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# Important Discovery

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New Jersey
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It's playable but is it profitable?

On another note I won \$350 at Keno yesterday.  30, 40, 50 and 64!

Yup!

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Claire,

I've had a chance to play with this...personally I've found that it works better if I don't transpose the last two digits. However......

The reason it works well is that it usually gives you seven of the ten digits to play. So you are going to have to wheel 70% of the digits to catch it.  That's 120 boxed combinations out of the 220 possible combinations boxed. You can't play that many and make a profit. Therefore you would have to start filtering to eliminate combinations, and it is very likely you would eliminate the one that hits.

The reason it works well to provide the three digits that hit is purely statistical. It should work and it does.

Hi Badger,

Hmmmmm, ok were you not reversing the last 2 digits for Wisconsin? And it worked better? Because when I was not reversing the last 2 digits in PA I would get at least a pair but then when I reversed I would get the 3 digits. No luck tonight except that the Day Number workout  without reversing this time yielded the 89 pair for Tonight's PA draw which was 869

Hi Claire,

Actually, in WI it didn't work well at all.  But I dismissed that, because nothing ever seems to work well in Wisconsin.

I grabbed the last 30 days worth of draws for four random state midday games and played around with it in those.  Like I said, it did well, and that was without tranposing the last two digits. But, again, it usually produced six-seven separate digits out of the ten possible. So that meant in order to catch the hit, you'd have to wheel all those digits, and that would cost up to 30 bucks/draw online at a quarter a combination.  And if you won, you'd make \$7.50 profit--- and since it didn't manage to hit every day, if you lost just one day, that's 30 bucks in the red, and it would take hits the next four days to get you back to even.

I may look at P3 and P4 differently than a lot of folks.  I do enjoy the challenge, but I am not playing to lose money.  If I didn't show a profit every year I wouldn't keep playing. I consider it my "part time job", and probably spend way too much time on it (20-25 hrs/week) but simply put, if I wanted to spend money that would be lost, I can imagine a lot of other things I would spend it on rather than P3 and P4.

Therefore, what I am saying is that the method you are using is one that produces. However, unless there were some way to filter out a lot of the losing combos without filtering out the winning combo, it would not be a practical method for me, IMHO, because it would be very hard to maintain a profit from it.

There are a lot of methods out there that work. But the arithmetic of profit/loss makes most of them impractical. It's kind of like saying that I can guarantee anyone a straight hit every day if they would only play each of the 1,000 straight  Pick 3 combinations each day.  At twenty-five cents each online, that's a cost of \$250.00 per day to play with a guarantee of a straight hit....which pays \$225.00.  Therefore, you hit straight every day, and lose \$25.00 each day.  So you see, "winning" isn't always "winning".

I keep the pencil sharp and play as few combos as possible.  Like everyone, I miss hits by not playing combos I should have played. But when I lose, I don't lose much...and when I win, it more than makes up for the losses. I'm just not a person that would spend 50 bucks to try and make \$25 on a \$75 double hit. To me, that's too much risk, because the only guarantee in the daily games is that you will have more misses than hits.

Every method is one more tool in the tool chest. That's why I never dismiss any method without playing around with it to see how it does.

Hi Badger,

If it is not working out for you I am the first person to tell you to chuck it in file 13. I surly am not here to help people lose money. I love to see people win, and am here to help with my pre-sighted numbers. The problem is I do not always see numbers for myself and all gifted people can vouch for that. I do get numbers for myself on occasions and I am thankful for that and I am not greedy, but when I saw this working out and got some hits, I thought what the heck why not share it and maybe someone here could use it too or even improve on something I was missing. I am not a good system person; really I have not used them until I discovered this.

