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System Sellers Exposed......Please Read

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Posted: March 13, 2005, 8:20 pm - IP Logged

Ladies and Gentlemen,

  I have just finished writing a 35 page document exposing the major (casino) system sellers on the internet.  I quote their claims and use evidence and proof from system buyers/testers to disprove and discredit their systems and their intentions.  I also cite specific examples when they were making false claims, misleading customers, and  how they try to weasel out of accusations made against them.  I am absolutely sick of these scammers taking money from people while promising big wins, fast cars, and a great lifestyle.  These systems should be used only for entertainment value as they all fail in the long term, and most even in the short-medium term, although most are touted as long term winners.

  I will take you from the worst scammer on the internet, down to sites that are interesting and perhaps even helpful, but still sell losing systems and should still be avoided.  Most of the systems I list are even EXPLAINED in the links of evidence that I provide.  So at the very least, you will get informatin about a certain system that you were curious about or even the bet selection and money management of it.

  I wanted to post it here, but it was much to large.  So instead of posting 50 times, and aggravating fellow posters, I thought I would ask that all interested in email me at: NeoTeo4d@yahoo.ca and I will send it as soon as possible.

  I believe this document to be the most comprehensive of its kind to be made thus far.  Perhaps it will inspire more of it's kind to be made and for people to think twice about buying gambling systems.  That is my biggest motivation, that perhaps I will save someone some money and some frustration.  So if you are interesting, email me. 

Thank you for your time.

Regards,

Teo

 

PS-->I aplogize for those that emailed me and PM'ed me about the Fairgame post I made.  I was temporarily off of the internet since last November.  But I promise to respond to every email I recieve.  Thanks.

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    Posted: March 15, 2005, 12:17 am - IP Logged

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    I know people are hesistant to write because of the risk of spam, viruses, etc.  So at least check out the link: 

    So here is my document, among a few other things.

    color=#006699http://www.freewebs.com/sellersexposed/index.htm

    Regards,

    Teo

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      Posted: March 15, 2005, 12:27 am - IP Logged

      Whoa - looks like you have spent a lot of time and energy researching this topic.  Other the the obvious satisfaction of exposing fraudsters, what is your motivation?

       

      Check the State Lottery Report Card
      What grade did your lottery earn?

       

      Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
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        My main motivation is just to save people money,while exposing the scammers on the internet.  I was just sick of how conniving these sellers are.  Making old rehashed systems based on the oldies like Martingale, D'Alambert, Cancellation, and Oscar's Grind, lying about how well it performs, and promising success and riches.  If the cancellation didn't work 100 years ago, why would it work today?

         You lottery people must have it also with the systems they sell to beat the lottery.  Don't you ever get sick of the claims, and the scams?  Like Steve Player.  I was on his website.  If he can win like that, why even sell?

         

        Regards,

         

        Teo   

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          Posted: March 15, 2005, 8:28 am - IP Logged

          Teo,

          It sounds like you have a deep background with systems, and you've been at this for a long time.  Are you an avid player?  If so, what do you like to play, and do you pick your own numbers?

           

          Check the State Lottery Report Card
          What grade did your lottery earn?

           

          Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
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            Posted: March 15, 2005, 3:40 pm - IP Logged

            Todd,

              I am assuming you are talkikng about the lottery.  I actually do not play anymore.  The odds are horrible now on Canada's Revised 6/49.  Sure the prizes are bigger, but it costs TWICE as much now for a ticket!  So unless the jackpots get really big, then the odds are even worse than when tickets used to be one dollar.  The Pick-3 interests me.  It might be possible to use a neural network, or data mining to gain an edge if you fed it enough information and the drawing was unbiased.

              I saw Steve Player mentioned on one of the roulette forums, and basically one of his systems was just betting a Power 3 martingale or some crap like that.

            Like bet 1 dollar, then 3, then 9, then 27 etc.  Just a huge progression that could lead you to total bankroll collapse, very quickly.

            I like to check out this website once in a while because it is very interesting and has many active participants.  It also has very interesting discussions and topics.

