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# Are overdue root sums a good strategy?

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The Carolinas - Charlotte
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I was just checking out some good info on the box combos for root sums and found the following:

1. Root sum 0 on average should draw 1 in every 20 drawings, based on boxed combos. (1 possible combination)

2. Root sum 1 on average should draw 1 in every 16 drawings, based on boxed combos (14 possible combinations)

3. Root sum 2 on average should draw 1 in every 10 drawings, based on boxed combos (24 possible combinations)

4. Root sum 3 on average should draw 1 in every 9 drawings, based on boxed combos (25 possible combinations)

5. Root sum 4 on average should draw 1 in every 10 drawings, based on boxed combos (24 possible combinations)

6. Root sum 5 on average should draw 1 in every 10 drawings, based on boxed combos (24 possible combinations)

7. Root sum 6 on average should draw 1 in every 9 drawings, based on boxed combos (25 possible combinations)

8. Root sum 7 on average should draw 1 in every 10 drawings, based on boxed combos (24 possible combinations)

9. Root sum 8 on average should draw 1 in every 10 drawings, based on boxed combos (24 possible combinations)

10. Root sum 9 on average should draw 1 in every 9 drawings, based on boxed combos (25 possible combinations)

Now, would it be a good idea to play these root sums when they become grossly overdue? For instance, if root sum 9 is out say 20 drawings, to start pounding those combinations? Seems like eventually they will hit (although never guaranteed). I have put together some progressions that aren't steep that will allow to play these for a long time. Think this is a bad idea?

Also, do root sums work on Pick-4 as well? I know that BlackApple is a huge proponent of the Root Sum, but I am a little confused as to when to use this strategy. Any advice? Thanks...

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I have noticed

Root sums 1,8,9 huddle

Winsum done a root sum study

long ago.

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Interesting. I will follow that as well.

BA - would you say this is a good idea for Pick 4 as well?

Root Sum 0 involves 1 triple combo

Root Sum 1 involves 8 singles and 6 doubles

Root Sums 2, 4, 5, 7 & 8 involve 13 singles and 11 doubles each

Root Sums 3, 6 & 9 involve 14 singles, 8 doubles and 3 triples each

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 Posted: December 12, 2005, 4:24 pm - IP Logged

Good stuff.

Works for Pick4

3 digits in Pick4 you just

make up the difference

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Interesting. I will follow that as well.

BA - would you say this is a good idea for Pick 4 as well?

Root Sum 0 involves 1 triple combo

Root Sum 1 involves 8 singles and 6 doubles

Root Sums 2, 4, 5, 7 & 8 involve 13 singles and 11 doubles each

Root Sums 3, 6 & 9 involve 14 singles, 8 doubles and 3 triples each

that is great info.. is there a chart made just for that info?

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I came across the Root Sum Chart for Pick 4 last night.  I tried to "search" for the Pick 3 Root Sum Chart.  You know how that goes.   I actually fell asleep at my computer last night trying to find that chart.  I'm glad someone brought this topic up.

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Interesting. I will follow that as well.

BA - would you say this is a good idea for Pick 4 as well?

Root Sum 0 involves 1 triple combo

Root Sum 1 involves 8 singles and 6 doubles

Root Sums 2, 4, 5, 7 & 8 involve 13 singles and 11 doubles each

Root Sums 3, 6 & 9 involve 14 singles, 8 doubles and 3 triples each

that is great info.. is there a chart made just for that info?

I have a chart..I got it from another post..long ago...I can't remember who the author was...So,  I can not give them proper credit..I added some to it too...

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 Posted: December 12, 2005, 5:18 pm - IP Logged

Interesting. I will follow that as well.

BA - would you say this is a good idea for Pick 4 as well?

Root Sum 0 involves 1 triple combo

Root Sum 1 involves 8 singles and 6 doubles

Root Sums 2, 4, 5, 7 & 8 involve 13 singles and 11 doubles each

Root Sums 3, 6 & 9 involve 14 singles, 8 doubles and 3 triples each

that is great info.. is there a chart made just for that info?

