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Cashman87

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Jan 15, 2006, 10:45 pm

Yeah, I've never posted "predictions".
Like in the predictions section.
I just look at certain states, and pick 40 numbers to play for that state. :) Seems easier that way.

But, ofcourse I would never charge friends or family, that's rediculous, I'm talking about opening up a big selection service, or, maybe something "big" but, "private", you know? I can basically get hits in all states, but, I stick mainly to certain states.
Especially states that have a midday and eve drawing. And, my formula needs certain conditions before I can "generate" numbers to play, so, that's the only reason I haven't posted for georgia, or, any other state with eve and midd drawings. :)

I should be able to today. But, it's not a bribe, it's just business. You know? I have a talent, a very good talent. I've been able to figure out how things work, ever since I was a kid, and nothing, not even sports betting, horse racing, lottery, things of the "random" nature, have been able to stop me. :) The formula I use, ofcourse will remain "in the family", but, the "fruit" the work of the formula produces, is no problem of mine to share.
As far as the lottery officials go, fear will make me limit the "member base", something like 20-30 members a month?, If I ever do create a service. But, being so blasted busy, ...lol, with 2 kids,....and still being so young, I'm not sure if I ever will. :)

But, if I do, you guys will be the first to know about it. :)

$$$$

I'll see what numbers I can post.

:)
Sandy K

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:01 pm

okay, now my question to burst the bubble.
How do you keep your numbers "private". Say I joined and you gave me some numbers. What's to prevent me from giving the numbers to my friends?
I always wondered about that. How someone can predict and not worry about that.
Have you thought of that scenario?

Sandy
fast eddie

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:12 pm

Cashman, If you feel you have a real talent for picking winning numbers then you should start by saving a bankroll just for gambling. This should be extra income, not money you need to support your family. The larger the bankroll the better. Then develop your game plan and stick to it, keep track of your wins and loses and amounts wagered etc... An if you indeed have a gift for picking winners you will notice your bankroll growing and you will be the rich friend. Good Luck to you.

"Money won is twice as sweet as money earned"
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Jan 15, 2006, 11:18 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Cashman87 on January 15, 2006
Yeah, I've never posted "predictions".
Like in the predictions section.
I just look at certain states, and pick 40 numbers to play for that state. :) Seems easier that way.

But, ofcourse I would never charge friends or family, that's rediculous, I'm talking about opening up a big selection service, or, maybe something "big" but, "private", you know? I can basically get hits in all states, but, I stick mainly to certain states.
Especially states that have a midday and eve drawing. And, my formula needs certain conditions before I can "generate" numbers to play, so, that's the only reason I haven't posted for georgia, or, any other state with eve and midd drawings. :)

I should be able to today. But, it's not a bribe, it's just business. You know? I have a talent, a very good talent. I've been able to figure out how things work, ever since I was a kid, and nothing, not even sports betting, horse racing, lottery, things of the "random" nature, have been able to stop me. :) The formula I use, ofcourse will remain "in the family", but, the "fruit" the work of the formula produces, is no problem of mine to share.
As far as the lottery officials go, fear will make me limit the "member base", something like 20-30 members a month?, If I ever do create a service. But, being so blasted busy, ...lol, with 2 kids,....and still being so young, I'm not sure if I ever will. :)

But, if I do, you guys will be the first to know about it. :)

$$$$

I'll see what numbers I can post.

:)
get in touch with casho - he'll give u hints

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Cashman87

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:23 pm

Alright, let me get to both of you guys! :)

Sandy, well, that wouldn't be a big deal to me. Everyone who "sells" anything, ofcourse considers that. Even "private" things. If I sold a cd to just a few people, ofcourse I know, that in this world, atleast 2 of those individuals will be copying, and "lending" that cd to friends and family. You know?

And fast eddie, I already consider myself very wealthy, and that's not just financially, that includes family and love baby! :) And, I already have a few 1 triples 0's working on my numbers as we speak....I gamble for a living per say.... (sports betting, stock trading, horse racing)...but, if all my back testing, and "real time" testing, are in direct proportionate with each other, then, sh*t man, I am going to consider the "numbers" game, something more than just a "game" and "extra income", but, as another main "source" of income. As I believe no man can survive from one source of income.

