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Powerball winner-turned lawmaker opposes anonymity for lottery prizewinners

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Posted: April 11, 2019, 2:01 pm - IP Logged

Todd,

Just my $.02 here.

The population of Bondurant, IA is 3880.

Having grown up in Bayonne and now living in rural Illinois if there's one thing I see everyday it's that small town Midwestern people are just nosier and tend to be gossips, both males and females.

(I also live in Monterey, California....best 'summer weather in the world!)

Bayonne:

Someone says, "Gee I haven't seen Tony for a while" and someone else elbows him and says, " Shut yp about Tony, maybe he went to the mattresses, maybe he's doing time..whatever, not your business."

Small Midwestern Town

"Gee, I haven't seen Tony for awhile. I wonder where he is or what he's doing, I'm going to call some mutual friends and ask them and if they don't know I'll call Tony." yada yada yada adnauseam.

Even better

Someone says, "I wonder what Bill has been up to". So (especially in a bar or restaurant) "Oh, don't you know. He got on the police force and now he's working undercover."

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As a side note, a few years ago someone hit the Little Lotto jackpot (now it's Lucky Day Lotto) in a very small town near here. The town has a post office, a bank, 2 gas station /convenience stores and a restaurant.

The winner was someone just passing through but yet people around here drove themselves crazy for months trying to figure out who won it. Nothing like walking into a place to buy a lottery ticket and have a bunch of Bubba's in Carhart's and Cat hats asking total strangers"Did you win the jackpot?" - Even though the people working in the store kept telling them, "We never saw him again and we know all our players."

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    I don't agree with Lohse's reason for wanting big winners' names made public:

    "It certainly holds us accountable to the public to do good things with it."

    Lottery winners are not accountable to the public.  If they want to blow their money on McMansions, cars, and strippers, that is their prerogative and nobody who wins the lottery is obligated to spend it charitably.  There are plenty of good arguments for requiring winners' names to be made public, but this is not one of them.

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      Posted: April 11, 2019, 2:54 pm - IP Logged

      I don't agree with Lohse's reason for wanting big winners' names made public:

      "It certainly holds us accountable to the public to do good things with it."

      Lottery winners are not accountable to the public.  If they want to blow their money on McMansions, cars, and strippers, that is their prerogative and nobody who wins the lottery is obligated to spend it charitably.  There are plenty of good arguments for requiring winners' names to be made public, but this is not one of them.

      I don't think he means that winners are accountable to the public — he is saying that the lottery itself is accountable.  The entire reason for making lottery winners' names public is so that the public can be confident that actual members of the public are winning and big prizes are not being funneled to insiders.

       

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        Posted: April 11, 2019, 2:55 pm - IP Logged

        l have no problem admitting l am wrong, but l was stressing population. 

        Right, and I'm saying that it is easier to hide in plain sight when you have millions of people surrounding you (like in a big city).  It is much harder to hide when you live in a town of 5,000.

         

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          I don't think he means that winners are accountable to the public — he is saying that the lottery itself is accountable.  The entire reason for making lottery winners' names public is so that the public can be confident that actual members of the public are winning and big prizes are not being funneled to insiders.

          That is a more reasonable statement for him to make, but when I watched his interview it seemed he was meaning the other thing when he was talking about the impact of publicity.

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            Posted: April 11, 2019, 3:02 pm - IP Logged

            That is a more reasonable statement for him to make, but when I watched his interview it seemed he was meaning the other thing when he was talking about the impact of publicity.

            Agreed, he was not very clear on that point, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.

             

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              Posted: April 11, 2019, 3:29 pm - IP Logged

              l did a little research in Lohse, turns out when he won the PB jackpot in 2012, he and the wife had no problem telling the press where they worked,including their occupations. So it would seems that since Lohse exposed he’s identity to the general public, every winner should follow suit- well thanks Lohse, that’s great.

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                Michigan has been an anonymous state since 1989!  In the 30 years since Michigan allowed anonymity there have been no major issues that have come to light.  If there was something major that is bad about allowing anonymous claims it certainly would have shown up during the 30 years it has been allowed here and you would have read many stories on LP. Anonymity has worked so well here that most people in other states didn't/don't realize that Michigan has been anonymous for 30 years!

                Before 1989, in Michigan, there was no state income tax on lottery prizes.  In 1989, when Michigan started taxing lottery prizes, they allowed anonymous claims on prizes of $10,000 and over.

                Michigan did not extend anonymity to the Multi-States when they came along.  I believe that this is inconsistent since all prizes except the Jackpot are paid just by Michigan.  Other states allow anonymity on the Multi-States and I have not read any stories on LP about any major problems with allowing the anonymous claims.

                You can argue transparency but show me where there have been problems by not releasing the winner names.

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                  Posted: April 11, 2019, 3:36 pm - IP Logged

                  Michigan has been an anonymous state since 1989!  In the 30 years since Michigan allowed anonymity there have been no major issues that have come to light.  If there was something major that is bad about allowing anonymous claims it certainly would have shown up during the 30 years it has been allowed here and you would have read many stories on LP. Anonymity has worked so well here that most people in other states didn't/don't realize that Michigan has been anonymous for 30 years!

                  Before 1989, in Michigan, there was no state income tax on lottery prizes.  In 1989, when Michigan started taxing lottery prizes, they allowed anonymous claims on prizes of $10,000 and over.

                  Michigan did not extend anonymity to the Multi-States when they came along.  I believe that this is inconsistent since all prizes except the Jackpot are paid just by Michigan.  Other states allow anonymity on the Multi-States and I have not read any stories on LP about any major problems with allowing the anonymous claims.

