in the dumpster or that the story is too unreliable to draw any conclusions except that somebody won the lottery.

"Again, assuming you understand how quotations marks work"

Which part of whomever wrote this story didn't interview the homeless man and the quotes are what the lottery spokesman said?

"you'd know that they're not quoting him about going for a walk"

Who do you thing told the lottery spokesman he went out for a walk?

It's like a news conference when the press secretary says what the President said or done. Are the reporters quoting her or the President?

We're getting the story third hand, because somebody from the lottery interview the homeless man, WSMH Fox 66 or another TV Station interviewed the lottery spokesman, and somebody here relayed the story quotes and all. There are at least a dozen news sites with the same story with the same quotes and mistakes on the first search page. Most of the sites quote WSMH as the source.

You'll have to ask the people at WSMH why they choose to quote some things the lottery spokesman said the man told them and not others.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Nov 25, 2018

That would be Master Sergeant Farrell from Science Hill, Kentucky population 696 695.

l take it that you resided in Science Hill at one time Stack. I wonder if any movies were shot there?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 27, 2018

l take it that you resided in Science Hill at one time Stack. I wonder if any movies were shot there?

I live in the Bluegrass, but pass by Science Hill when I go to Somerset for their classic car cruises. Raintree County was filmed in Danville and parts of several other movies were filmed in KY including Goldfinger, Stripes, and Coal Miners Daughter. When Cage (Tom Cruise) said Sgt. Farell was from Science Hill, Kentucky in Edge of Tomorrow, I knew I drove by there several times.

Apparently Madeline Ciak of WSMH TV wrote the story probably after interviewing a lottery spokesman and she was quoting the spokesman not the real winner. But don't tell KY, he thinks Madeline interviewed the homeless guy.

sweetie7398's avatarsweetie7398

Wow a good findDance

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