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Posted: December 18, 2004, 7:53 pm - IP Logged

 This seems a little .......too ....toooooo    whatayathink?

 http://www.satoripublishing.com/LS/

  They sell other data mine type software and Lottery data base as well.

  http://www.usdatamines.com/lotteries.html

 

 

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    Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on December 18, 2004

     This seems a little .......too ....toooooo     whatayathink?

     http://www.satoripublishing.com/LS/

      They sell other data mine type software and Lottery data base as well.

      http://www.usdatamines.com/lotteries.html








    Lottery Sorcerer looks really interesting at a price of $ 35 bucks..

    It uses neural networks which is cool - .

    I'm going to download the trial version and test it for 12 draws,

    and perhaps use a 12 or 15 number system on Viking Lotto 6/48

    (if the program is flexible enough to use on that lottery).
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      Never tried it, but it looks like real lottery software for a reasonable price.

      I think you need to work with lottery software that fits your way of thinking about the lottery.  Try the demo and see if the two of you get along.  Also try the demo of this one along the same lines . . .

      http://www.geocities.com/ixcel.geo/ldm_info.htm

      BobP

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        Quote: Originally posted by BobP on December 19, 2004

        Never tried it, but it looks like real lottery software for a reasonable price.



        I think you need to work with lottery software that fits your way of thinking about the lottery.  Try the demo and see if the two of you get along.  Also try the demo of this one along the same lines . . .



        http://www.geocities.com/ixcel.geo/ldm_info.htm



        BobP






        I need som information on how the bonus balls are being picked in the rest of the world.

        On Viking Lotto the bonus balls are being picked after all the ordinary 6 balls has been drawn.

        The bonus balls are then drawn from the same bowl as the first 6 balls. Get it?

        This makes it impossible for the first 6 numbers to be drawn as bonus balls.

        I have the impression some lotteries are drawing their bonus balls from a separate bowl.



        What's the difference: Bonusballs, powerballs, cashballs, hotballs?



        I confess I'm not well informed on how lotteries outside Scandinavia draws their winning numbers.

        I need this information before I start to test LottoSorcerer.

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          Quote: Originally posted by MillionsWanted on December 19, 2004



          What's the difference: Bonusballs, powerballs, cashballs, hotballs?



          I confess I'm not well informed on how lotteries outside Scandinavia draws their winning numbers.

          I need this information before I start to test LottoSorcerer.








          Well, two types exist actually, bonusballs and powerballs.

          Bonus balls are drawn from the same container as the main balls did. Therefore, we cannot have bonusballs that match any of the main balls numbers.

          Powerballs drawn from a different container and thus we can have numbers that match the main balls.

          The other names are just another way to say the same thing. The most used terms are bonsballs and powerballs.

          If you have something to do, at least do it well...

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            Quote: Originally posted by apagogeas on December 19, 2004

            Well, two types exist actually, bonusballs and powerballs.

            Bonus balls are drawn from the same container as the main balls did. Therefore, we cannot have bonusballs that match any of the main balls numbers.

            Powerballs drawn from a different container and thus we can have numbers that match the main balls.

            The other names are just another way to say the same thing. The most used terms are bonsballs and powerballs.






            Container that's the word I was looking for. In lack of a better word I used the word "bowl" .



            Thanks. That's exactly the information I need.

            I will start the test of Lotto Sorcerer after New Years Eve.



            Now I'm off to christmas holiday visiting my parents.

            Merry Christmas to everyone on the forum.
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              Posted: December 19, 2004, 5:53 pm - IP Logged

              Lottery Socerer for the 3 digit gives 2 digits consistently.............

              Sandy

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                Quote: Originally posted by MillionsWanted on December 19, 2004




                Thanks. That's exactly the information I need.
                I will start the test of Lotto Sorcerer after New Years Eve.

                Merry Christmas to everyone on the forum.





                Millions,

                The information you are seeking is at the websites of each lottery.

                OhioSuperLottoPlus is a 6/49 game that picks 7 balls from one group of 49 balls, the first six make up the combination and the sdventh ball is the bonus number.  The bonus number is only used with the match 3's to match 5's.

                PowerBall is a 5/53 plus 1/42 game.  Five balls are picked from a group of 53 ball plus one from a group of 42 ball. To win the jackpot, you must match all the winning numbers in both groups.

                MegaMillions is a 5/52 plus 1/52 game that works similar to PowerBall.

                I load the last 50+ draws of the those three games into Lotto Sorcerer and it could handle them all.  It claimed to use advanced statistical analysis and artificial intelligence algorithms to detect winning patterns, however if it does, it doesn't reveal them to the user.  It listed three groups of numbers, hot ,cold and neither and pick up to 25 lines to play using its hidden logic and with no other user input.  If you are satisfied just to enter pass drawings and have a program pick a list of combinations to play without knowing how or why it picked the numbers, then this program might be what you are looking for.  It's as simple and easy to use as a basic RNG.

