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The Lottery Post is a great place to share ideas and methods.  But... what would YOU do if YOU did it... discovered the "Holy Grail" of playing the lottery.  The method that would not only get you wins on a regular basis, but also win you the JACKPOT at least a couple times a year.  If you discovered that... would you share it here?

Pick 3 and Pick 4 games aren't an issue, because they pay the same no matter how many people win.  But for Pick 5 games and up, the amount you get depends upon how many people win at the same time.  Would you risk lowering your own winnings because you shared your method and other people using it are winning with you?

Just curious...

 


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    Gasoline-powered Turtle Neck Sweaters.....No seriously, working on a close-to Holy Grail type of a predictor using 10 million numbers. So far so good......will keep you posted.           Hurray!

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      Gasoline-powered Turtle Neck Sweaters.....No seriously, working on a close-to Holy Grail type of a predictor using 10 million numbers. So far so good......will keep you posted.           Hurray!

      I'm afraid I don't understand the point.  No lottery game has anywhere near that much history, so what are the 10 million numbers?  How do they relate to any lottery drawing?

      Curious minds want to know...

       

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        I am new to this site but from what I have observed there is a lot of help and sharing that takes place here especially through PM and emails.   
         
        With regard to your question about sharing plans and systems I find everyone has their own plans that they alone understand and from personal experience following someone elses system does not work very well as compared to something you have developed yourself and have tried and tested over time. 
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          I would milk the lotteries for what it's worth for at least 3 years first.

          Then I might come forward with the system. But if this discovery would make the prize level fall considerably I would hesitate and perhaps only share it with my family.

          Hypotetically speaking of course. 

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            Lottery companies know people are working on systems and methods. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a contigency plan in the event of a truly powerful prediction system coming to light. They would simply develop a means of drawing numbers to defeat it.

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              Lottery companies know people are working on systems and methods. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a contigency plan in the event of a truly powerful prediction system coming to light. They would simply develop a means of drawing numbers to defeat it.

              I Agree!  If I discovered said system and gained enough profits to satisfy me, I would then e-mail my system to different people over a period of time where as to not raise suspicion until we all have gotten what we need. Think that would work?

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                Lottery companies know people are working on systems and methods. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a contigency plan in the event of a truly powerful prediction system coming to light. They would simply develop a means of drawing numbers to defeat it.

                Once a lottery matrix and the group size to be picked is set, the numbers of possible outcomes and odds of predicting them can't be manipulated if the results are random.  When the lottery set the matrix, the group sizes and the prize payout amounts, they control all that is necessary to guarantee they make money regardless of the success of any prediction scheme in a totally random game.  If some one comes up with a way to win often, the lottery will first investigate to see if they have some kind of scheme to cheat. 

                RJOh

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Rjoh's right about what was said.

                  I say if you show up at lottery headquarters 3/4  times or more in a given period of time having won a pick 5 game top tier prize multiple times over that giving period. Someone there is going to ask you a few questions like how come you are able/were able to win so many times. Of course you don't have to voluntarily give out the information. But should you tell them you have a system that works. They might want to know what you are doing to win so many times. If you tell them you did this and that and they think it could be detrimental to there turning a profit from the players. You can bet your state will alter the way the game is set up, they might change the matrix or scrap out all the balls. That's what happened to Stgermain. After having won lil lotto three times he said he had a system. They didn't ask him any more questions about it. They just change the matrix and his system was worthless after that. He's been trying ever since to duplicate the winning combinations using a wheel he developed and can't crack the bank open any more. If you have a system do not tell the lottery people. Keep it to yourself. If they ask you how come you keep winning just say I'm lucky i guess. 

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                    Rjoh's right about what was said.

                    I say if you show up at lottery headquarters 3/4  times or more in a given period of time having won a pick 5 game top tier prize multiple times over that giving period. Someone there is going to ask you a few questions like how come you are able/were able to win so many times. Of course you don't have to voluntarily give out the information. But should you tell them you have a system that works. They might want to know what you are doing to win so many times. If you tell them you did this and that and they think it could be detrimental to there turning a profit from the players. You can bet your state will alter the way the game is set up, they might change the matrix or scrap out all the balls. That's what happened to Stgermain. After having won lil lotto three times he said he had a system. They didn't ask him any more questions about it. They just change the matrix and his system was worthless after that. He's been trying ever since to duplicate the winning combinations using a wheel he developed and can't crack the bank open any more. If you have a system do not tell the lottery people. Keep it to yourself. If they ask you how come you keep winning just say I'm lucky i guess. 

                    I would say i "saw the numbers in a dream many years ago"... whatever.