                  You can argue transparency but show me where there have been problems by not releasing the winner names.

                  Playing devil's advocate here:  How do you know that there have been no issues?  Because the winners are anonymous, do you have any way of knowing that the prizes were not awarded to insiders?

                  I'm not trying to take one side or another, but I do think that both sides have valid points.

                   

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                    Each State is different. I understand State Representative Brian Lohse's position. Iowa's history with the largest lottery scam. Eddie Tipton is in prison. 

                     Rep. Lohse's comments about still being hit up for donations and gifts is revealing. Even seven years after their win. 

                     I will find a third party to say, "NO" to the beggars kindly. 😎

                    Interesting post.

                    In one hand they have Tipton who is a poster boy for transparency and in the other they have a jackpot winner from 7 years ago that is still being "hit up for donations". MM and PB winning jackpots are few and far between and with 44 jurisdictions, some haven't had a winner, if any in years so we can't really blame they for wanting a jackpot winners story.

                    If it comes down to a compromise and if I had a vote, it would be for very limited transparency only giving the name of the store and the city.

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                      Posted: April 11, 2019, 3:51 pm - IP Logged

                      Todd,

                      Just my $.02 here.

                      The population of Bondurant, IA is 3880.

                      Having grown up in Bayonne and now living in rural Illinois if there's one thing I see everyday it's that small town Midwestern people are just nosier and tend to be gossips, both males and females.

                      (I also live in Monterey, California....best 'summer weather in the world!)

                      Bayonne:

                      Someone says, "Gee I haven't seen Tony for a while" and someone else elbows him and says, " Shut yp about Tony, maybe he went to the mattresses, maybe he's doing time..whatever, not your business."

                      Small Midwestern Town

                      "Gee, I haven't seen Tony for awhile. I wonder where he is or what he's doing, I'm going to call some mutual friends and ask them and if they don't know I'll call Tony." yada yada yada adnauseam.

                      Even better

                      Someone says, "I wonder what Bill has been up to". So (especially in a bar or restaurant) "Oh, don't you know. He got on the police force and now he's working undercover."

                      /////////////////////////////////

                      As a side note, a few years ago someone hit the Little Lotto jackpot (now it's Lucky Day Lotto) in a very small town near here. The town has a post office, a bank, 2 gas station /convenience stores and a restaurant.

                      The winner was someone just passing through but yet people around here drove themselves crazy for months trying to figure out who won it. Nothing like walking into a place to buy a lottery ticket and have a bunch of Bubba's in Carhart's and Cat hats asking total strangers"Did you win the jackpot?" - Even though the people working in the store kept telling them, "We never saw him again and we know all our players."

                      I agree, which is why I bristled when another member said that staying anonymous was only an issue in big cities like LA and San Francisco.  (Meaning that it didn't affect this Powerball winner from Iowa, so that's why he is advocating transparency.)  I have said that in fact it is much easier to hide in a big city.  This Powerball winner is from the type of situation that is hardest to deal with publicly.  So whether you agree with him or not, you can't call this guy a hypocrite or accuse him of making life harder for other people while making it easier on himself.  He's walking the walk.

                       

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                        Playing devil's advocate here:  How do you know that there have been no issues?  Because the winners are anonymous, do you have any way of knowing that the prizes were not awarded to insiders?

                        I'm not trying to take one side or another, but I do think that both sides have valid points.

                        You must be tired!  I did NOT say that there were no major problems.  I said I have not heard of any and I believe I would have because there have been 30 years for any to come to light.

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                          Each State is different. I understand State Representative Brian Lohse's position. Iowa's history with the largest lottery scam. Eddie Tipton is in prison. 

                           Rep. Lohse's comments about still being hit up for donations and gifts is revealing. Even seven years after their win. 

                           I will find a third party to say, "NO" to the beggars kindly. 😎

                          Just goes to show that Lohse doesn’t think clearly. He had the chance to tell the press nothing about himself when he won the PB back in 2012- but no, he told them he was an attorney, the firm he worked for. The wife followed in his footsteps by saying she worked for a medical facility, her job description and now he says he is “still being hit up” for money years later? I wonder why that is?

                          Perhaps to tell other jackpot winners “ please experience my ongoing pain.”

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                            I don't think he means that winners are accountable to the public — he is saying that the lottery itself is accountable.  The entire reason for making lottery winners' names public is so that the public can be confident that actual members of the public are winning and big prizes are not being funneled to insiders.

                            No. I think.

                            .""It certainly holds us accountable to the public to do good things with it. And having that notoriety does that but it's fading and it fades quickly. So, I don't have a problem with it,"

                             

                            pretty clearly indicates he is talking about winners

                            Who is being expected to "do good things with it"? -- and what is "it". I assume it is a large win.. which would point to the winners being expected to do good things...

                             see "notoriety".. and how it "fades".. that's not something I would expect to say about a "lottery".. lotteries having winners don't become notorious.. having fraudulent actors.. that gives them notoriety. Winners, however, get notoriety by winning large sums...

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                              No. I think.

                              .""It certainly holds us accountable to the public to do good things with it. And having that notoriety does that but it's fading and it fades quickly. So, I don't have a problem with it,"

                               

                              pretty clearly indicates he is talking about winners

                              Who is being expected to "do good things with it"? -- and what is "it". I assume it is a large win.. which would point to the winners being expected to do good things...

                               see "notoriety".. and how it "fades".. that's not something I would expect to say about a "lottery".. lotteries having winners don't become notorious.. having fraudulent actors.. that gives them notoriety. Winners, however, get notoriety by winning large sums...

                              OK, that's possible.  Too bad he wasn't clearer about it.

                               

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