                RJOh


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                  A bonus ball helps you win by providing an additional chance and comes from the same hopper.  A powerball's purpose is to make the game harder to win raising the odds against you and comes from a seperate hopper.

                  As for the software, I suppose I should add: There have been several lottery softwares that apply hundreds to thousands of "systems" against a draw history to supposedly find the best system(s) for you to play.

                  These systems are very simple one up one down kind of critters and you quickly learn what worked yesterday doesn't work tomorrow.  The difference between the one above and these is the neural network which will either help or do nothing.  If anyone tries it I'd be curious if the demo allows full testing with all systems plus the neural network.  BobP

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                    Maryland's bonus match 5 is done like BobP says and I don't use the bonus ball for tracking purposes or include it in my selections. Now this can be a problem for you if your worried that the bonus ball will somehow affect the next draw by showing up in the main 5 numbers for the next draw/draws. Since you cant really select the bonus ball and it only counts if you have 2/3/4 numbers and it helps get you some additional money. Many of the state lottery's that have games like this describe somewhere on their website how the bonus ball is used for prize payouts. Since the bonus ball is drawn from the same drum. I guess it wouldn't hurt to keep track of it if your counting numbers. And eliminating them for future plays.

                    For whatever reason which I cant explain a lot of times the same bonus ball will be drawn more than once during any given period. So sometimes it is best to leave it out of your main picks/selections for the next couple days. That is unless the bonus ball has a habit of showing in the main 5 picked numbers more often than not.

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                      Posted: December 20, 2004, 3:09 am - IP Logged
                      Quote: Originally posted by BobP on December 20, 2004


                      As for the software, I suppose I should add: There have been several lottery softwares that apply hundreds to thousands of "systems" against a draw history to supposedly find the best system(s) for you to play.

                      These systems are very simple one up one down kind of critters and you quickly learn what worked yesterday doesn't work tomorrow.  The difference between the one above and these is the neural network which will either help or do nothing.  If anyone tries it I'd be curious if the demo allows full testing with all systems plus the neural network.  BobP



                      I tested the program using all 271 drawings in my MegaMillions file. Since the trial version only let you import 50 lines at a time, I had to import the whole file in 6 different groups.  I printed out four groups of 25 lines it picked to play for the next drawing.(12/21/2004). These are those lines.

                      08-11-24-45-47 BB:21
                      07-10-13-19-51 BB:27
                      05-32-35-42-49 BB:52
                      07-25-32-38-50 BB:07
                      09-23-31-35-39 BB:52
                      03-13-24-28-46 BB:13
                      09-24-33-48-49 BB:19
                      02-17-25-30-41 BB:49
                      19-29-31-33-35 BB:13
                      21-28-33-43-49 BB:31
                      04-19-48-51-52 BB:33
                      05-08-23-42-49 BB:33
                      03-21-29-48-52 BB:19
                      07-12-32-39-48 BB:49
                      09-14-23-40-49 BB:01
                      19-24-39-40-43 BB:31
                      08-23-32-35-36 BB:21
                      21-31-35-39-43 BB:27
                      14-27-35-46-51 BB:27
                      29-33-40-44-51 BB:33
                      11-24-28-37-43 BB:10
                      03-05-17-29-38 BB:46
                      05-24-28-35-36 BB:36
                      13-16-29-33-47 BB:07
                      06-12-17-30-40 BB:34

                      11-21-24-40-50 BB:49
                      14-17-35-37-40 BB:21
                      10-11-25-32-34 BB:01
                      07-12-16-28-43 BB:36
                      10-11-38-43-50 BB:21
                      15-16-39-40-45 BB:34
                      01-06-11-32-49 BB:01
                      10-25-27-32-46 BB:31
                      23-24-33-36-39 BB:33
                      02-06-08-17-34 BB:49
                      04-27-36-50-51 BB:38
                      05-13-17-46-50 BB:34
                      09-10-14-40-48 BB:34
                      05-08-34-43-49 BB:07
                      06-15-29-35-52 BB:03
                      12-23-24-27-31 BB:38
                      18-24-25-45-50 BB:07
                      08-25-29-38-40 BB:33
                      13-23-30-46-52 BB:31
                      14-33-42-43-49 BB:07
                      07-18-24-31-40 BB:52
                      08-30-38-45-48 BB:38
                      01-13-23-26-51 BB:33
                      15-28-30-33-48 BB:07
                      11-19-24-25-32 BB:38