I have a chart..I got it from another post..long ago...I can't remember who the author was...So,  I can not give them proper credit..I added some to it too...

post  it my friend if you can find it..

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I apologize..this doesn't paste in very well....but copy this..and save it to a notepad

SUM                        BOXED                      TOTAL
TOTAL                    COMBINATIONS              COMBINATIONS
00: 000....................................................................1
01: 001..........................................................1
02: 002 011......................................................2
03: 003 012 111..................................................3
04: 004 013 022 112..............................................4
05: 005 014 023 113 122..........................................5
06: 006 015 024 033 114 123 222..................................7
07: 007 016 025 034 115 124 133 223............................. 8
08: 008 017 026 035 044 116 125 134 224 233.....................10
09: 009 018 027 036 045 117 126 135 144 225 234 333.............12
10: 019 028 037 046 055 118 127 136 145 226 235 244 334.........13
11: 029 038 047 056 119 128 137 146 155 227 236 245 335 344.....14
12: 039 048 057 066 129 138 147 156 228 237 246 255 336 345 444........15
13: 049 058 067 139 148 157 166 229 238 247 256 337 346 355 445........15
14: 059 068 077 149 158 167 239 248 257 266 338 347 356 446 455........15
15: 069 078 159 168 177 249 258 267 339 348 357 366 447 456 555........15
16: 079 088 169 178 259 268 277 349 358 367 448 457 466 556.........14
17: 089 179 188 269 278 359 368 377 449 458 467 557 566.........13
18: 099 189 279 288 369 378 459 468 477 558 567 666.............12
19: 199 289 379 388 469 478 559 568 577 667.....................10
20: 299 389 479 488 569 578 668 677..............................8
21: 399 489 579 588 669 678 777..................................7
22: 499 589 679 688 778..........................................5
23: 599 689 788 779..............................................4
24: 699 789 888..................................................3
25: 799 889......................................................2
26: 899..........................................................1
27: 999..........................................................1

ROOT
SUM                                        BOXED                                                  TOTAL
TOTAL                                  COMBINATIONS                                          COMBINATIONS
00: 000..................................................................................................1
01: 001 019 028 037 046 055 118 127 136 145 226 235 244 334..............................................14
02: 002 011 299 389 479 488 569 578 668 677 029 038 047 056 119 128 137 146 155 227 236 245 335 344......24
03: 003 012 111 039 048 057 066 129 138 147 156 228 237 246 255 336 345 444 399 489 579 588 669 678 777..25
04: 004 013 022 112 049 058 067 139 148 157 166 229 238 247 256 337 346 355 445 499 589 679 688 778......24
05: 005 014 023 113 122 059 068 077 149 158 167 239 248 257 266 338 347 356 446 455 599 689 788 779......24
06: 006 015 024 033 114 123 222 069 078 159 168 177 249 258 267 339 348 357 366 447 456 555 699 789 888..25
07: 007 016 025 034 115 124 133 223 079 088 169 178 259 268 277 349 358 367 448 457 466 556 799 889......24
08: 008 017 026 035 044 116 125 134 224 233 089 179 188 269 278 359 368 377 449 458 467 557 566 899......24
09: 009 018 027 036 045 117 126 135 144 225 234 333 099 189 279 288 369 378 459 468 477 558 567 666 999..25

ohhh...I think this was found in Latern's post..so thanks goes to Latern....I added the bottom part..about root sums...

