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HI all.I have interesting question.Hope someone will know this.I would like to know,how much money ,you need to spend on pick 4,to be guarantee box winner,without using double number,in one set of numbers(11,22,).Is there a software,which will calcualte this for me?And also even,use only 8 numbers out of 10,for example 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and 9.I know that,if you want to hit stright guarantee,you need to spend 10,000$,but how about box? thank you

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Quote: Originally posted by bob27 on March 23, 2006

HI all.I have interesting question.Hope someone will know this.I would like to know,how much money ,you need to spend on pick 4,to be guarantee box winner,without using double number,in one set of numbers(11,22,).Is there a software,which will calcualte this for me?And also even,use only 8 numbers out of 10,for example 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and 9.I know that,if you want to hit stright guarantee,you need to spend 10,000$,but how about box? thank you

Depends on what kind of strategy you would like to use. I would use a progressive betting strategy. And using the following numbers, this should get you where you want to go, using SINGLE boxes only (you inquired about 8 numbers being used and that would be the 8 digit wheel - I have found considerable success with this if you have the bankroll, and this is using an online site that allows you to make $0.25 bets that pay out $93.75 per hit):

		7-Digit Wheel	(each unit is $8.75 or 35 combos)
Draw	Bet	Unit	If Loss	If Won
1	$8.75	1	($8.75)	$85.00
2	$8.75	1	($17.50)	$76.25
3	$8.75	1	($26.25)	$67.50
4	$8.75	1	($35.00)	$58.75
5	$8.75	1	($43.75)	$50.00
6	$8.75	1	($52.50)	$41.25
7	$8.75	1	($61.25)	$32.50
8	$8.75	1	($70.00)	$23.75
9	$8.75	1	($78.75)	$15.00
10	$8.75	1	($87.50)	$6.25
11	$17.50	2	($105.00)	$82.50
12	$17.50	2	($122.50)	$65.00
13	$17.50	2	($140.00)	$47.50
14	$17.50	2	($157.50)	$30.00
15	$17.50	2	($175.00)	$12.50
16	$26.25	3	($201.25)	$80.00
17	$26.25	3	($227.50)	$53.75
18	$26.25	3	($253.75)	$27.50
19	$26.25	3	($280.00)	$1.25
20	$35.00	4	($315.00)	$60.00
21	$35.00	4	($350.00)	$25.00
22	$43.75	5	($393.75)	$75.00
23	$43.75	5	($437.50)	$31.25
24	$52.50	6	($490.00)	$72.50
25	$52.50	6	($542.50)	$20.00
26	$61.25	7	($603.75)	$52.50
27	$70.00	8	($673.75)	$76.25
28	$70.00	8	($743.75)	$6.25
29	$78.75	9	($822.50)	$21.25
30	$87.50	10	($910.00)	$27.50
31	$96.25	11	($1,006.25)	$25.00
32	$105.00	12	($1,111.25)	$13.75
33	$122.50	14	($1,233.75)	$78.75
34	$131.25	15	($1,365.00)	$41.25
35	$148.75	17	($1,513.75)	$80.00
36	$157.50	18	($1,671.25)	$16.25
37	$175.00	20	($1,846.25)	$28.75
38	$192.50	22	($2,038.75)	$23.75
39	$210.00	24	($2,248.75)	$1.25
40	$236.25	27	($2,485.00)	$46.25
41	$262.50	30	($2,747.50)	$65.00
42	$288.75	33	($3,036.25)	$57.50
43	$315.00	36	($3,351.25)	$23.75
44	$350.00	40	($3,701.25)	$48.75
45	$385.00	44	($4,086.25)	$38.75
46	$428.75	49	($4,515.00)	$78.75
47	$472.50	54	($4,987.50)	$75.00
48	$516.25	59	($5,503.75)	$27.50
49	$568.75	65	($6,072.50)	$21.25
50	$630.00	72	($6,702.50)	$47.50
51	$691.25	79	($7,393.75)	$12.50
52	$761.25	87	($8,155.00)	$1.25
53	$840.00	96	($8,995.00)	$5.00
54	$927.50	106	($9,922.50)	$15.00
55	$1,023.75	117	($10,946.25)	$22.50
56	$1,128.75	129	($12,075.00)	$18.75
57	$1,251.25	143	($13,326.25)	$80.00
58	$1,373.75	157	($14,700.00)	$18.75
59	$1,513.75	173	($16,213.75)	$5.00
60	$1,671.25	191	($17,885.00)	$21.25