                      02-06-09-30-39 BB:38
                      07-22-28-35-49 BB:21
                      05-13-14-16-18 BB:33
                      04-27-28-31-44 BB:07
                      07-17-33-38-52 BB:21
                      04-09-10-29-43 BB:07
                      02-30-36-43-52 BB:38
                      10-13-22-25-32 BB:10
                      23-37-45-49-52 BB:38
                      04-16-36-43-51 BB:43
                      13-20-23-24-50 BB:33
                      06-08-16-18-23 BB:19
                      01-04-08-11-30 BB:43
                      06-07-12-30-51 BB:10
                      04-12-27-30-32 BB:13
                      17-35-42-43-49 BB:34
                      10-15-27-48-52 BB:52
                      03-08-20-25-52 BB:07
                      25-28-44-45-52 BB:49
                      19-32-33-45-49 BB:13
                      23-31-39-41-43 BB:19
                      01-08-27-32-35 BB:33
                      04-17-19-32-35 BB:46
                      05-16-33-34-49 BB:46
                      04-05-39-47-51 BB:03

                      05-35-39-46-49 BB:52
                      12-26-43-48-50 BB:27
                      13-14-28-47-48 BB:49
                      03-10-21-26-43 BB:07
                      13-20-26-28-35 BB:36
                      02-11-14-36-52 BB:21
                      07-08-27-29-34 BB:13
                      04-07-24-28-34 BB:43
                      05-12-14-27-32 BB:10
                      03-15-31-48-51 BB:07
                      01-13-28-45-49 BB:34
                      05-19-31-40-49 BB:34
                      03-08-09-45-49 BB:27
                      03-06-22-39-51 BB:19
                      32-33-43-46-50 BB:43
                      06-20-24-27-50 BB:49
                      14-17-25-36-48 BB:49
                      05-14-18-28-45 BB:46
                      05-06-14-18-29 BB:31
                      03-17-34-39-43 BB:27
                      06-15-24-27-32 BB:36
                      01-16-17-35-40 BB:10
                      06-12-26-32-45 BB:31
                      04-13-14-29-34 BB:49
                      11-16-24-40-42 BB:43

                      I compared each group of 25 lines and they seem to have be picked by a basic RNG rather than some artificial intelligence algorithms or network because each group is totally different and share no similarities.  I would have thought that all the groups would have been weighted toward a particular set of numbers.  I'll check the results after the next drawing.

                      RJOh

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                        Quote: Originally posted by BobP on December 20, 2004

                        As for the software, I suppose I should add: There have been several lottery softwares that apply hundreds to thousands of "systems" against a draw history to supposedly find the best system(s) for you to play.



                        These systems are very simple one up one down kind of critters and you quickly learn what worked yesterday doesn't work tomorrow.  The difference between the one above and these is the neural network which will either help or do nothing.  If anyone tries it I'd be curious if the demo allows full testing with all systems plus the neural network.  BobP






                        I'm going to test the software for several weeks(at least 9 weeks) and only play small systems(10-15 lines) to test it.

                        I will also deliver 10 lines with the recommended 6 numbers given by the software.

                        So I may win 10x5th price IF the software is good enough.

                        5th price on Viking Lotto is about 7 US dollars. But I will be surprised if I can earn more than I spend on playing using Lotto Sorcerer. Time will show.



                        I will post the statistics of the test in my blog on this forum after a few weeks.
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                          I downloaded the software  and took a look.  It runs different from the older versions which took a long time to make their selections, the new version picks instantly.

                          If anything was happening in the older version, I guess it wasn't winning hence the change.

                          The place to test is the box that tells you the numbers the line builder will be picking from.  There you have the numbers that are the same every time, the lines are random picks from among those numbers.

                          At best with 25 lines you can make a 2if6 wheel for all the numbers, odds of a 3# win are fair, after that anything you win is pure luck. 

                          The program seems to be a variant on Lotto Challenger and the older version of Win Lotto Pro.  Both used past history to sort the numbers into hats from which it picked numbers randomly and then wheeled. 

                          Keep moving, these aren't the droids you're looking for.  BobP

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                            Quote: Originally posted by BobP on December 20, 2004



                            ........There have been several lottery softwares that apply hundreds to thousands of "systems" against a draw history to supposedly find the best system(s) for you to play.

                            These systems are very simple one up one down kind of critters and you quickly learn what worked yesterday doesn't work tomorrow................  BobP





                            The objective should be to find a system or combinations of systems that have worked often enough in the past that it is reasonable to expect them to work again tomorrow.  They should be affordable and win more than the cost to play within a reasonable period of time.  Maybe no such systems exist, but anyone claiming to have discovered one gets lots of lottery players attention and in many cases some of their money too. 

                            IMHO, the better lottery programs make no such claims, they simply allow the player to record and analyze the draw history before picking numbers to play.  I can't imagine any one with such a system that haven't won a major jackpot more than once or selling it.

                            RJOh

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                              Tonight's winning numbers were 07-22-27-31-38 BB:12 and there were no winners in the group, no even a bonus number.  Using the trial program twelve times should give you an idea of what the program can do.

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