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Posted: July 13, 2006, 10:20 am - IP Logged

Oh okay...my wife took courses at Brouhard Jewelry School there a few years ago.

The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:

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    Please do not let my WV Cash 25 predictions help you form a basis for workability of EL. As I said before, anybody can get good result with Cash 25 without EL. It is the other larger pool lottos that would make the difference and I have not been able to do very well with them using EL.

    PadawanLotto:

    That's an interesting point. Since you've brought it up, hopefully you'll provide your opinion of the answer.

    Do you believe you'd be where you are on list of Top 10 Predictors if you were not using Expert Lotto, but were predicting daily?

    Do you believe you wouldn't be where you are on the list of Top 10 Predictors if you were testing Expert Lotto on a different game than WV?

     

    If the answer to either of those questions is yes it should help anyone considering buying the system to understand your appraisal of it.

    To the first question, yes, because I got there by predicting combinations for WV Cash 25. For the WV Cash 25 all you need to do is choose the top 16 numbers by occurrence, 8008 combinations, filter for the most common occurrence of odd/even, low/high, and sum range. Take the combinations that you are left with and wheel them with a 4if6 (around 195 combinations) or a 3if6 (around 46 combinations) and you should get some good results. The advantage that EL offers at this point is the Best Ticket filter where you can reduce the combinations down even farther to an amount to fit the individuals budget. Also you can filter out 0 or more numbers from past combinations so no of your new combinations will contain all of the number from the last drawing, you can do this for one or more of the past drawings.

    To the second question, that would be up in the air as the only strategy that I have been using and working with is the WN History for my predictions and I haven't been doing very well with it. But who's to say that I even know what I'm doing while working with this strategy, there may be others that can work it better than I can.

    The WN History strategy is the signature strategy of EL but, the other analysis, information, and filters that are offered are very user friendly and it is up to the individual to develop their own strategy that works best for them. One of the things that works against most people when developing a strategy for play is that the first time it doesn't work they tend to change their strategy and miss again. Strategies should be based on common occurrences and played faithfully. It's like setting a trap, you don't always catch your prey the first time out.

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      No. I don't intend to buy the software.

      Jack



      After hypeing the results, of E.L. you won't buy it?

      You said it was the best here at LP, yet you won't buy it. Why?

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        The truth is most commercial lottery software is general written to cover many lotteries to appeal to the most customers (one size fit all), at best they are only a tool.  Many of the same things can be done using a spreadsheet program and text files as Padawanlotto suggested.  I prefer to use a program I wrote myself using GWBasic because I know how it works and I can make changes to it when ever I come up with some better ideas.  I agree with Padawanlotto that the best thing a person can do is to develop a good strategy and know how to use all the features of a good lottery/data program.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
                     Evil Looking       

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          Posted: July 13, 2006, 4:00 pm - IP Logged

          The only problem with using the profit ratio results in the WV Cash25 game is that it is an unusual game (6/25 and the only one of its kind in the country) and the payouts are different here at LP than in real life.

          You can't compare apples to apples except to compare the stats on WV pick 6 games. Padawanlotto is still doing well in that department. In that analysis we ARE comparing apples to apples.

          Credibility for Expert Lotto must be granted on that criteria and the program has not been debunked. In fact, having played that game for eight months or so, I'd say he and Expert Lotto are doing pretty well.

          There's other methods and other ways to win that particular game but when you're all playing the same game by the same rules, it's a fair game and as good as any for a test of different methods of play regarless of payouts on LP.

          Personally I love the matrix of the game. The real payouts suck as bad as any Pick 5 or 6 game but the layout of the game is cool nonetheless.

          Padawanlotto, thanks for your work testing Expert Lotto and thanks to the Expert Lotto folks for having the gonads to let their system be tested publicly on the biggest lottery forum on the internet. That in itself is a first and a testament of faith in their product.

          Any debunkers have the opportunity to pit themselves against Expert Lotto on the WV Cash 25 game.

          Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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            No. I don't intend to buy the software.

            Jack



            After hypeing the results, of E.L. you won't buy it?

            You said it was the best here at LP, yet you won't buy it. Why?

