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Posted: December 7, 2004, 5:37 pm - IP Logged

 

      In April 1997 there was an article in "Lotto World" about Trending as a filter for

    predicting lotto numbers. I was unable to understand how to use it, so I searched

    LP for any reference but found none. Is anybody familiar with this concept and if so,

    please tell us where one might learn more about it.

    Bertil

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    Bertil,

    I'm certainly no expert on trending or filters, but I've read a little about this concept. Most applications that I've seen separate a pool of numbers into groups. Those groups are then cross-referenced with temporal draw ranges. I suppose the groups and ranges can be arbitrarily set by the person employing such a method, or they might be built into the software which incorporates them. For that matter, every number in a pool could be analyzed individually rather than as a part of a group.

    At any rate, the actual occurrence of any given number or group is compared to the expected average occurrence in each draw range. As the percentage of occurrence of a number or group of numbers changes from one draw range to the next, it is said to be "trending." The percentage of change from one draw range to the next is presumably indicative of the likelihood that a number or group of numbers will occur in future drawings. Larger and more successive gains would indicate strength whereas smaller, sporadic or negative changes would indicate decreased likelihood.

    This all seems like a bit much to do manually from draw to draw, but I suppose it could be done. If you're interested in giving it a try, you might shop around for some software that incorporates this type of filter. I have no idea what software that might be, but you might ask some of the other members. From what I read about filters in the posts, BobP, RJOh and WinD all seem to be fairly well versed on the subject. Maybe one of them can shed a bit more light on this subject. By no means should you take my rather vague understanding of this subject as gospel. I'd certainly like to hear from some more knowledgeable people on this subject.

    Thanks for raising a very good topic. I hope it will draw some thoughtful responses.

    Good luck,

    aye'

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      Bertil,

      The first time I read the words trend and filter use together was at Lottery Post  http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/100205 by Dream Lotto. He may have posted something else where.

      I look for patterns and set parameters that limit my choice of numbers and their mix to the most common patterns which is kind of like using filters and following trends, but since I'm not winning anything, I just consider it another way to pick numbers.

      RJOh

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        Hi Bertil

        According to the article, you would use a 26 week chart of numbers that have hit.Each week is numbered and the week numbers that have hit are added up to creat an index. As an example the number 2 hit in week-1-5-8-17-18  added up =  49, so the index number is 49. The Higher the index the better the number to use.It also states not to use this by itself. You could use this in the finale elimination of numbers or if you have 2 numbers you like but only want to play one of them. The one with the higher index would be it. Hope this helps you out.

        Libra Dave   

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          Posted: December 8, 2004, 12:25 am - IP Logged

          Been discussed on site a few times, has to do with historical information. I believe there are four types of trending, each with their proponents and detractors.

          Hot/hot trending - a number has appeared in the past more often than odds would indicate,  and will continue to do so.

          Hot/cold trending - a number has appeared in the past more often than odds would indicate, and will not do so in the future.

          Cold/hot trending - a number has appeared fewer times in the past than odds would indicate, and is due to appear more often in the future.

          Cold/cold trending - a number has appeared fewer times in the past than odds would indicate, and will continue to do so.

          The length of time taken into consideration for data inclusion varies with the person doing the trending. You still pays your money and makes your choices.

          gl

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            Articles like this make me think of nailing a 4x8 white sheet of Melamine to the wall with pin striping for grid lines so I have a chart of the trending numbers big enough to really work with.

            Trending is like Skip and Hit, but more like Leap Frogging.  You study the chart for a feel of what's coming next based on what's been before. 

            Remember random is like a drunken walk and we're trying to predict the next step.  The perameters are established by say the curbs or the size of the game, and we know the guy hangs on every lamp post, so we can sort of plot the trend of where he's going.

            The chart is just game numbers 01-49 down the left side and draw dates across the top, six X's per draw indicate the hits.  Sometimes making a chart like this gives the mind perspective, for others it's just marks on a page.

            We see a number hitting bing, bing, bing, we bet where the forth bing should hit.  Some games you only get two bings to guess the third.

            Some people can study the numbers on a grid like this and get a feel for what's coming next.  It can't be done by stats or the Gail Howard Skip and Hit chart Smart Picks would hold all the answers.  BobP

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              Quote: Originally posted by libra on December 8, 2004



              Hi Bertil

              According to the article, you would use a 26 week chart of numbers that have hit.Each week is numbered and the week numbers that have hit are added up to creat an index. As an example the number 2 hit in week-1-5-8-17-18  added up =  49, so the index number is 49. The Higher the index the better the number to use.It also states not to use this by itself. You could use this in the finale elimination of numbers or if you have 2 numbers you like but only want to play one of them. The one with the higher index would be it. Hope this helps you out.

              Libra Dave   





                        Hi Libra,

                        Thank you for a perfect explanation. It is so simple I'm ashamed not figuring it out

                        myself. The system raises a few questions. Did you or anybody perform any stat

                        test to see if it works? Also, might a different time period than 26 yield better

                      results? The system does yield a true quantitative value for hot and cold

                        numbers.

                        Bertil

                     

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                Quote: Originally posted by libra on December 8, 2004



                Hi Bertil

                According to the article, you would use a 26 week chart of numbers that have hit.Each week is numbered and the week numbers that have hit are added up to creat an index. As an example the number 2 hit in week-1-5-8-17-18  added up =  49, so the index number is 49. The Higher the index the better the number to use.It also states not to use this by itself. You could use this in the finale elimination of numbers or if you have 2 numbers you like but only want to play one of them. The one with the higher index would be it. Hope this helps you out.

                Libra Dave   





                sry,  crazy system like this just doesnt work with lottery.

                "The Higher the index the better the number to use"

                Yea right... do you believe in santa claus as well?

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                  Posted: December 8, 2004, 11:55 pm - IP Logged

                  Hi Bertil

                  Yes I did the Ohio 6/49 just to see how well this works. 23 - 25 - 29 - 38 - 44 - 49  BB 36 are what came in.The index had them rated like this.

                  23 - 47  about 12 lower then midpoint.

                  25  - 3  second lowest on the chart.

                  29 - 127  top index number on the chart.

                  38 - 58  Near midpoint on the chart.

                  44 - 90 second highest on the chart.

                  49 - 57  near midpoint of the chart.

                  I did not include the bonus ball in the chart.

                  I don't think it would hurt to include this chart in your workout.

                  Libra Dave