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I apologize..this doesn't paste in very well....but copy this..and save it to a notepad

SUM                        BOXED                      TOTAL
TOTAL                    COMBINATIONS              COMBINATIONS
00: 000....................................................................1
01: 001..........................................................1
02: 002 011......................................................2
03: 003 012 111..................................................3
04: 004 013 022 112..............................................4
05: 005 014 023 113 122..........................................5
06: 006 015 024 033 114 123 222..................................7
07: 007 016 025 034 115 124 133 223............................. 8
08: 008 017 026 035 044 116 125 134 224 233.....................10
09: 009 018 027 036 045 117 126 135 144 225 234 333.............12
10: 019 028 037 046 055 118 127 136 145 226 235 244 334.........13
11: 029 038 047 056 119 128 137 146 155 227 236 245 335 344.....14
12: 039 048 057 066 129 138 147 156 228 237 246 255 336 345 444........15
13: 049 058 067 139 148 157 166 229 238 247 256 337 346 355 445........15
14: 059 068 077 149 158 167 239 248 257 266 338 347 356 446 455........15
15: 069 078 159 168 177 249 258 267 339 348 357 366 447 456 555........15
16: 079 088 169 178 259 268 277 349 358 367 448 457 466 556.........14
17: 089 179 188 269 278 359 368 377 449 458 467 557 566.........13
18: 099 189 279 288 369 378 459 468 477 558 567 666.............12
19: 199 289 379 388 469 478 559 568 577 667.....................10
20: 299 389 479 488 569 578 668 677..............................8
21: 399 489 579 588 669 678 777..................................7
22: 499 589 679 688 778..........................................5
23: 599 689 788 779..............................................4
24: 699 789 888..................................................3
25: 799 889......................................................2
26: 899..........................................................1
27: 999..........................................................1

ROOT
SUM                                        BOXED                                                  TOTAL
TOTAL                                  COMBINATIONS                                          COMBINATIONS
00: 000..................................................................................................1
01: 001 019 028 037 046 055 118 127 136 145 226 235 244 334..............................................14
02: 002 011 299 389 479 488 569 578 668 677 029 038 047 056 119 128 137 146 155 227 236 245 335 344......24
03: 003 012 111 039 048 057 066 129 138 147 156 228 237 246 255 336 345 444 399 489 579 588 669 678 777..25
04: 004 013 022 112 049 058 067 139 148 157 166 229 238 247 256 337 346 355 445 499 589 679 688 778......24
05: 005 014 023 113 122 059 068 077 149 158 167 239 248 257 266 338 347 356 446 455 599 689 788 779......24
06: 006 015 024 033 114 123 222 069 078 159 168 177 249 258 267 339 348 357 366 447 456 555 699 789 888..25
07: 007 016 025 034 115 124 133 223 079 088 169 178 259 268 277 349 358 367 448 457 466 556 799 889......24
08: 008 017 026 035 044 116 125 134 224 233 089 179 188 269 278 359 368 377 449 458 467 557 566 899......24
09: 009 018 027 036 045 117 126 135 144 225 234 333 099 189 279 288 369 378 459 468 477 558 567 666 999..25

ohhh...I think this was found in Latern's post..so thanks goes to Latern....I added the bottom part..about root sums...

thanks.. it printed well

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 Posted: December 12, 2005, 5:37 pm - IP Logged

Thanks dman!!!

You know what?  I really believe that if you use the vtracs and root sums together, you can figure out the best plays for your state(s).

Stick with them for a few draws and see what happens. And you don't have to play them all.  Pick a favorite combo if you want.

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Sherwin - agreed, as I am sure BA agrees too. I think these are two very powerful components to making some money in P3 and P4. I have backtested 8 states already today on my theory of overdue root sums with progressive wagering. Passing with flying colors with very little cash outlay.

Once I have popped in all of the states, we can evaluate. Because at some point there will be a very overdue RS somewhere in the U.S. for each drawing period every day. I would suppose.

Could be lucrative. Any suggestions/advice welcomed.

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Thanks dman!!!

You know what?  I really believe that if you use the vtracs and root sums together, you can figure out the best plays for your state(s).

Stick with them for a few draws and see what happens. And you don't have to play them all.  Pick a favorite combo if you want.

Bingo..

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The root/sum filter on the deflation tool is what I like best..

got several hits using it...

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