		8-Digit Wheel	(each unit is $17.50 or 68 combos)
Draw	Bet	Unit	If Loss	If Won
1	$17.50	1	($17.50)	$76.25
2	$17.50	1	($35.00)	$58.75
3	$17.50	1	($52.50)	$41.25
4	$17.50	1	($70.00)	$23.75
5	$17.50	1	($87.50)	$6.25
6	$35.00	2	($122.50)	$65.00
7	$35.00	2	($157.50)	$30.00
8	$52.50	3	($210.00)	$71.25
9	$52.50	3	($262.50)	$18.75
10	$70.00	4	($332.50)	$42.50
11	$87.50	5	($420.00)	$48.75
12	$105.00	6	($525.00)	$37.50
13	$122.50	7	($647.50)	$8.75
14	$157.50	9	($805.00)	$38.75
15	$192.50	11	($997.50)	$33.75
16	$245.00	14	($1,242.50)	$70.00
17	$297.50	17	($1,540.00)	$53.75
18	$367.50	21	($1,907.50)	$61.25
19	$455.00	26	($2,362.50)	$75.00
20	$560.00	32	($2,922.50)	$77.50
21	$682.50	39	($3,605.00)	$51.25
22	$840.00	48	($4,445.00)	$55.00
23	$1,032.50	59	($5,477.50)	$53.75
24	$1,260.00	72	($6,737.50)	$12.50
25	$1,557.50	89	($8,295.00)	$48.75
26	$1,907.50	109	($10,202.50)	$16.25
27	$2,345.00	134	($12,547.50)	$15.00
28	$2,887.50	165	($15,435.00)	$33.75
29	$3,552.50	203	($18,987.50)	$43.75
30	$4,375.00	250	($23,362.50)	$75.00

		9-Digit Wheel	(each unit is $31.50 or 126 combos)
Draw	Bet	Unit	If Loss	If Won
1	$31.50	1	($31.50)	$62.25
2	$31.50	1	($63.00)	$30.75
3	$63.00	2	($126.00)	$61.50
4	$94.50	3	($220.50)	$60.75
5	$126.00	4	($346.50)	$28.50
6	$189.00	6	($535.50)	$27.00
7	$283.50	9	($819.00)	$24.75
8	$441.00	14	($1,260.00)	$52.50
9	$661.50	21	($1,921.50)	$47.25
10	$976.50	31	($2,898.00)	$8.25
11	$1,480.50	47	($4,378.50)	$27.75
12	$2,236.50	71	($6,615.00)	$41.25

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Mar 23, 2006, 1:44 pm

There are 10 possible 1 way boxed combinations.
There are 90 possible 4 way boxed combinations.
There are 45 possible 6 way boxed combinations.
There are 360 possible 12 way boxed combinations.
There are 210 possible 24 way boxed combinations.
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715

$105.00
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Quote: Originally posted by Raven62 on March 23, 2006
There are 10 possible 1 way boxed combinations.
There are 90 possible 4 way boxed combinations.
There are 45 possible 6 way boxed combinations.
There are 360 possible 12 way boxed combinations.
There are 210 possible 24 way boxed combinations.
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715

$105.00
So a $52.50 investment if you think that you will have singles...for a $93.75 return.

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Mar 23, 2006, 1:48 pm

iam not getting this.There is more combination in 12 way then in 24 way boxed combinations?Do you have website,where i can use all these 24 way boxed numbers,and write them down?
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Singles (24-way) 210 29.3%
0123 0124 0125 0126 0127 0128 0129 0134 0135 0136 0137 0138 0139 0145
0146 0147 0148 0149 0156 0157 0158 0159 0167 0168 0169 0178 0179 0189
0234 0235 0236 0237 0238 0239 0245 0246 0247 0248 0249 0256 0257 0258
0259 0267 0268 0269 0278 0279 0289 0345 0346 0347 0348 0349 0356 0357
0358 0359 0367 0368 0369 0378 0379 0389 0456 0457 0458 0459 0467 0468
0469 0478 0479 0489 0567 0568 0569 0578 0579 0589 0678 0679 0689 0789
1234 1235 1236 1237 1238 1239 1245 1246 1247 1248 1249 1256 1257 1258
1259 1267 1268 1269 1278 1279 1289 1345 1346 1347 1348 1349 1356 1357
1358 1359 1367 1368 1369 1378 1379 1389 1456 1457 1458 1459 1467 1468
1469 1478 1479 1489 1567 1568 1569 1578 1579 1589 1678 1679 1689 1789
2345 2346 2347 2348 2349 2356 2357 2358 2359 2367 2368 2369 2378 2379
2389 2456 2457 2458 2459 2467 2468 2469 2478 2479 2489 2567 2568 2569
2578 2579 2589 2678 2679 2689 2789 3456 3457 3458 3459 3467 3468 3469
3478 3479 3489 3567 3568 3569 3578 3579 3589 3678 3679 3689 3789 4567
4568 4569 4578 4579 4589 4678 4679 4689 4789 5678 5679 5689 5789 6789