            The Law of the third does apply to roulette and also to the lottery.  The Law of the third is an approximate mean average of a gaussian distribution of the probability of the outcome over 37 spins for roulette.  So in 37 spins,  about 24 numbers will hit, and 13 will not.  Unfortunately no one has been able to take advantage of this, yet.  But since it can apply to roulette, it can apply to the lottery.

             

            Cheers,

            Teo 

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              Posted: March 15, 2005, 4:19 pm - IP Logged

              With lotteries, one doesn't have to actually play a system to test it.  The results of the drawings are the same regardless of who's buying tickets or the numbers of tickets sold.  The people playing or their systems don't affect the outcomes of lottery drawings.  Every one should test a big money system on paper before actually spending real money.  Players who don't have the patiences to test a system before using it are not thinking and probably have a gambling problem.  Thinking players never spend more than they can afford to lose.

              RJOh

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                Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on March 15, 2005

                With lotteries, one doesn't have to actually play a system to test it. The results of the drawings are the same regardless of who's buying tickets or the numbers of tickets sold. The people playing or their systems don't affect the outcomes of lottery drawings. Every one should test a big money system on paper before actually spending real money. Players who don't have the patiences to test a system before using it are not thinking and probably have a gambling problem. Thinking players never spend more than they can afford to lose.

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                  Posted: March 15, 2005, 5:29 pm - IP Logged

                  Rjoh,

                    I am not really sure what you are implying here.  If you mean that one has to play roulette to test a system, you are very wrong.

                  http://www.spielbank-hamburg.de/spielsaal/permanenzen.php4  Real Casino Spins from Germany.

                    With well over 1 million real spins there, you never need to test a system at the casino.  For baccarat you can get something like 72 Days at the Baccarat Table by Erick St. Germain.  It has about 40 000 decisions.

                    And the people playing their systems do not affect the outcome of roulette or baccarat either, especially baccarat. 

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                    All spins are connected.  If you take two spins from a casino in Spain, take five spins from a casino in Edmonton, Alberta, ten spins from a casino in Hamburg Germany,  and twenty spins from a casino in UK you will get approximately 13 numbers out of 37 that do not hit.

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                      Posted: March 15, 2005, 6:39 pm - IP Logged

                      Teo,

                      You mentioned Steve Player.  I think his systems are hogwash.  Curious as to what you think. 

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                        Sandy K,

                          Actually, I do not have any lotto systems.  I have many baccarat,roulette,craps, etc.  I should have been more clear.  Sorry.

                          I came across a posting about Steve Player so I emailed him.  Turns out he does not offer refunds and he was not very pleasant to deal with. 

                          When I look at the rubbish that is being sold for games like roulette, I shudder to think of the scams being sold for the lottery.  But when a game like european roulette, with la partrage or enprison has a house edge around -1.35%, has not been beaten yet, I do not know how the lotto can be.  I am NOT saying that it is IMpossible, but seems like a large task. 

                          Are there a lot of websites like Steve Players on the net?

                        Teo

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                          Quote: Originally posted by Teorulte on March 15, 2005


                            I am not really sure what you are implying here.  If you mean that one has to play roulette to test a system, you are very wrong.




                          Teorulte,

                          I was talking about lotteries, I don't play those rip-off Internet casino games.  You mentioned Steve Player systems and I thought you were talking about lottery systems which can be tested against drawing results without actually playing.

                          RJOh

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                            Teorulte -

                            Interesting information re probability on roulette - I'll have to delve into that when I get a little more time.

                            Incidentally, should you carry your power of 3 theory to the 37th level without previous success, the amount you would have to bet would be $450,283,905,890,997,363.....

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                              Okay, the power 3 thing was a Steve Player system, not a roulette system. 

                              The Martingale is dangerous enough at 1,2,4,8,16,32.  A power 3 would be 1,3,9,27,81,243 etc

                              Might be better off trying to modify an Oscar's Grind.  There are stories of a few craps players NEVER losing playing this system for 10-20 years.  Of course, the one loss will be huge, and it could potentially come on the first session.

                              Best thing to do is to bet all you are willing to lose on one hand, either Pass/Don't Pass Craps, or Banker in Baccarat.

                              Best chance for success.

                              Regards,

                              Teo