I am having fun with it yes, but want people to win money. I advise everyone to do this on paper and watch it and see if it pans out for them before putting money down on the numbers. I have even invited you all to give opinions and I understand your opinion! Believe me I do understand. Honestly, it was working out every day, and I do think it might take a skip so I am going to keep working on it and watching it. The daytime workout even yielded and Night time Draw straight lined up in the work out right in front of my eyes and I found it quite amazing. If it can be used as a tool Wonderful! But really all I am doing is looking at the 8 numbers from the add, minus result and the hits were right in there, I am not wheeling them. I also carry and 9+1 = 10 so when that is in the workout I do bring the 10 down which will give you 9 numbers to view because I noticed if you don't sometimes you will miss a hit if not. I am doing this on paper too...Old School Math LOL

Good Luck To You!
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Lets Play It Again Sam! Today's Work out From Yesterday's PA Mid Day Draw which was 569

I am going to do both workouts 569 as it came in the draw and then revised the last 2 digits reversed which would be 596

Starting with 569

56+  69+  56-  69-

12=   12=  12= 12=

68    81      44  57< There are the numbers you want to look at

Workout for 596< last 2 digits reversed from the Actual draw.

59+  96+  59-  96-

12=  12=  12=  12=

71    108    47    84< Theses are the numbers you want to look at

Shall see if it works today. Also notice that when reversing you do get about the same numbers but except when you do the number as it came you get a 6 and when you reverse it you do not but you get a 0 in there which might be in today's draw again we shall see what happens. Mind you I do carry so If I have made any other mistakes on me math call my attention to it, I am prone to make math mistakes LOL

Good Luck All!

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Last Draw=841 Next Draw=602

841 Permutations=148 184 418 481 814 841

• 1448+1212=2650 Win
• 1448-1212=0236 Win
• 1884+1212=2096 Win
• 1884-1212=0672 Win
• 4118+1212=5320 Lose
• 4118-1212=3906 Lose
• 4881+1212=5093 Lose
• 4881-1212=3679 Lose
• 8114+1212=9326 Lose
• 8114-1212=7902 Lose
• 8441+1212=9653 Lose
• 8441-1212=7239 Lose

Raven - I'm a little confused by this method.  Can you please explain how you are adding a 1, 4 or 8 to the P3 draw?  I assume adding 1212 is another method?

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Last Draw=841 Next Draw=602

841 Permutations=148 184 418 481 814 841

• 1448+1212=2650 Win
• 1448-1212=0236 Win
• 1884+1212=2096 Win
• 1884-1212=0672 Win
• 4118+1212=5320 Lose
• 4118-1212=3906 Lose
• 4881+1212=5093 Lose
• 4881-1212=3679 Lose
• 8114+1212=9326 Lose
• 8114-1212=7902 Lose
• 8441+1212=9653 Lose
• 8441-1212=7239 Lose

Raven - I'm a little confused by this method.  Can you please explain how you are adding a 1, 4 or 8 to the P3 draw?  I assume adding 1212 is another method?

FPBP

Key:
FP=Front Pair
BP=Back Pair

Example:

123=1223

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Badger:

I use Prime Line to filter my results.  If your results don't include one of your key numbers, throw it out.  I use the double line method to determine this. If two lines are running toward 0 or toware 9 you can be assured that your keys will be 012 or 789.  Really pretty easy, but you have to own the program to see it clearly.  It is impossible to set up an example of Prime Line on this forum without cheating the developer.  I use Prime Line for all kinds of uses including determining roots, powerballs, etc.  Very good filter.

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Ahhh!  The old FP/BP!  Now is the 1212 additive just another way to "massage" the number?

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Ahhh! The old FP/BP! Now is the 1212 additive just another way to "massage" the number?

I guess so: Someone that came before us came up with the 1212 as well as the FPBP...

