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Strategies, sustems, techniques, or luck?

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Posted: February 28, 2006, 7:30 pm - IP Logged

OK, let's say you have two people playing any lottery. (Five and six number games, not Pick 3s and such, for the most part).

One studies results, works on a system tries to develop a system, and goes many years and never hits anything big. The other stops at a store, buys a QP, and hits! (Seems to happen often).

My question is somewhere between "Where's the justice?" and is it all just destiny?

PS

I had years of casino work and saw people who knew the games inside and out get slughtered while people who were absolutely clueless and made very "bad bets" ( Although no winner is a bad bet) walk away with money time after time. I had one boss who honestly started believing "an angel" was hanging out on the street out front looking for people who had no concept and telling them to take $25 or so and walk up to a particular table at a particular time and walk away with $5,000 a few hours later. He also said "Some people are just born under the right star."

I'm just curious to see what people here say on this.  

    truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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    Posted: February 28, 2006, 8:08 pm - IP Logged

    Luck beats skill every time.

    But that "luck" won't last. You have to get each person's statistics. Were they lucky once, when you observed them? They won $1,000. But then the next 10 times when you weren't looking they lost $10,000. I don't believe people claim to be lucky time after time. I believe they know something and perhaps are trying to hide that fact to prevent being thrown out of the casino. Or to keep people from asking them "what is your secret?"

    Plus luck is for "casual" play. Not for someone that is serious about any game. You can't make a living with luck alone. But with enough skill, you should be able to.

    That's not to say that people with skill will automatically come out making a profit. But the good ones do.

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      Posted: February 28, 2006, 8:31 pm - IP Logged

      When it comes to gambling or playing the lotteries, the only people you hear about are the winners.  You never hear about all the people who bought quick picks and lost, very few people use systems to pick their numbers because most people buy quick picks. 

      The percent of system players among LP members is probably higher than the general public, because LP members spend a lot more time trying to figure a way to play smart or win than most people.

      If there was someone out there with a winning system they would have no good reason to tell others about it.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: February 28, 2006, 10:51 pm - IP Logged

        truecritic

        A lot of those "lucky" people were not players, first time and one time tourists.

        The guys with the notebooks keeping track of the diece and who could recite the odds on every bet to you would be telling them don't bet this or that bet, and it was those very bets that were putting money in their racks!

        There's a saying in Vegas about "grinder" players (mostly for the minimum buy-in they're "renting" a spot on the table so they can get free drinks,
        "Came to stay, not to play." (i.e, they're not there to win).

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          Posted: March 1, 2006, 12:39 am - IP Logged

          People often work out what seems like a winning system, but actually makes it harder to nearly impossible to win, like those who play all the numbers on a split wheel where we know their chance to win only comes around about once in one hundred draws.

          One hundred tourists walk in, one wins a fair amount, the others lose acceptable amounts or average out, which do you remember?

          There are smart ways to play if you don't give a hoot.  If I lived in Vegas where I could play say on lunch hour, I'd play five to seven Roulette numbers and if one won let it ride till I hit my amount or went bust. The casino can only win a few bucks per day while I may at some point win big enough to get what I want.  Which day will you remember me from?

          On the other hand, with only the occasional visit, I'd have to play a system with a chance to win in the short term.  BobP

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            Posted: March 1, 2006, 12:52 am - IP Logged

            my dads been playing quickpicks since the  beginning of time and has never hit the big one, recently he got me to try NY take 5 which is only  5/39 format and i try to figure out a system ,it took me a week to hit 4 of 5 numbers and win $500 ...dad was vexed

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              Posted: March 1, 2006, 12:56 pm - IP Logged

              BobP

              "The casino can only win a few bucks per day while I may at some point win big enough to get what I want.  "

               Excellent! There is a thing casinos called "the feared player", but that player is only one out opf thousands. The "feared player's" approach is this, Never give the house the chance to stand to win from you what you stand to win from them."

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                Posted: March 1, 2006, 2:20 pm - IP Logged


                One might say that Luck is the foundation upon which Strategies, Systems, and Techniques are built.

                While we can certainly reduce the odds for a given game by studying it and applying well thought out strategies, systems, and techniques, some measure of luck will always be needed. Eliminating the odds completely is unlikely.

                Certainly there are many winners who use QP's; what we need to know is the actual number of QP's that were sold for a given drawing that was won with a QP. I've never been able to find that information on any of the web sites of the lotteries I play.

                 

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                  Posted: March 2, 2006, 5:01 pm - IP Logged

                  I Agree!

                  "Life is like a box of chocolates...you can speculate on what you're going to get through trial and error"




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                    Posted: March 2, 2006, 5:19 pm - IP Logged


                    One might say that Luck is the foundation upon which Strategies, Systems, and Techniques are built.

                    While we can certainly reduce the odds for a given game by studying it and applying well thought out strategies, systems, and techniques, some measure of luck will always be needed. Eliminating the odds completely is unlikely.

                    Certainly there are many winners who use QP's; what we need to know is the actual number of QP's that were sold for a given drawing that was won with a QP. I've never been able to find that information on any of the web sites of the lotteries I play.

                    What difference is there on how many played a QP or selected a number and then lost?  Equal, unequal? 50%? 90%? 10%?  What counts, is the number of winners that chose QP not the number of winners that didn't.  Counting losers only tells you there were a lot of losers.  I figured that out when I saw the $300M annuity.  That is a lot of losers.  Doesn't matter.  Only the winner counts.  They chose QP 75 to 80% of the time.

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                      Posted: March 2, 2006, 11:18 pm - IP Logged

                      Gumping your way through life is not the best choice. BobP