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Posted: July 25, 2006, 8:35 pm - IP Logged

Here in East Tennessee where I live I went to an APPCO store yesterday and a new book of $2.00 jumbo books was just activated. Started scratching and not getting anything after buying 85 tickets I purchased 10 more and was scratching them off when the store manager came out and asked the clerk if anything had been paid on the jumbo bucks. She knew I was the only one that had bought any.When she found out that nothing had come off she bought 5 tickets. When I saw that she had 2 winners lying there she covered 1 of them up with a basket. I asked her what she won and she said just a ticket. I asked her about the one under the basket and she said it was just a $50.00 winner. Another customer came in and she was showing it to him and I looked and it was a $500.00 winner. Then she proceeded to lye and say it was from a different book and showed me a check stub she said she paid it with. After looking I asked clerk to see the ticket and matched it up by serial numbers to the same roll I was pulling. This isn't the 1st time she has won more $500.00 and all other customers combined. But she always take them somewhere else to cash them in or makes checks to someone else. By the way the guy she made the check to didn't know a thing about it. Sort of helps playing when you are the only that knows what comes off a book.

WOULD YOU REPORT HER?

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    Posted: July 25, 2006, 8:47 pm - IP Logged

    So many people have claimed that a store knows which scratch-off tickets are winners and which are not, but the clerks I ask say that's not true. I have absolutely no idea. However, if you believe this woman is committing an act of fraud or theft, then by all means report her. You can probably do this anonymously, although you will need some kind of proof, which is important any time you file an accusation. If you feel strongly that she is cheating, there might be an investigation into the matter. Since it's not illegal for a store manager to buy lottery tickets AFAIK then you need to prove deception for profit on her part.  I'm not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV) but that's just my humble opinion since you asked.

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      Posted: July 25, 2006, 8:48 pm - IP Logged

      It is probably not against lottery rules about retailers or employees playing scratchers.

      It is obvious that it is to their advantage when they know if there has been a payout or not.

      Unethical or not is how you  you look at it.

      I would be P***ed If I was scratchin and someone got a winner before I made another purchase on that scratcher.

      Just like steppin away from a slot machine and the player next to you was watchin your machine also and then jumped on your machine and hit somethin.

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        Posted: July 25, 2006, 8:52 pm - IP Logged

        Yea, that would make me a little angry too. Maybe employee's have a little advantage. Maybe not. I really don't know.

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          Posted: July 25, 2006, 9:08 pm - IP Logged

          Yes, the store employees have a bit of an advantage if:

          they are watching the tickets closely and if:

          the scratching is going on at the store so they can keep up with it.

          I would if I worked there .....

          I surf the "meet the winners" page on the GA Lottery website and it never ceases to amaze me just how many Pakistani's win on scratchers, but as a rule, these are not gambling people. They own a lot of stores, so they certainly have access to what's going on in regards to winners and losers.

          Please don't label me ...I am just stating a fact. I never see them scratching but yet they win quite a bit- perhaps they only do it when they feel that there is an advantage and there's no law against that. 

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            Posted: July 25, 2006, 9:29 pm - IP Logged

            Yes, I guess they do have an advantage. They can see a streak of losing tickets and then dive in and buy  their tickets. I guess in casinos you could keep an eye on machine which hasn't hit in a while and go for the kill.  Myself, I thought it was against the law for empoyees to buy tickets where they work.Yea, I don't think thats fair. People who walk in from the street don't have that advantage, so I guess I would say its unfair.   Sorry, I said many words, which don't say much.  Later............................................

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              Posted: July 26, 2006, 1:33 am - IP Logged

              Report her for what? Buying lottery tickets? If you don't buy them they're still for sale. If you think letting them know whether or not you had any winners is helpful and you don't want to give them that help, take your tickets somewhere else to scratch them.

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                Posted: July 26, 2006, 5:34 am - IP Logged

                It was probably a simple logic for the store manager to see that there must be prizes on the remaining 5 tickets since you didn't win anything on the 95 you bought.

                If they're allowed to buy tickets,  it's a waste of time reporting her.

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                  Posted: July 26, 2006, 9:55 am - IP Logged

                  I do agree! I use to go to three different stores and then I found out that the owners wife was looking in the trash behind the counter and looking at the ticket logs so she knew the winners and the ones that have not won. I use to ask him if anyone had won latley and he use to tell me yeah my wife won right after you left like 50,100,75, man that would really make me mad. I stopped going to that store just because of that reason. I dont belive that they can tell the winners from the ones that dont win but they can tell if a roll has had any good winners on it and play from there. They are not suppose to be able to buy tickets tell they get off. They can play the numbers but not the tickets.