Doubles (12-way) 360 50.3%
0012 0013 0014 0015 0016 0017 0018 0019 0023 0024 0025 0026 0027 0028
0029 0034 0035 0036 0037 0038 0039 0045 0046 0047 0048 0049 0056 0057
0058 0059 0067 0068 0069 0078 0079 0089 0112 0113 0114 0115 0116 0117
0118 0119 0122 0133 0144 0155 0166 0177 0188 0199 0223 0224 0225 0226
0227 0228 0229 0233 0244 0255 0266 0277 0288 0299 0334 0335 0336 0337
0338 0339 0344 0355 0366 0377 0388 0399 0445 0446 0447 0448 0449 0455
0466 0477 0488 0499 0556 0557 0558 0559 0566 0577 0588 0599 0667 0668
0669 0677 0688 0699 0778 0779 0788 0799 0889 0899 1123 1124 1125 1126
1127 1128 1129 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149
1156 1157 1158 1159 1167 1168 1169 1178 1179 1189 1223 1224 1225 1226
1227 1228 1229 1233 1244 1255 1266 1277 1288 1299 1334 1335 1336 1337
1338 1339 1344 1355 1366 1377 1388 1399 1445 1446 1447 1448 1449 1455
1466 1477 1488 1499 1556 1557 1558 1559 1566 1577 1588 1599 1667 1668
1669 1677 1688 1699 1778 1779 1788 1799 1889 1899 2234 2235 2236 2237
2238 2239 2245 2246 2247 2248 2249 2256 2257 2258 2259 2267 2268 2269
2278 2279 2289 2334 2335 2336 2337 2338 2339 2344 2355 2366 2377 2388
2399 2445 2446 2447 2448 2449 2455 2466 2477 2488 2499 2556 2557 2558
2559 2566 2577 2588 2599 2667 2668 2669 2677 2688 2699 2778 2779 2788
2799 2889 2899 3345 3346 3347 3348 3349 3356 3357 3358 3359 3367 3368
3369 3378 3379 3389 3445 3446 3447 3448 3449 3455 3466 3477 3488 3499
3556 3557 3558 3559 3566 3577 3588 3599 3667 3668 3669 3677 3688 3699
3778 3779 3788 3799 3889 3899 4456 4457 4458 4459 4467 4468 4469 4478
4479 4489 4556 4557 4558 4559 4566 4577 4588 4599 4667 4668 4669 4677
4688 4699 4778 4779 4788 4799 4889 4899 5567 5568 5569 5578 5579 5589
5667 5668 5669 5677 5688 5699 5778 5779 5788 5799 5889 5899 6678 6679
6689 6778 6779 6788 6799 6889 6899 7789 7889 7899

Double-Doubles (6-way) 45 6.3%
0011 0022 0033 0044 0055 0066 0077 0088 0099 1122 1133 1144 1155 1166
1177 1188 1199 2233 2244 2255 2266 2277 2288 2299 3344 3355 3366 3377
3388 3399 4455 4466 4477 4488 4499 5566 5577 5588 5599 6677 6688 6699
7788 7799 8899

Triples (4-way) 90 12.6%
0001 0002 0003 0004 0005 0006 0007 0008 0009 0111 0222 0333 0444 0555
0666 0777 0888 0999 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1222 1333
1444 1555 1666 1777 1888 1999 2223 2224 2225 2226 2227 2228 2229 2333
2444 2555 2666 2777 2888 2999 3334 3335 3336 3337 3338 3339 3444 3555
3666 3777 3888 3999 4445 4446 4447 4448 4449 4555 4666 4777 4888 4999
5556 5557 5558 5559 5666 5777 5888 5999 6667 6668 6669 6777 6888 6999
7778 7779 7888 7999 8889 8999

Quads (1-way) 10 1.4%
0000 1111 2222 3333 4444 5555 6666 7777 8888 9999
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So,your suggesting,if i decide to play 24way boxed numbers you post here,and be guarantee winner,then i need to spend 210$,i for example numbers 3692 come up?
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Bob - if the number comes up as single, then yes, you would be guaranteed a winner. However, that's using all 10 digits. if you want to use 8, then you should see my post.
If it comes up single, then you would win $375 putting up $210 at the online site. but if you lose, then you have to double up.

