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A new kind of Challenge?

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Posted: October 20, 2005, 9:04 am - IP Logged

This would be a maximum coverage approach. For Mega millions for example, you would be allowed 11 picks of 5 with no repeating numbers and 5 mega numbers

ie

1,2,3,4,5

6,7,8,9,10

11,12,13,14,15

16,17,18,19,20

21,22,23,24,25

26,27,28,29,30

31,32,33,34,35

36,37,38,39,40

41,42,43,44,45

46,47,48,49,50

51,52,53,54,55

With only one number missing, most people should be able to get 5 hits of one number. The test/workout would be on how well the numbers can be shuffled to come up with a paying combination.

The advantage of this approach would be that the 5 winning numbers will be selected practically every time and it's only an $11 dollar investment if you actually bet it?

What do you think?

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

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    Posted: October 20, 2005, 9:53 am - IP Logged

    Seems like as good a strategy as any other.  The knack will come in putting all the winners on one line.

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          I like the approach because it will generate the best betting grids. If you use excel, you reorder to (3 odd, 2 even) and ( 2odd and 3 even) for example. This can be done by initially setting a 5x11 grid with all the numbers in it, then a 5x11 grid with blanks next to it. Then as you fill in the blanks, mark out the numbers in the other grid. After that, try to apply a second criteria to those number until you finish to your satisfaction.

          Like wheeling, it would be interesting who can come up with the most balanced grids using certain filtering criteria.

          The other things I like is that it keeps your betting amounts manageable and the approach is applicale to games like Fantasy 5, Super Lotto...etc.

      You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

      Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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        Posted: October 20, 2005, 12:17 pm - IP Logged

        This would be a maximum coverage approach. For Mega millions for example, you would be allowed 11 picks of 5 with no repeating numbers and 5 mega numbers

        ie

        1,2,3,4,5

        6,7,8,9,10

        11,12,13,14,15

        16,17,18,19,20

        21,22,23,24,25

        26,27,28,29,30

        31,32,33,34,35

        36,37,38,39,40

        41,42,43,44,45

        46,47,48,49,50

        51,52,53,54,55

        With only one number missing, most people should be able to get 5 hits of one number. The test/workout would be on how well the numbers can be shuffled to come up with a paying combination.

        The advantage of this approach would be that the 5 winning numbers will be selected practically every time and it's only an $11 dollar investment if you actually bet it?

        What do you think?

        JKING!!

        I love this approach!  Very clever and intelligent!

        For an approach to minimize your list further, trying the following:

        1.  Assign a letter to each of the 11 rows like so:

        A12345
        B678910
        C1112131415
        D1617181920
        E2122232425
        F2627282930
        G3132333435
        H3637383940
        I4142434445
        J4647484950
        K5152535455


        2.  After assigning rows, check the last dozens or so drawings to see what letter trends are occurring.  For example, last night's Powerball was 7 (B), 21 (E), 43 (I), 44 (1), 49 (J) and 29 (F).  See which letters are hot, which are cold and play accordingly.

        3.  Then ..... flip your matrix by assigning the numbers like this:

        A112233445
        B213243546
        C314253647
        D415263748
        E516273849
        F617283950
        G718294051
        H819304152
        I920314253
        J1021324354
        K1122334455


        4.  Repeat Step 2.

        5.  After finding your ideal lettered rows for your upcoming drawing, start placing numbers into your "3 odds, 2 evens" scenario and so on.

        Just a thought!  What do you think?

        Good Luck,

        John

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          Posted: October 20, 2005, 12:25 pm - IP Logged

          That might work. Track it for a few picks and see how it works.

           

          I'm thinking now the challenge should be 12 rows of 5. Each number only once plus 4 repeat numbers. This would guarentee that you would hit all 5 picked numbers EVERY TIME. The ability to do this seems to be the weakness of the other lottery challenges.

          One other thing I like about this kind of challenge is that it accommodates a pencil and paper approach as well as computers.

          You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

          Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.


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            Posted: October 20, 2005, 3:17 pm - IP Logged

            Your formula might just work one of these days JKING. The only problem is that many people may match the same formula. If this is the case, CA will win less money matching 5/5, but miss the MB.