And, as far as the "gift" goes, I wouldn't quite say that. Someone like, U.N.V.ME, and some others on this board, they definately have a "gift" for picking numbers, they have it made! lol ....my talent is something else....it's more like, a gift for figuring out how things work. You know what I mean? Being able to "see" what "determined the previous "decision", and being able to not "predict", but, "know" what the next "decision" will be.
CalifDude

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:26 pm

Before you start selling your information, you need to prove it is worth it. Upgrade your membership so you can post the 40 numbers on the prediction page. That makes it a lot easier for us to check your ability to beat the averages. You could then point to your success on the prediction page to better convince people to buy your picks.
Cashman87

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:36 pm

Isn't it easier to look at my post in each state?

I don't know, this is where I'd probably fall off. lol. I said I might create a service, but, probably won't. :)

I guess you guys can just enjoy my posts while I'm here. :)

Either way, I think word of mouth is the best advertisement. If you have like a close relative or friend who is using something that works, and you see him experiencing it's "work", then, you more inclined to try it out for yourself. You know?
I don't know, "convincing" seems too much like the job of a "sales men", and I hate that stuff. :) They all are "deceptive" to me, and all seem to only be doing what they are doing for their own interest. :)
BobP

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:45 pm

It's very simple. Either your picks can be played at a profit long term by all your potential subscribers, or you will be a con man selling bogus lotto predictions to suckers. If the former you will be able to track your hit rate and like any stock broker prove your success rate to date. If the latter, you have to fly under the radar avoiding customers with working brains who can dial consumer protection agencies. BobP
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Jan 15, 2006, 11:50 pm

Quote: Originally posted by CalifDude on January 15, 2006
Before you start selling your information, you need to prove it is worth it. Upgrade your membership so you can post the 40 numbers on the prediction page. That makes it a lot easier for us to check your ability to beat the averages. You could then point to your success on the prediction page to better convince people to buy your picks.

right now I am experimenting with something new using the prediction page as a keep up.. Now if I can keep up with the prediction page..lol

Maddogg has me a believer in what ever system he is using... He is making progress every day...

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CalifDude

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:50 pm

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on January 15, 2006
It's very simple. Either your picks can be played at a profit long term by all your potential subscribers, or you will be a con man selling bogus lotto predictions to suckers. If the former you will be able to track your hit rate and like any stock broker prove your success rate to date. If the latter, you have to fly under the radar avoiding customers with working brains who can dial consumer protection agencies. BobP
fast eddie

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:58 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on January 15, 2006
Check your prediction statistics and got this message:
"No report available: Cashman87 has not posted any predictions."
RJoh, Come on, you want proof in the form of an unbiased place for Cashman87 to post predictions and have the results shown for all to see to decide if indeed he is the great prognosticator he says he is?. Me think not.

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RJOh

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Jan 16, 2006, 1:09 am

Quote: Originally posted by fast eddie on January 15, 2006
Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on January 15, 2006
Check your prediction statistics and got this message:
"No report available: Cashman87 has not posted any predictions."
RJoh, Come on, you want proof in the form of an unbiased place for Cashman87 to post predictions and have the results shown for all to see to decide if indeed he is the great prognosticator he says he is?. Me think not.
It doesn't matter to me if he ever post any predictions, I simply responded to "Check out my posts in pick 3 and pick 4." that was in his response and reported my findings.

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Cashman87

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Jan 16, 2006, 2:54 am

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on January 15, 2006
It's very simple. Either your picks can be played at a profit long term by all your potential subscribers, or you will be a con man selling bogus lotto predictions to suckers. If the former you will be able to track your hit rate and like any stock broker prove your success rate to date. If the latter, you have to fly under the radar avoiding customers with working brains who can dial consumer protection agencies. BobP
Well, I've only been here for 2-3 weeks, have gotten about 3-4 hits in the little predictions I have posted so far.
I am going to be here for a little while as I'm giving myself a few weeks off from "work" and just playing numbers, and while I make money on my numbers, it's open door for any one to freely make money with me. :)

