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computer states switching back to balls

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which state do you think will be first in switching back to balls from computers?

missouri [ 2 ]  [11.76%]
indiana [ 3 ]  [17.65%]
new mexico [ 1 ]  [5.88%]
wisconsin [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
other(please explain) [ 11 ]  [64.71%]
Total Valid Votes [ 17 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 4 ]  
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Posted: July 28, 2005, 11:41 pm - IP Logged

which state do you think will be first to switch back to balls from computers?

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    Posted: July 28, 2005, 11:51 pm - IP Logged

    i think missouri would be the first one to come back to its senses....

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      Poway CA (San Diego County)
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      Posted: July 29, 2005, 1:02 am - IP Logged

      I voted for none of the above.

       


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        Posted: July 29, 2005, 4:03 pm - IP Logged

        I really don't have to deal with computers where I live, except for NY Quick Draw.


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          Posted: July 30, 2005, 12:48 pm - IP Logged

          CT doesn't use computers-they don't have keno (except in the casinos).

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            Posted: July 30, 2005, 3:51 pm - IP Logged

            None of them. It's much cheaper for them to use computers than than ball drawings (especially if they televise the drawings)

            Since this is all about the money, and nothing else, I expect more and more states to go computerized.

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              Posted: July 31, 2005, 10:51 am - IP Logged

              None will switch back.

              Sandy

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                Posted: July 31, 2005, 10:51 am - IP Logged

                i hope something happens to prevent it....

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                  Posted: July 31, 2005, 10:54 am - IP Logged

                  None of them. It's much cheaper for them to use computers than than ball drawings (especially if they televise the drawings)

                  Since this is all about the money, and nothing else, I expect more and more states to go computerized.

                  Just look for the biases.  Balls and computer both have biases.  Here is some info on your state of Wisconsin which uses computers:

                  • Inspecting results for Wisconsin Daily Pick 3 since July 1, 2005
                  • Numbers Inspected: 30
                    Classification  Matches  Percent  Matching Numbers 
                  High/Low:
                   HHH620.0%976 787 675 869 887 965
                   HHL1343.3%495 388 465 652 266 629 849 527 947 916 581 848 949
                   HLL1033.3%900 253 624 090 901 624 542 151 510 435
                   LLL13.3%433
                  Even/Odd:
                   EEE413.3%266 624 624 848
                   EEO1033.3%388 900 465 652 090 629 849 869 887 542
                   EOO1550.0%495 976 787 675 433 253 901 527 947 965 916 581 510 435 949
                   OOO13.3%151


                   

                  I think I would be concentrating on playing Even sums since I play what is HOT!

                  Without doubles here are the Even sums:

                  279

                  594

                  916

                  947

                  925

                  783

                  158

                  389

                  750

                  574

                  693

                  561

                  367

                  563

                  178

                  358

                  725

                  918

                  509

                  761

                  790

                  194

                  192

                  174

                  271

                  273

                  392

                  091

                  813

                  105

                  390

                  514

                  530

                  170

                  435

                  136

                  521

                  532

                  307

                  473

                  394

                  Forty-one numbers.  May be too many to play, but I would look there first!  Two High digits is also hotter than two Low digits, so you might want to try playing numbers that are Even and have two High digits.  That would be:

                  279

                  594

                  916

                  947

                  925

                  783

                  158

                  389

                  750

                  574

                  693

                  561

                  367

                  563

                  178

                  358

                  725

                  918

                  509

                  761

                  790

                  Now only 21 tickets!

                  Good Luck.

                   

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                    Posted: July 31, 2005, 11:01 am - IP Logged

                    If any switch back, it will be Indiana first considering they have some local politicians that don't believe in the computerized drawings either. Also, with all the investigations that IN has gone through or is going through, I think they will be the first....if anyone does.....

                    It only takes one to flip flop to give the rest of us a chance...

                    Bryan  :)

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                      Posted: July 31, 2005, 11:21 am - IP Logged

                      I voted  'none' because I don't think any player or player group has the power to force a change.

                      If you work in a convenience store for a few weeks you will discover pretty quickly that most of the players don't care how the winning numbers are selected. They just want to know if they have a winning ticket.

                      Changing from balls to microchips requires extensive investment by lotteries. They are not likely to admit they made a mistake, if that is the case, and spend more money for expensive ball machines that they got rid of earlier.