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                    Posted: July 26, 2006, 11:45 am - IP Logged

                    while winning scratch tickets can be found anywhere in a book or roll of tickets. most store owners know that the majority of the winning tickets are either in the front, middle, or end of the book/roll. it doesn't take rocket science for them to keep an eye on who's buying tickets and from which part of the packs have been sold or claimed. Also if the odds say one in three is a winner doesn't mean if you buy six tickets that you'll get 2 winners out of six tickets. this information is misleading. As there can be 3 winners in a row and 12 tickets in a row that will have no winners at all. Since most people scratch their tickets in the store the operator can keep track of winners versus looser's and cash in on opportunities by buying tickets after some people toss looser's.

                    what's disturbing is some store owners take the first 5, the middle 5 and last 5 tickets off of a book/roll even before they sell the first ticket of a pack. I saw it happening a few times and on one occasion at another store i bought ten tickets and there was 5 tickets missing in the series of tickets. so i got tickets 24 - 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 When i asked what happened to tickets 25 26 27 28 29 she acted like what you talking about i said the tickets come in series and she said someone bought tickets a while ago and didn't want one and gave it back. yea right i said. While looking a a pile of tickets she was scratching at her work station.

                    So it's probably best to keep and eye out for stuff like this so you don't get ripped off. If you know the operator scratches tickets for themselves then you can automatically assume they are fleecing some tickets from the packs.

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                      Posted: July 26, 2006, 12:05 pm - IP Logged

                      As long as she paid for them , there is nothing wrong with them playing.

                      I will try to lead people to the tickets that haven't hit..

                      If someone buys the $5. and gets losers.. say  4 in a row... then quits on the ticket and leaves, I do buy the next one..

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                        Posted: July 28, 2006, 8:18 am - IP Logged

                        As long as she paid for them , there is nothing wrong with them playing.

                        I will try to lead people to the tickets that haven't hit..

                        If someone buys the $5. and gets losers.. say  4 in a row... then quits on the ticket and leaves, I do buy the next one..

                        I don't work at a store,but if I did,and I saw 4-5 losers in a row,why not buy the next one,I think most if not all of us would do the same,so I agree with tntea..peace

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                          Posted: July 28, 2006, 8:30 am - IP Logged

                          I am a store manager and personally i don't play scratch tickets but i do tell customers which ones have not hit on my shift. As far as playing them nobody knows where the winners are so i guess the managers odds would be just good as anyone elses, but i don't think she should play them while on duty!!!

                          when i purchase my daily 3 tickets i always buy them from the other person on duty!!

                          also i would not cut into someone else playing the scratch tickets if i did play!!

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                            Posted: July 28, 2006, 7:03 pm - IP Logged

                            Report her for what? Buying lottery tickets? If you don't buy them they're still for sale. If you think letting them know whether or not you had any winners is helpful and you don't want to give them that help, take your tickets somewhere else to scratch them.

                            I totally agree. Take them somewhere ELSE and scratch them off ! I find it personally VERY annoying to have someone "hanging a round" a store scratching off massive numbers of tickets (he said he spent $170 on these tickets) when it is a place of business, and people are there to buy OTHER things besides lottery scratch offs.

                            It's no different than a slot machine. You play and get nothing, you leave, the next person is entitled to get whatever comes out. I don't care if the guy wants to buy a whole ROLL of those tickets....don't stand around in the way of everyone else while scratching them off !

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                              Posted: July 28, 2006, 11:02 pm - IP Logged

                              I Agree!I agree with many of the above comments. I was only saying that if someone suspects fraud at a store and has some evidence, I see no harm in reporting it to the Lottery Commission.  Like tntea I might want to take a chance and buy from a roll that hasn't hit if I worked behind a counter and if I played scratch tickets. One time I was at Publix and they had a great sale on their fudge, creamcheese brownies. When the cashier scanned my purchase she asked if there were many left. I said "I only saw one other box" and ran back to get it for her.  Cashier or customer, brownies or lottery tickets...why not? I read Bill's original post as a complaint about a manager who was doing something fishy.

                              Now that I'm on this thread again, I realize he was scratching a lot of tickets at a store and kept buying more. Since we're on the subject of scratch tickets, I also want to add my vote and agree that scratching at the counter is annoying. When I bought my Lotto tickets Wed, there was a man at the market scratching his little fingers to the bone, but as the song says, all he got were bony fingers. After he scratched a few tickets, he bought a few more, scratched them and bought more.  In the middle of my transaction he said to the clerk, give me 2 more of (whatever) To people who practice this method of purchasing scratchers, once you make your purchase - Arrivederci! Au revoir! Adios! Sayonara! Adieu! Auf Wiedersehen! See ya later!  At least they should get back in line.