            • The test results say it's the best system being tested on LP.

              Padawan's ridden it to the top of the top 10 list.

              Padawan's also expressed a number of reservations about it.

              He thinks his success mightn't have anything to do with Expert Lotto.

              He thinks maybe he'd be at the top of the Top 10 list just by virtue of being a competent predictor, which is a trait not many LP members share.

              He thinks his success might be a combination of his skills minus EL, his skills using EL, and the game he selected to test it on.

              He has serious reservations about whether the system would work as well on a different matrix game.


              I want to win lotteries and understand random number behavior. I don't want to spend money buying software that mightn't be of any benefit to me in accomplishing that end.

              If others assess their needs, their goals, their financial situation, their motives for buying a piece of software differently, that's their business.

              What I buy, or don't buy, is my own.

              Jack


            Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

            It's about number behavior.

            Egos don't count.

             

            Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

             

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              Posted: July 13, 2006, 4:24 pm - IP Logged

              Hopefully some of the people who feel moved to buy the EL software will take the next step toward testing the capabilities of it here.

              Padawan's demonstrated it's a spectacular success when it's used by him for one game. It satisfies the claims Jacques made here within the confines of these relatively narrowly defined conditions.

              That's good enough, if that's all we get. Padawan's broken new ground in just performing the test in a public setting.

              The next step, if there's to be one, ought to be for someone to test it on tougher games. Better yet, for several someones to test it on tougher games.

              Novice testers, middling competent testers, expert predictors (by LP standards) testing the system would certainly leave the field with a lot less dust in the air and fewer questions as to the general (and specific) capabilities of Expert Lotto.

              But we've got what we've got, and it seems to me what we've got is something Padawan, Expert Lotto, Todd, and every member of LP ought to be cheering about. Proud of.

              Hells bells.

              Something actually got done here. Something new and fresh and different. Something positive.

              Jack

              Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

              It's about number behavior.

              Egos don't count.

               

              Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

               

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                "L@@Kin" for "A"  No.  #!!!!!!!111111111111"

                with ,,,,,,,,????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"any software program"........

                to try & predict a PICK_%%%%%%%%%555555555555555555555555555

                on a consist...................BASIC  of hitting a 3 0f 5 or a 4 Of 5............????????

                is this a Problem???????????????????????"MABY A % of % 5555555555555

                "U-WHO........hit JACKPOT.........(but, it was only....a Pick-5)

                 using:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

                software.........FROM thheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeof XYZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

                AS ADVERTISED: ..........................................ON THE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                 

                "LOTTERY POST"...........................................when  U>>>>FIND a HiTTT!!!!!!!

                "ADVERTISE">>>>>>>>>>>>>YOUR>>>>>>>>>>>>WEAR$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                LOL

                PSYKOMO 

                 

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                  OK, Expert Lotto's Winning Numbers History strategy can, does, and will work, it is possible if you meet the right conditions. The strategy is setup based on 11 different views of past occurrence. Each one of the 11 views has a sum value based on where each number drawn came from in conjunction with where it was last drawn, this forms the sums and the movement differences. The object is to make an educated guess how much each of the 11 sums will increase or decrease in value in the next drawing. You have a margin of error in your estimates but, the wider the range the more combinations that you will end up with. You can keep your estimates within +/-10 and still have a large number of combinations due to having 1 or more of your estimates off line with the other estimates.

                  There are tables that show you where the numbers were last drawn. There is a table that shows you the past history of sums and differences. There is a simulator that can give you an estimate of probability whether the sum value will go up or down based on statistics of past drawings and show the sum average of each of the 11 views.

                  Where things get difficult is when unexpected numbers are drawn that throw the sum value of one or more of the 11 views off in the opposite direction or a number that has gone a long period of time with out being drawn is drawn causing the sum value to drop considerably be beyond your expectations and your estimates. On the other hand the numbers drawn may all come from within the last 2 to 5 drawings which would make the sum value increase above and beyond your expectations and your estimates.