                      Sorry, but computer drawings are here to stay, in my opinion, of course

                       

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                        Posted: July 31, 2005, 12:17 pm - IP Logged

                        I voted  'none' because I don't think any player or player group has the power to force a change.

                        If you work in a convenience store for a few weeks you will discover pretty quickly that most of the players don't care how the winning numbers are selected. They just want to know if they have a winning ticket.

                        Changing from balls to microchips requires extensive investment by lotteries. They are not likely to admit they made a mistake, if that is the case, and spend more money for expensive ball machines that they got rid of earlier.

                        Sorry, but computer drawings are here to stay, in my opinion, of course

                         

                        Yes, I agree. Not that I'm all that happy about it of course. I miss the televised drawings as well. (we don't televise anything here any  more in a cost-cutting move)

                        Nothing I can think of will get the lotteries to swtich back to balls, and they really look only at the amount they spend/make, it has nothing to do with them caring what the players want. If it did, they wouldn't have such lousy payoff odds.

                        Besides that, here at least, it seems like 95-98% of the players use quickpicks anyway. We can't lose sight of the fact that the people on LP are "unusual" in that they are willing, and even enjoy, trying to figure out what will fall next. We are willing to spend the time and work on doing this....but we are the few in the player population who will.

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                          Posted: July 31, 2005, 12:37 pm - IP Logged

                          I discarded my vote simply because I believe the switch to computers will occur prior to reverting back to a ball machine.

                          This line of conversation reminds me of a short story I read many years ago in a Sci-Fi magazine. It was about how an individual had figured out how to "fix" the balls in the machine as such to allow only the numbers he wanted to drop. The idea is ingenius. It was a simple matter of coating the balls with a chemical and then applying another chemical to the exit. The two chemicals commonly repelled each other just long enough to permit the uncoated balls to pass thru. And evaporated quickly enough to not be detected after the machine was tested the next day.

                          Of course, to help fuel the distrust of computerized systems, I do not know if anyone recalls the tv series "Early Edition" whereas the guy (aka the Hero) would receive tomorrow's paper today, allowing him the oppurtunity to change catastrophic events before they happened. In one show, it showed how a system was setup to pull only the combination that was NOT picked, allowing the game to roll-over because there was no winner. Then, after a set period of time, the funds would be returned to the State treasury if it was not won in a given time frame, allowing the system to start over. Of course, the Hero won (thanks to the preprinted numbers in the early edition newspaper), which he promptly deposited the winning ticket into a church till.

                          Then of course, there are multiple movies out there that show various ways to "con" the system (most of which I have not bothered to watch). To some extent, perhaps twist the public's opinion regarding one type of system or another.

                          In the end, my personal opinion is relatively simple. The security of a system, be it computerized or mechanical is only as good as it is maintained. A computer in an unguarded office, application of chemicals to the mechanical components, tampering will happen for a simple reason. No matter how much security one installs or maintains, there will forever be the fallacy of one simple trait that is inherently human and that is GREED. Condon or condemn as you please, I believe it is part of what makes each of us strong and it can also make us week.

                          Just a few of my twisted thoughts. For when all is said and done, I could probably be wrong.

                          Sir Metro

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                            Posted: July 31, 2005, 12:42 pm - IP Logged
                            Anything's possible however i doubt any will change back. The die hard lottery players would probably like to see the games switched. But the average/casual lottery player could care less. Since no one specific group of people as a whole would lobby for a change of venue then nothing will be done to force changing.
                            In order for any of these states to switch back to ball drawings or implement ball drawings x amount of people would have to get involved in some petition process. But most people aren't willing or encouraged enough to be bothered with the process. As evident by the amount of people whom have signed the petition on this site.
                            And from the sound of things state representatives also could care less what the people want. If people aren't willing to stand before the lottery commission sign petitions etc. etc. then nothing will be done to change the games back. And there aren't enough die hard lottery players to make a difference. You have to get the overall majority of the people to get involved in any process that would facilitate making changes. Good luck trying to do that.  
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                              I don't think that any of these lotteries care about the players at all. They are far less responsive to players than even indian casino's or online games both of which are eating into their sales. WA state is just an example. First they stopped having the drawings broadcast even though putting the drawings on the web would have cost them very little then they switch to computer drawings. They must think their players are just stupid for not trusting them. If they cared about any sense of integrety they would have ball drawings for all games except keno and have the drawings broadcast. But these games are all run by state bureaucrats that just treat the job as a stepping stool to other jobs.