                     

                    Anyway, if any system found, i would make sure to hit it a few times and then i would put the info (software if possible) on the net, available for anyone who was truly looking for it.

                    No secrets, that's my opinion.

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                      Lottery companies know people are working on systems and methods. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a contigency plan in the event of a truly powerful prediction system coming to light. They would simply develop a means of drawing numbers to defeat it.

                      Once a lottery matrix and the group size to be picked is set, the numbers of possible outcomes and odds of predicting them can't be manipulated if the results are random.  When the lottery set the matrix, the group sizes and the prize payout amounts, they control all that is necessary to guarantee they make money regardless of the success of any prediction scheme in a totally random game.  If some one comes up with a way to win often, the lottery will first investigate to see if they have some kind of scheme to cheat. 

                      RJOh

                      I Agree!

                      "Money won is twice as sweet as money earned"


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                        10 million number update coming soon...please be patient.....tweaks need to be sorted....thanx...Very Very exciting I should say.....................It'll be worth the wait............The real lottery ......... only 5,000 numbers...... wait till 10,000,000. Simulated....lottery of 10,000,000 drawings. I didn't know I had friends who were so privvy to programming.

                        Maybe even back a hundred million....who knows?????

                        So far so good!!!!! Results are very interesting to say the least......more tests are required though!


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                          Very finely put Pinback. I know it's frustrating when a solution or an attempt of one is not readily found. I know it can be difficult at times....I've been there and done that....I can't wait till the person has the time to iron out the wrinkles.

                          This friend only has a limited time to configure my request. He has done a quite fantastic job, despite all the distractions. Thursday is the day which more progress will be implemented, just for the sake of timeliness.

                          To answer Pinback's question....I've asked a friend of mine to run a program of 10,000,000 simulated results in a given lottery with a random number generator at work.

                          The program is still in the debugging-mode. I hope that soon enough my buddy will come through and tell me that the program is really looking back at 10,000,000 situations...

                          The reason for the statement above is that according to him I got 12 three number sets, instead of maybe a hundred or more....There seems to be more de-bugging than I imagined.

                          The command given to the program is the following.....

                          Generate 10,000,000 numbers, randomly....

                          Look back and see what the results would be if considering the last ....two night's drawings....

                          What was initially found was a boxed number , matching the next day's results. Not Bad!!!

                          That is what I wanted the program to look for. The most likely set to arrive after so and so....

                          According to the builder of the program, Not quite confident...still in the works.....

                          Many filters can be applied.

                          Many variables left to fill in.....

                          The reason for doubt on my friend's behalf relies on th notion that the program , to which he made me aware of might not be really looking back at 10,000,000.

                          The reason I say this is because the person who wrote the program wasn't sure if it infact looked 10,000,000 back.

                          To reiterate.... more testing needed..

                           

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                            Thanks a lot Pac... now you have me interested!

                            Are the 10 million being generated once and saved as a database to be referenced over and over, or are the 10 million generated on the fly and just stored in memory each time the program is run?  In other words... if you use this program on a daily basis, is it always referencing the same 10 million number set or a completely different random 10 million number set each time?


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                              Thanks a lot Pac... now you have me interested!

                              Are the 10 million being generated once and saved as a database to be referenced over and over, or are the 10 million generated on the fly and just stored in memory each time the program is run?  In other words... if you use this program on a daily basis, is it always referencing the same 10 million number set or a completely different random 10 million number set each time?

                              Very good question Pinback. This is the crux of what I should have emphasized earlier.

                              According to my friend he seems to talk about the seed to which generates or initiates the sequence.

                              I told him that it really doesn't matter what the seed is as long as the template remains the same. His point was that the seed would make a difference in the outcome , as far as predictions go. I in turn told him that after ten million results it doesn't matter. The sequence has gone full circle so many times that it defies short term patterns, and long term ones. It becomes a mish-mash. A seed is where the programmer decides to use the time as the seed to start the random sequence or some other factor. Time is the most commonly used.

                              I requested that he keep the same seed as the initiator. I also requested that the same 10,000,000 numbers were to be analyzed, and never to be re-run. I want the same set over and over again. The reason for this is quite simple. If I were to randomly generate a new set of numbers every time, I couldn't grasp any clues, or trends, or patterns, because I would be constantly chasing my tail.  A newly set of 10,000,000 numbers every time, would leave me scratching my head. Starting off on a new trail every time would be exhausting.

                              So far, to me, it seems that the program is not looking back the 10,000,000 times. That is a factor that has to be resolved.  maybe only ten thousand or so. will keep you posted.