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Mar 23, 2006, 2:27 pm

Quote: Originally posted by bob27 on March 23, 2006
So,your suggesting,if i decide to play 24way boxed numbers you post here,and be guarantee winner,then i need to spend 210$,i for example numbers 3692 come up?
What does it cost for a boxed bet where you play? What is the payout for a boxed win where you play?
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Quote: Originally posted by Raven62 on March 23, 2006
Quote: Originally posted by bob27 on March 23, 2006
So,your suggesting,if i decide to play 24way boxed numbers you post here,and be guarantee winner,then i need to spend 210$,i for example numbers 3692 come up?
What does it cost for a boxed bet where you play? What is the payout for a boxed win where you play?
Wednesday 03/22/06 0-3-2-4 $4586 $642 $55 $6 $191 $107 $107
if you play box here you get half of ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ but for a dollar $$$$$$$$ you win about $5633 that if you hit it ex if you hit it any order you get the last 3 191 107 107
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Mar 23, 2006, 2:52 pm

Take that big list Raven62 just posted and then go back to the begining of the year and using a high lighter cross of all the picks that have been drawn using the remainder of the picks and your states last weeks worth of history look for posible picks that might come out in the next few days.
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Mass
That is if you played them straight, not boxed. Playing them boxed is brutal. You would need to play $5,040 to win that amount, assuming you got a straight - that is, playing at the Mass Lottery terminals, not online.

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Mar 23, 2006, 5:47 pm

Thx for replies.I live in Chicago,and illinois payouts are terrible.This is what i got from Il lottery website:

PICK 4
TYPE OF WAGER	EXAMPLE	ODDS	WIN	WIN
		(IN 10,000)	(50¢ play)	($1 play)
STRAIGHT:	1234	1	$2,500	$5,000
Match 4 numbers in exact order
4-WAY BOX:	1112	4	$600	$1,200
Match 4 numbers, of which three are the same, in any order
6-WAY BOX:	1122	6	$400	$800
Match 4 numbers in any order, consisting of two pairs of identical numbers, in any order
12-WAY BOX:	1123	12	$200	$400
Match 4 numbers of which two are the same, in any order
24-WAY BOX:	1234	24	$100	$200
Match 4 numbers in any order
4-WAY COMBO:	1112	4	$2,500	$5,000
Play all 4 combinations of 4 numbers, of which three are the same, and match in any order			(cost $2)	(cost $4)
6-WAY COMBO:	1122	6	$2,500	$5,000
Play all 6 combinations of 4 numbers consisting of two pairs of identical numbers, and match in any order			(cost $3)	(cost $6)
12-WAY COMBO:	1123	12	$2,500	$5,000
Play all 12 combinations of 4 numbers, of which two are the same, and match in any order			(cost $6)	(cost $12)
24-WAY COMBO:	1234	24	$2,500	$5,000
Play all 24 combinations of 4 numbers, and match in any order			(cost $12)	(cost $24)
4-WAY STRAIGHT/BOX:	1112
Match 4 numbers of which three are the same, in:
exact order or		1	N/A	$3,100
any order		4	N/A	$600
6-WAY STRAIGHT/BOX:	1122
Match 4 numbers, consisting of two pairs of identical numbers, in:
exact order or		1	N/A	$2,900
any order		6	N/A	$400
12-WAY STRAIGHT/BOX:	1123
Match 4 numbers of which two are the same, in:
exact order or		1	N/A	$2,700
any order		12	N/A	$200
24-WAY STRAIGHT/BOX:	1234
Match 4 numbers in:
exact order or		1	N/A	$2,600
any order		24	N/A	$100

So,if i decide to play 1 $ box 24way,i have to spend 210$,and if all numbers are different i get 200$,so it makes no sense to play this way.Only way i double this money,if i play 2 $ box,spending over 400$,which is risky,if a double comes up.I need a list of numbrs,that raven posted here,using only numbers from 2-9.And also,i would like to ask all 24way boxed combination,using numbers from 2-9 for pick 3.thx so much guys

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Bob - play online and use progressive wagering...that is, if you feel comfortable with it. I will be glad to help in any way I can.

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8 number pick-4 wheel (70)

- No Doubles
- No Triples
- No Quads

I will use letters (ABCDEFGH) below and you must replace them with your
own 8 numbers (1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8). If the winning 4 numbers drawn are
within the 8 numbers used, you will have 4 numbers (boxed), but
sometimes you get lucky and will pull a straight!

ABCD ABCE ABCF ABCG ABCH

ABDE ABDF ABDG ABDH ABEF

ABEG ABEH ABFG ABFH ABGH

ACDE ACDF ACDG ACDH ACEF

ACEG ACEH ACFG ACFH ACGH

ADEF ADEG ADEH ADFG ADFH

ADGH AEFG AEFH AEGH AFGH

BCDE BCDF BCDG BCDH BCEF

BCEG BCEH BCFG BCFH BCGH

BDEF BDEG BDEH BDFG BDFH

BDGH BEFG BEFH BEGH BFGH

CDEF CDEG CDEH CDFG CDFH

CDGH CEFG CEFH CEGH CFGH

DEFG DEFH DEGH DFGH EFGH

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