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Posted: September 13, 2005, 3:58 pm - IP Logged

I am glad that they pass that legislation that would make it impossible to do again i wish all state did the same..

It would be interesting to know exactly what the legislation forbids, and where it's forbidden.  I've wondered idly in the past what's considered 'cheating' on lotteries.  Maybe that's it, but if so, what about full wheels, etc.  At what point would it cross over the fence into the free fire zone and nail a person as a 'cheater' when it came time to cash in the tickets?

Any ideas?

Jack

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    Posted: September 13, 2005, 6:03 pm - IP Logged

    Jack i think that what forbiding is the playing of large amount of combinations like for example 3 million combinations....In my opinion that's what they need to forbid...

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      Posted: September 13, 2005, 7:07 pm - IP Logged

      Some states have rules against using tickets not filled out by hand, but I don't know if they would enforce it once you won.  It would be like letting an underage person lose his money playing the lottery and then refusing to pay because of his age if he won.  There was a court case featured on 60 minutes in which a casino in Vegas did just that a couple of years ago.

      The laws not allowing any person or group to have exclusive use of a lottery terminal is probably easy to enforce as long as the store is opened to the public.

      Other than those rules, I would think States wouldn't mind you spending all the money you can spare playing lottery systems because if they thought a system could beat their game they would get rid of it.  In Ohio stores aren't suppose to sell lottery tickets on credit, but last year a bar in Cleveland did that and when the guy went bankrupted the bar had a problem, not the state.

      Those are the only rules I've ever read that applies to the players.

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        Posted: September 13, 2005, 7:09 pm - IP Logged

        Hi Michael.  I appreciate your expressing that you think that.  However, having thought it, would you mind confiding where you came by the information? 

        I doubt I'll ever be in a position to do anything of this ilk, but if I could do so, or even wanted to think of doing so, I'd sort of like to have an actual idea about what's forbidden, where it's forbidden, and where the line is crossed between legality and illegality in actual regulations or statutes.

        Somewhere evidently the line in the sand is drawn pertaining to buying large sets of numbers for a given draw.  Maybe a percentage of the numbers, maybe a specific number of tickets limited to each individual per draw.

        I think you're probably right, but my thinking it doesn't help much because going by gut feel doesn't have much to do with what's actually in the law.

        Jack

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          Posted: September 13, 2005, 7:12 pm - IP Logged

          Some states have rules against using tickets not filled out by hand, but I don't know if they would enforce it once you won.  It would be like letting an underage person lose his money playing the lottery and then refusing to pay if he won.  There was a court case featured on 60 minutes in which a casino in Vegas did just that a couple of years ago.

          The laws not allowing any person or group to have exclusive use of a lottery terminal is probably easy to enforce as long as the store is opened to the public.

          Other than those rules, I would think States wouldn't mind you spending all the money you can spare playing lottery systems because if they thought a system could beat their game they would get rid of it.  In Ohio stores aren't suppose to sell lottery tickets on credit, but last year a bar in Cleveland did that and when the guy went bankrupted the bar had a problem, not the state.

          Thanks RJOH.  If I'm reading you correctly, the rules or laws are against anyone having exclusive use of lottery sales machines, then, as opposed to some number of tickets bought for a draw?

          Thanks,

          Jack

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            Posted: September 13, 2005, 7:40 pm - IP Logged

            someone calculated how many terminals and people would be needed and time to fill out and purchase enough tickets to win.

            then you have to find the winning ticket plus all the smaller prize tickets and collect on them,

            this task appears to me to be way beyond fun.

            plus all the legal stuff to make sure all your partners are reliable.

            way not worth it for me even for $55,000

            the odds do not mean much to those who win the jackpot

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              Posted: September 13, 2005, 7:48 pm - IP Logged

              and then what happens if more than one group and or persons win? it might be

              i understand some years ago a man purchased 10 winning tickets by mistake

              and also in another lottery some, one person purchased multiple winning tickets

              so you can imagine how the partners would feel in that scenario

               

              good luck to all

              the odds do not mean much to those who win the jackpot

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                Posted: September 13, 2005, 10:02 pm - IP Logged

                I have a lottery program that I wrote in GWBasic and it high-lites the winning numbers in a list of combinations 20 lines per seconds or better, most programs can do even better.  As long a the tickets are in the same order as the file there's no problem finding the winning tickets.  A problem might exist if some one made a mistake while making out the tickets. As I said in an earlier post, some States require the tickets be made out by hand. but there are printing programs for those who plan to play a lot of tickets. 

                One time I played in a $500 pool and I was one of two people assigned to make out the tickets and I was cross-eyed after making out about 25 tickets.  I didn't mind putting $25 into the pool, it was making out the tickets that I didn't like.  I only ever did that once, I think that's why large pools use QPs instead of systems.

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                  Posted: September 14, 2005, 12:40 pm - IP Logged

                  It seems ludicrous that any one group could buy all the tickets for the Mega Millions or Powerball drawings.

                  However, I think that one day some group or sole investor will use a reduction strategy and make a run for the money.  Let's take last night's Mega Millions drawing numbers: 13-24-44-48-52 / 30.  I felt confident on the number 13.  I also was looking for an Even megaball.  My one quick pick gave me 13 in the first position, followed by four even numbers, and an even megaball.  There are only 168,245 such combinations and the winning pick was one of those!

                  All you need is a couple of correct hunches.  Include the number 13, all the rest even...only 470,925 of those combos. 

                  It is possible to win this game...it's just a lot easier with some money up front.


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                    Posted: September 19, 2005, 8:40 pm - IP Logged

                    There was a relevant news story just a couple of years ago or so when the Powerball jackpot hit over $ 200  million.  I think the some of the players on the Minnesota Vikings formed a pool where each one put up $ 1,000.  Even with all the tickets they could've bought, they still came up empty on the grand prize.  There's no indication that they were even able to match 5 balls.

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                      Posted: September 20, 2005, 8:31 am - IP Logged

                      Did that group have a strategy for picking their numbers or did they just plan to buy a bunch of QPs and hope to get lucky?

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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