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Chief Bottle Washer
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Posted: May 11, 2005, 1:50 pm - IP Logged

First of all, I would like to thank the LP member who alerted me to the person who thought they would be clever, and tried to get around the word censor by putting asterisks between the letters of a web site name, to give free advertising to that web site.

The word censors are there for a reason.  If you don't like them, then don't let the door hit you on the way out.  There is a censor on certain bad curse words, and a 2-3 web site names that people couldn't resist posting to the forums.  Now, anyone feeling deprived because they can't mention a handful of words does not have to stay.

I am so sick and tired of this, this has got to be the 20th time I've had to revisit this non-issue.  Anyone trying to get cute and bypassing the word censor will get suspended without further warning.

 

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    Posted: May 11, 2005, 2:26 pm - IP Logged

    Todd,

    It's your site...you call the shots and we all gotta respect that.

    I'm personally against betting in that format because it does not benefit my state. It benefits off-shore online casinos. 

    Continued and extended use of these venues for betting will eventually eliminate state-based drawings because the revenue they depend on (for education, drawing and administrative expenses, etc.) is being slashed.

    Just my opinion...but think about it.

    I agree with Todd's controls 100%.  And if your state is considering going to computer RNG picks, it just might be that they are trying to save costs because their revenues are down due to third parties cutting into the slice of "our" pie.

    I buy my tickets in IL and only IL.  My losses might buy a computer in a grade school somewhere in IL.

    Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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      Posted: May 12, 2005, 12:39 am - IP Logged

      Todd is a stand up guy and if he feels certain content shouldn't be posted here that's his call.  I don't think any one person except maybe Todd should be able to post direct affiliate ad links here. It's like pasting ad posters on another store's windows.  I had to give up my guest book because spammers kept posting ads to it every day no matter how often I deleted them.



      As for where we choose to play a lottery ticket, I find it un-American we aren't allowed to play any lottery game we want provided it is a legal game

      approved by a legitimate government.



      Casinos have always taken bets on events.  Race tracks have learned how to take a TV feed from other tracks and take bets at theirs.  I see no valid reason a casino can't accept bets on the outcome of a lottery, especially if they exclude people from playing their own state game so that game doesn't lose players to the casino. 



      The lotteries need to learn how to survive in modern times in a free country where people are free to make choices no matter how the people who think it their job to tell us what to do feel about it.  Either we are a free people or we are fools who don't feel the boot on our necks. 



      If you are doing fine with your local game, stick with it.  If you see an oppertunity in another game out of state, I'd find any possible way to move my play to that game. 



      The point is to win lotto, not pay extra taxes.  BobP

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        Posted: May 12, 2005, 8:25 am - IP Logged

        The point is to win lotto, not pay extra taxes.  BobP

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          Posted: May 12, 2005, 11:37 am - IP Logged

          The word censors are there for a reason.  If you don't like them, then don't let the door hit you on the way out.  There is a censor on certain bad curse words, and a 2-3 web site names that people couldn't resist posting to the forums.  Now, anyone feeling deprived because they can't mention a handful of words does not have to stay.

          As to that, RULES are RULES and that is that !

          I'm personally against betting in that format because it does not benefit my state. It benefits off-shore online casinos

          As to this, it's your money and you are free or should be free to spend it or to give it to whoever you want to, if to state lotteries then fine, if to off-shore casinos then just fine too, if to both of them, that should be just fine too. It's your money, whoever gives you the best service give it to it or to them.

          Why do Americans buy so many Japanese cars ? If you are buying optics, would you buy German or American ? Why do so many Americans go to Canada and or to Mexico to buy their medications ?

          Is free enterprise unamerican ? Are we not a capitalist country ? Are trusts and monopolies O.K. or anticonstitutional ? If there is a demand for a service or product, somebody somewhere will provide it and whoever sells or gives the best service or value for your money will get the most business.

          That is why this site has so very many members and regulars, because it provides the very best service of them all and the membership and the guest's growth is just plain incredible, completely unheard of and unknown of anywhere else (On any other lotto or lottery forums).

          Very good job Todd.

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            Posted: May 13, 2005, 2:04 am - IP Logged

            Thanks Lantern.  Good analysis.

             

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              Posted: May 13, 2005, 4:44 pm - IP Logged

              Here's a bad word.



              Ann*uity.