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 ABC AB-12 BC-12 BA-12 CB-12 AB+12 BC+12 BA+12 CB+12 4-15m 856 85 56 58 65 85 56 58 65 4429 73 44 46 53 97 68 70 77 4-14e 828 82 28 28 82 82 28 28 82 9361 70 16 16 70 94 40 40 94 4-14m 802 80 2 20 8 80 2 20 8 4065 68 -10 8 -4 92 14 32 20 4-13e 831 83 31 38 13 83 31 38 13 6043 71 19 26 1 95 43 50 25 4-13m 303 30 3 30 3 30 3 30 3 9410 18 -9 18 -9 42 15 42 15 4-12e 248 24 48 42 84 24 48 42 84 8250 12 36 30 72 36 60 54 96 4-12m 803 80 3 8 30 80 3 8 30 9483 68 -9 -4 18 92 15 20 42

Note, where you see the negative sign ( - ), replace it with a 0 (zero)

Look really close.

What I did was just a breif check between Cash4 and Cash3 for a few nites.

Nothing fancy, nothing complicate. First row shows the main formulas (ABC is the draw number).

If you close enough, you will see that the results will not only reflect the next following cash 3 number, but may also reflect the next cash 4 number.

This seems to work best on the minus side instead of the plus side with an occasional cross between. Also, I realize this creates 16 numbers to look at, but perhaps one may find a usuable pattern if they can expand on this a bit.

BTW, the above is reflective only for GA

Good Luck,

Sir Metro

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I didn't even think about it predicting the cash 4...pretty good. Great work!

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im noy quite understanding  your sysyem with the add minus..could you show me an example by using delaware 236..thanks lesonook

Hello,

Here is the workout for your number 236- reverse last 2 digits is 263

26+  63+  26-  63-

12=  12=  12=  12=

38    75    14    51< Theses are the numbers you want to look for your next draw in

Good Luck, This is a good way to see if it will work for your state.

We Got a Hit.....Delaware Mid Day Today was 357. But This is what I do not understand where did the number 236 come from because I just checked the last 10 draws in Delaware for Mid Day and Night and I did not see 236 anywhere???????

People when you give me a number to work up please make sure its your last draw number (please) because even though we got a hit from this it means nothing because how do we know where the heck this came from even though it worked?
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Lets Play It Again Sam! Today's Work out From Yesterday's PA Mid Day Draw which was 569

I am going to do both workouts 569 as it came in the draw and then revised the last 2 digits reversed which would be 596

Starting with 569

56+  69+  56-  69-

12=   12=  12= 12=

68    81      44  57< There are the numbers you want to look at

Workout for 596< last 2 digits reversed from the Actual draw.

59+  96+  59-  96-

12=  12=  12=  12=

71    108    47    84< Theses are the numbers you want to look at

Shall see if it works today. Also notice that when reversing you do get about the same numbers but except when you do the number as it came you get a 6 and when you reverse it you do not but you get a 0 in there which might be in today's draw again we shall see what happens. Mind you I do carry so If I have made any other mistakes on me math call my attention to it, I am prone to make math mistakes LOL

Good Luck All!

No Winner For PA Day which was 766 we did get the 67 though in the non-reversed workout!!! Grrrrrrrr Gonna Keep Trying!

Guess you could call this a Double Flub LOL Where's Me Other 6 at  we needed LOL!
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Hey Clair,

In Cashman's original proposition of the method at ,

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/127529/11?q=Cashman87

he did say that draws with mirrors such as 835, 617, etc... don't work as well with the +12/-12 workout. Hope it helps. :)

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Badger:

I use Prime Line to filter my results.  If your results don't include one of your key numbers, throw it out.  I use the double line method to determine this. If two lines are running toward 0 or toware 9 you can be assured that your keys will be 012 or 789.  Really pretty easy, but you have to own the program to see it clearly.  It is impossible to set up an example of Prime Line on this forum without cheating the developer.  I use Prime Line for all kinds of uses including determining roots, powerballs, etc.  Very good filter.

Orangeman

Have never heard of Prime Line.  Will do a search for it.

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Hey Clair,

In Cashman's original proposition of the method at ,

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/127529/11?q=Cashman87

he did say that draws with mirrors such as 835, 617, etc... don't work as well with the +12/-12 workout. Hope it helps. :)

Kola,

Will go look at that thank you, maybe that will solve the skip problem.

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