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              Posted: October 20, 2005, 9:18 pm - IP Logged

              If you include a bonus number with each line, they can be posted on the prediction board with the other predictions and the winners will appear on the winners board after the drawings.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: October 21, 2005, 10:50 pm - IP Logged

                I picked eleven lines randomly which include 55 or the 56 numbers.   I played these in tonights MegaMillions. I guess I'm the only one to accept the challenge. I posted the first ten lines on the prediction board earlier.

                 01 12 23 30 50 +26
                 06 13 24 28 53 +28
                 02 03 27 46 54 +32
                 07 31 33 47 55 +31
                 15 25 26 45 48 +14
                 04 11 29 34 37 +13
                 08 17 21 43 56 +06
                 14 16 39 44 51 +42
                 05 36 38 41 52 +43
                 10 20 32 40 42 +17
                 09 18 22 35 49 +02

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Posted: October 22, 2005, 6:18 am - IP Logged

                  The draw numbers were 11-17-28-29-36 + MB 42.

                  Congrats to RJOh on the 2+0 hit.

                  Over the years, I've tried this same approach on most every jackpot game that I've ever played. I can't recall having any exceptional success, but I did cash some tickets here and there. It's certainly no worse than any other method I've ever used. I suppose any strategy will show some results if you stick with it long enough. Maybe that says more about the element of luck than any presumed skill.

                  Even though this approach can cover all the numbers, it doesn't appear to do anything to budge the  huge odds of the games. Notwithstanding simply buying more and more tickets, I haven't found anything that will achieve that end. Trying to hit all the draw numbers isn't exactly a weakness of the other challenges. Indeed, it is the essence of the other challenges. As JAG331 said, the real challenge still remains in getting enough numbers on one line to cash a ticket.

                  Good luck to all,

                  aye' 

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                    Posted: October 22, 2005, 10:09 am - IP Logged

                    I accidentally overlooked RJOh's 0+1 hit. Congrats on a real paying selection of the Mega Ball. I also noticed that cpt2415 scored two 3+0 hits on the predictions board.

                    I like the idea of having a challenge series where all participants post their lines on the LP predictions board because credit would be given for actual money making combinations of numbers. Scoring would also be posted automatically in the predictions results. I'd be willing to participate in that.

                    How about doing it in conjunction with a challenge thread? We could allow participants to post their best ten lines on the predictions board so all entrants could compete on an equal footing. Everyone could also post the maximum of eleven or twelve lines in the challenge thread.

                    aye'

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                      Posted: October 22, 2005, 4:56 pm - IP Logged

                      Such a challenge would be clever and intelligent but the successful players would expose their methods for picking winning numbers and most players are reluctant to post helpful information that involves winning or sharing a big jackpot.  Pick3 players don't mind if someone wins $40 playing their 10 picks but it might be a different story if the prize was a share of a $10M+ jackpot. 

                      People like to talk a lot about winning the lotteries, but such a challenge would mean some would try to back up their talk and there aren't enough willing to do that.  I would like to see a similar challenge for both MegaMillions and PowerBall. I was the only one to participate in the challenge this time and I doubt if any others will in the future, but good luck on getting one started.

                      RJOh

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                        Posted: October 22, 2005, 10:08 pm - IP Logged

                        I picked eleven lines randomly which include all 55 numbers.  Last night I tried this with MegaMillions so I thought I was would try it with PowerBall tonight.  I posted the first ten lines on the prediction board earlier.

                        11 26 27 38 41 +04
                        08 20 43 45 47 +32
                        16 17 36 37 52 +03
                        03 29 31 32 51 +22
                        01 18 23 25 39 +39
                        02 06 28 40 44 +05
                        05 14 21 34 48 +19
                        10 13 19 42 53 +18
                        07 15 22 35 46 +38
                        04 12 24 30 50 +42
                        09 33 49 54 55 +35

                        RJOh

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                          Posted: October 23, 2005, 12:16 pm - IP Logged

                          The winning numbers were 06 07 36 51 53 +17.  No winners this time.

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                            now this is interesting! I like this for a white ball approach to PB as well.

                            I still have an old spreadsheet for a similar concept I dubbed the ber-wheel"

                            it was mostly a grid of 11 lines that would fill in numbers based on frequency, using all 53 (at the time, easily adaptable to 55). it used the last 4 draws to get its data.

                            Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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                              Posted: October 23, 2005, 7:39 pm - IP Logged

                              How well did your "Uber-wheel" work?  Was it better than 11 lines picked randomly with no restrictions?

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