              Of course, only if Cash Only controled the word censor, LOL


              Okay, now I believe you can predict lottery numbers

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                Posted: May 13, 2005, 6:23 pm - IP Logged

                I agree. Why make others rich, if they don't pay for ads? 

                Just to be sure, we cannot post anybody else's website on LP? I ask cos I have seen websites posted that were not hidden by asterisks or anything else, and that were up for a while. Thanx.

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                  I agree. Why make others rich, if they don't pay for ads? 

                  Just to be sure, we cannot post anybody else's website on LP? I ask cos I have seen websites posted that were not hidden by asterisks or anything else, and that were up for a while. Thanx.





                  Knowing which web sites to post/not to post is very easy for me to know, but difficult to describe.

                  The sites that I do not allow linking for are those types of web sites that sell their wares specifically to lottery players, or sometimes web sites that are in direct competition with LP.  Those types of links are very valuable -- the type certain companies would pay to post.

                  Sites that are OK are sites that are completely informational in nature, not looking to sell anything.

                  However, it is not OK at any time for any type of site if the owner of the site signs up with the specific intention of posting a link.  That is spam.

                   

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                    Posted: May 13, 2005, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

                    Ahh, I understand now Chief

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                      Posted: May 20, 2005, 2:09 pm - IP Logged

                      Talking about online casinos booking lottery bets and whether it's ethical or not reminded me Iowa uses Illinois' Pick-3 and Pick-4 draws so I wrote the Iowa lottery and asked what Illinois gets out of it. 



                      Robert,

                      Thanks for contacting us. We do not pay any fees for the Pick 3 and Pick 4

                      numbers. We have a working agreement with the Illinois Lottery.

                      Have a nice weekend.

                      -----Original Message-----

                      From: Robert

                      Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:56 PM

                      To: Web Master

                      Subject: Comment

                      The following person has submitted an electronic Web form about:

                      Name:Robert

                      Topic:Comment

                      Message:  I was wondering if the Iowa Lottery pays the Illinois Lottery

                      anything for the use of their Pick-3 and Pick-4 drawings?



                      I wrote back asking what exactly Illinois gets out of the "agreement"

                      and so far there has been no reply. BobP

                       



                       

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                        Posted: May 20, 2005, 2:32 pm - IP Logged

                        There working agreement is that they pay Illinois a certain percentage of there sales..

                        I was in Illinois when they went into there so called agreement...

                        If it weren't for Vtracs and STXS where would we be?

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                          Posted: May 20, 2005, 2:35 pm - IP Logged

                          Robert,

                          Once Illinois post their Pick3 and Pick4 results, they are a public record for anyone to use, why would anyone pay a fee to use them?  Once a combination of numbers are picked in a lottery, can they be considered intellectual property?  I saw a post the other day where one the game company filed a law suit trying to establish a game matrix as their intellectual property.

                          RJOh

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                            Posted: May 20, 2005, 2:49 pm - IP Logged

                            Obviously there is something of the kind in Illinois..

                            Actually what the real case is. Illinois bought into a peice of Iowas Lottery.. I believe it was going bankrupt..

                             

                            If it weren't for Vtracs and STXS where would we be?

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                              Posted: May 22, 2005, 1:42 am - IP Logged

                              Here is the second reply from the Iowa Lottery.  I guess when a lottery is as open and honest as this reply indicates they have nothing to hide.  BobP



                              Hello again, Robert. As we stated in an earlier e-mail to you, there is a working agreeement between the Iowa Lottery and the Illinois

                              Lottery for the Pick 3 and Pick 4 games. Lotteries around the country and throughout the world routinely share information as part of

                              a working community. For example, the Iowa Lottery through the years has reached working agreements to allow other lotteries to

                              use its game names, themes and artwork at no charge. The Iowa Lottery has also reached numerous working agreements to receive

                              game information from other lotteries under the same type of arrangement.

                              -----Original Message-----

                              From: Robert

                              Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:13 PM

                              To: Web Master

                              Subject: Re: Comment

                              I'm asking, because it came up in a discussion, the online

                              casinos were taking wagers on lottery games without having

                              paid for the infastructure. I was wondering what the Illinos

                              lottery gets out of the deal or if Iowa is acting like an

                              online casino taking wagers on the outcome of someone else's

                              game. What's the story? Thanks again. Robert