                  It is common for a lotto that has a large pool of numbers to go into the negatives well into the -60's range also at the other end of the rainbow the sum values can go into the +40's or more depending on the lotto that you're playing. Most of the sum values will move within the -15 to +15 range or lower but you never know which one will shoot off into the extreme +/- ranges.

                  These are the difficulties to over come with the Winning Numbers History strategy but, if you have estimated the correct sum ranges for the next drawing you will have all of the numbers drawn on one line unless you filtered them out by using other basic filters along with the WN History filter.

                  The point is that the Winning Numbers History does work. The problem is making the correct sum value estimates to get it to work for you.

                  I don't know if Expert Lotto was designed around one game although most of the examples a 6/49 based but, there are enough variables to compensate for any lotto game excluding pick 3 and pick 4.

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                    "L@@Kin" for "A"  No.  #!!!!!!!111111111111"

                    with ,,,,,,,,????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"any software program"........

                    to try & predict a PICK_%%%%%%%%%555555555555555555555555555

                    on a consist...................BASIC  of hitting a 3 0f 5 or a 4 Of 5............????????

                    is this a Problem???????????????????????"MABY A % of % 5555555555555

                    "U-WHO........hit JACKPOT.........(but, it was only....a Pick-5)

                     using:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

                    software.........FROM thheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeof XYZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

                    AS ADVERTISED: ..........................................ON THE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                     

                    "LOTTERY POST"...........................................when  U>>>>FIND a HiTTT!!!!!!!

                    "ADVERTISE">>>>>>>>>>>>>YOUR>>>>>>>>>>>>WEAR$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                    LOL

                    PSYKOMO 

                     

                    "SORRY.......................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    I.........(KANT HELP UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU)

                    try you're............local computer & SOFTWARE..............STOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    STORE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<SIRRRRRRRRRRRR

                    You may FIND a GREAT PICK-%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%55555

                    Program on the internettttttttttttt.......LIKE ........."LOTTERY POST"!!!!!!!!!

                    "Sometimes...............they give-away.......space

                    to VENDOR'ssssssssssssssssssss who CLAIM to be GREAT?????????????

                    LOL

                    PSYKOMO 

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                      The only problem with using the profit ratio results in the WV Cash25 game is that it is an unusual game (6/25 and the only one of its kind in the country) and the payouts are different here at LP than in real life.

                      You can't compare apples to apples except to compare the stats on WV pick 6 games. Padawanlotto is still doing well in that department. In that analysis we ARE comparing apples to apples.

                      Credibility for Expert Lotto must be granted on that criteria and the program has not been debunked. In fact, having played that game for eight months or so, I'd say he and Expert Lotto are doing pretty well.

                      There's other methods and other ways to win that particular game but when you're all playing the same game by the same rules, it's a fair game and as good as any for a test of different methods of play regarless of payouts on LP.

                      Personally I love the matrix of the game. The real payouts suck as bad as any Pick 5 or 6 game but the layout of the game is cool nonetheless.

                      Padawanlotto, thanks for your work testing Expert Lotto and thanks to the Expert Lotto folks for having the gonads to let their system be tested publicly on the biggest lottery forum on the internet. That in itself is a first and a testament of faith in their product.

                      Any debunkers have the opportunity to pit themselves against Expert Lotto on the WV Cash 25 game.

                      "Any debunkers have the opportunity to pit themselves against Expert Lotto on the WV Cash 25 game."



                      Rick:

                      It's going to be interesting to watch the results a while to give the 'debunkers' a shot at it.

                      Meanwhile, hopefully Padawan's converting the money he's winning in dollars US Imaginary into whatever's the nearest alternative in the real thing.

                      The only games available to me are NM Roadrunner, and PB. As the poem we all learned as kids said, "The former was a puddin and the latter was a fake."

                      That NM 5/34 game is such an anomaly I can't make heads or tails of it. Unless I figure out something about it that makes sense, I'm stuck with PB. And I have a feeling old Godzilla Powerball ain't gonna get whupped by any piece of software.

                      So, I spin my wheels trying to find some way NM RR behaves that might cause me to believe it's honest, but only insane.

                      Jack

                      Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                      It's about number behavior.

                      Egos don't count.