But, I won't be here forever, you know? So, I feel, if anyone, not just this website, the world too, :), I mean if ANYONE wanted to share winning with me, they'd have to do it via my subscription service. Granted I actually open one up, and granted, they got in before it's full. If I am going to create a service for selections, it would be something that would be "limited". Meaning, I'd only take a few subscribers a month....say, about 40....at the VERY most, 60. Maybe MUCH less than that. Maybe just 30, no big deal. As far as being labled a "con man", well, in the advertising and sales world, being prepared for that, is key to success.
I am willing to accept that maybe even more than half of the world will be very skeptical, and will need some hands on, free, experience, before they sign up. That's no big deal to me. :) And, I definately would NOT put my own money on something that I'm not sure works. I've been in the "numbers" game for a very long time. And the same numbers I would give my subscribers are the numbers I'd be putting my money on.

If I created a service, it'd be more of a "generous" thing. Not, something I am looking to make a living off of. I'd probably run it for about 4-6 months, a year at the most anyway. I spoke to a few people that I see around town, and gave them the scenario....a few lottery players, and I told them, if someone ran a pick 3-pick4 service, that generated alot of hits, and charged about $70-$100 a month, would you join? And, they all said sure..... :) One of them did mention however, that, they'd want to see atleast a week or two of free selections before signing up for real. Which is still cool! :)
Now, that just makes me believe, that if I opened up a service, and advertised it "ok", and put the limit, with say, max 30-60 subscribers a month, that I'll definately get SOME people. Not expecting to get the max limit, 10-15 is fine. :)
I would never approach the "creating of the service project" with the mentality that "I have to do whatever I can to get as many people interested".... "I need to get a ton of people paying for my selections" ...... "I have to proove to so many people how good my selections are, so my reputation grows, and the 'demand' for my service increases"....no.
I would see it merely as a professional way to share my great talent. :)
If it's too much of a hassle, I'd probably just leave the whole idea alone, and keep the "fruit" within the family and friends. Or, whoever else close. :) But, I have a feeling it'll work out fine, ....that is if I ever do it. :)

And to rjoh, yeah, I never post in the "predictions" section, I just post topics, in pick 3 or pick 4, with my selections. :)
BobP

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Jan 17, 2006, 1:42 am

For any business to work you have to consider economy of scale. There is a price to be paid for everything you do once you begin to accept money from subscribers. Licenses to apply for, bank accounts to open, taxes to pay, etc.

Once you've done all it takes to operate a business legally, the more customers the better up to what you can handle.

It isn't enough to have lots of hits, there are lists of numbers that generally hit somewhere every week. The trick is to play at a profit and then to double up the wagers with each win until the prize is closer to Pick-5 then Pick-3.
BobP
Cashman87

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Jan 17, 2006, 1:54 am

I run 2 online business's already. And that's not including what I do for a living, :) so, I know what the deal is when it comes to running a business. As far as "what I can handle" is entailed, I am more than enough financially backed to handle everything from my end, without the "income" I would receive from subscirbers. The more customers, is not the better I will be. The fact that just a few customers are willing to subscribe, and that I want to limit my customers, is already obvious that, I know, that alot of "out of pocket" expenses are neccesary. And, I am willing to do that.

The economy plays only a role in retail business. I do not have any interest in a retail business, nor, do I like retail business's. And, like I said, if it's more complicated than I am willing to endure, then, the idea may be scrapped. I may, however, give a relative the idea, let him/her go through the process, and just feed them the numbers so they can make a living selling the subscriptions to inviduals. :) I would still be helping others nontheless.

And, any service that can't consistently produce hits, I'm talking more than once every 1-2 weeks, then, they're useless. Atleast to me. :) You can do just as good as them on your own. :) People today don't need "developing" services. They need services that provide exactly what they are looking for. Consistent hits. Definate wins. Consistent hits. "Lucky wins" are too much "game". "Beating the averages" are still too much "game". "Increasing your chances of winning" are too much game. I'm sure people are tired of all that. People want this......Consistent hits, which represents a completely new business module, ....where you can thus change the outlook from "gambling" to "investing". That's what people want. :)

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