                       

                      Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                       

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                        "L@@Kin" for "A"  No.  #!!!!!!!111111111111"

                        with ,,,,,,,,????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"any software program"........

                        to try & predict a PICK_%%%%%%%%%555555555555555555555555555

                        on a consist...................BASIC  of hitting a 3 0f 5 or a 4 Of 5............????????

                        is this a Problem???????????????????????"MABY A % of % 5555555555555

                        "U-WHO........hit JACKPOT.........(but, it was only....a Pick-5)

                         using:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

                        software.........FROM thheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeof XYZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

                        AS ADVERTISED: ..........................................ON THE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                         

                        "LOTTERY POST"...........................................when  U>>>>FIND a HiTTT!!!!!!!

                        "ADVERTISE">>>>>>>>>>>>>YOUR>>>>>>>>>>>>WEAR$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                        LOL

                        PSYKOMO 

                         

                        "SORRY.......................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        I.........(KANT HELP UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU)

                        try you're............local computer & SOFTWARE..............STOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        STORE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

                        You may FIND a GREAT PICK-%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%55555

                        Program on the internettttttttttttt.......LIKE ........."LOTTERY POST"!!!!!!!!!

                        "Sometimes...............they give-away.......space

                        to VENDOR'ssssssssssssssssssss who CLAIM to be GREAT?????????????

                        LOL

                        PSYKOMO 

                        "stand-tall"...........................all soft$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$preducer'''''''''''''sssssssssssssssssss

                        WHERE>>>>>>>>>>>is your VALUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE..............................

                        Thankssssssssssssssss

                        GooooooooooooooHIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        "but, don't LIE to "LP" member"s

                        lol

                        psykomo 

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                          That guy is really unusual.



                          Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                          It's about number behavior.

                          Egos don't count.

                           

                          Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                           

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                            we all ought to type like that and people will think we all never left the barn. osley5

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                              The only problem with using the profit ratio results in the WV Cash25 game is that it is an unusual game (6/25 and the only one of its kind in the country) and the payouts are different here at LP than in real life.

                              You can't compare apples to apples except to compare the stats on WV pick 6 games. Padawanlotto is still doing well in that department. In that analysis we ARE comparing apples to apples.

                              Credibility for Expert Lotto must be granted on that criteria and the program has not been debunked. In fact, having played that game for eight months or so, I'd say he and Expert Lotto are doing pretty well.

                              There's other methods and other ways to win that particular game but when you're all playing the same game by the same rules, it's a fair game and as good as any for a test of different methods of play regarless of payouts on LP.

                              Personally I love the matrix of the game. The real payouts suck as bad as any Pick 5 or 6 game but the layout of the game is cool nonetheless.

                              Padawanlotto, thanks for your work testing Expert Lotto and thanks to the Expert Lotto folks for having the gonads to let their system be tested publicly on the biggest lottery forum on the internet. That in itself is a first and a testament of faith in their product.

                              Any debunkers have the opportunity to pit themselves against Expert Lotto on the WV Cash 25 game.

                              "Any debunkers have the opportunity to pit themselves against Expert Lotto on the WV Cash 25 game."



                              Rick:

                              It's going to be interesting to watch the results a while to give the 'debunkers' a shot at it.

                              Meanwhile, hopefully Padawan's converting the money he's winning in dollars US Imaginary into whatever's the nearest alternative in the real thing.

                              The only games available to me are NM Roadrunner, and PB. As the poem we all learned as kids said, "The former was a puddin and the latter was a fake."

                              That NM 5/34 game is such an anomaly I can't make heads or tails of it. Unless I figure out something about it that makes sense, I'm stuck with PB. And I have a feeling old Godzilla Powerball ain't gonna get whupped by any piece of software.

                              So, I spin my wheels trying to find some way NM RR behaves that might cause me to believe it's honest, but only insane.

                              Jack

                              Jack,

                              Just can't see you playing Powerball. I think your celestial thing could catch the Roadrunner a lot easier. You got Indiana...Get the sextant out.

                              Psychomo...you're the man! (Gotta give us a dictionary for some of that, but you're my favorite Psychomo!)

                              Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).