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Posted: September 29, 2006, 10:57 pm - IP Logged

Internet Gambling Bill passes Senate attached to Port Security Bill

written September 29, 2006

Republican leaders reach a port security conference deal and the Internet Gambling bill also was included and passed tonight.

A major maritime security bill headed to the House floor tonight with a last-minute provision that cracked down on the $12 billion online gambling industry but without other controversial additions, such as court security measures and protections for phone companies that cooperate with government wiretapping, House Homeland Security Chairman King told CongressDaily today.

King earlier said the text of the conference report had been completed and would be  brought to the House floor tonight for a vote. House and Senate Republican leaders were trying earlier today to attach last-minute measures to the bill. The only one that survived was from Senate Majority Leader Frist that would crack down on Internet gambling, King said.

Sadly, a bill to make 361 seaports safer from biological, chemical or nuclear attacks was passed tonight in the House and Senate. Democrats complained it shorted security for railroads and mass transit. Republicans successfully added a measure to restrict Internet gambling.

The bottom line is that the our government has now passed a bill making Internet gambling a crime for both the operator and any individual or institution involved in online gambling.

All that's left is for the President to sign it before it becomes law.

George Orwell had it right over 20 years ago when he wrote, "1984."

"Big Brother" is indeed watching you.

God bless America, land of the free?

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    Posted: September 29, 2006, 11:08 pm - IP Logged

    Gee, what a shock.

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      Posted: September 30, 2006, 10:31 am - IP Logged

      It's against the law to jaywalk. It's against the law to do many things. There are so many laws out there now that they aren't all being enforced. Enforcement is the key, and there is already no room in the prisons. With all the govt has to chase after, I really doubt they are going to start putting little  old ladies in jail for playing 25 cent bets on lotto. Besides which, from what I understand, the law will make credit card companies not allow direct payments to online gambling sites.

      So what has changed? I know that there are already many legitimate third party organizations out there now that will take your credit card order and they are not online gambling, but they will allow you to tranfser the amount to a gambling website. Voila! No law breaking there.

      There is money involved. And you can't police the Internet. The govt, in spite of its' "feel good" appearance, is really just p*ssed off because they aren't getting their share of the pie (i.e. taxes) from all this money being spent.  They aren't doing it for any altruistic reason. It's all about the money. Our politicians never saw a dollar they couldn't try and confiscate for some stupid pork project. They overspend and overspend, and then they tell us we should budget ourselves scrupuously.

      Now the buggers have adjorned so they can go to their districts and remind everyone they are still breathing. Got to love elections years. It's the only time the politicians actually pay attention to their constituencies. But only because they need to save their cushy, well-paid jobs. The rest of their terms, you never hear from them.  But now I know I can expect mailings from people I didn't even know existed, telling me how great a job they have been doing. FAH !

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        Posted: September 30, 2006, 12:55 pm - IP Logged

        We're free in most respects, compared to folks in third world countries, and most arab countries, but nothing will ever be changed here until an overthrow of the gov't - and that's not going to happen.

         

        It ticks me off that we pay SS tax, Medicare tax, Withholding tax on our checks, and THEN we pay an income tax at the end of the year, but in-between we pay car taxes, house taxes, taxes on most everything we buy, most every service we hire for, I mean, there is NOTHING you can do that is not taxed or has a 'fee' in some way.  And we have NO say in the matter(s) whatsoever.  I don't recall any of my Senators or Congressmen asking their constituents (us, those that elected them) our thoughts on ANYTHING, they just do what serves THEM.

         

        And it only gets worse every year... 

         

        Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. 

         

        I ranted... 

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          Posted: September 30, 2006, 1:10 pm - IP Logged

          It's against the law to jaywalk. It's against the law to do many things. There are so many laws out there now that they aren't all being enforced. Enforcement is the key, and there is already no room in the prisons. With all the govt has to chase after, I really doubt they are going to start putting little  old ladies in jail for playing 25 cent bets on lotto. Besides which, from what I understand, the law will make credit card companies not allow direct payments to online gambling sites.

          So what has changed? I know that there are already many legitimate third party organizations out there now that will take your credit card order and they are not online gambling, but they will allow you to tranfser the amount to a gambling website. Voila! No law breaking there.

          There is money involved. And you can't police the Internet. The govt, in spite of its' "feel good" appearance, is really just p*ssed off because they aren't getting their share of the pie (i.e. taxes) from all this money being spent.  They aren't doing it for any altruistic reason. It's all about the money. Our politicians never saw a dollar they couldn't try and confiscate for some stupid pork project. They overspend and overspend, and then they tell us we should budget ourselves scrupuously.

          Now the buggers have adjorned so they can go to their districts and remind everyone they are still breathing. Got to love elections years. It's the only time the politicians actually pay attention to their constituencies. But only because they need to save their cushy, well-paid jobs. The rest of their terms, you never hear from them.  But now I know I can expect mailings from people I didn't even know existed, telling me how great a job they have been doing. FAH !

          Very good post Badger.  It's a good idea to separate hysteria from fact, and I think you successfully did just that.

           

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            Posted: September 30, 2006, 2:18 pm - IP Logged

            There are just way too many people doing gambling online at too many sites, they can make or try to make examples of a very few of them and if that happens some will stop gambling, but very many won't, that is a law that at this point probably can't be enforced, besides there are some many loop-holes, a very dedicated Internet gambler who is making a lot of money and knows what he or she is doing won't stop, it is so easy to move to a border city at the other side and to do Internet gambling from there if it is not illegal in that country, get an account with an ISP from that country, open a bank account there, rent a place there and then go about your gambling business from there, come across the border for a day or two every once in a while, or somebody from other country can do the betting for you, but if I was you I would just get an encrypted Internet connection use a secure  non Windows OS and a secure non MS browser use an Internet Alias, open an account in another country, use a long chain of annonimous encrypted proxy servers and then go about my Internet gambling business as usual, that is if I  was a gambler and making lots of money doing it.

            Hell, if you  are really making lots of money gambling on the Internet, you can then afford to live in 2 countries 6 months in each every year.

            There are other options I am sure. 

            Also maybe both wireless and long distance ISP connections might be best to use and if there are many relays in between then even better.

            There is also a very possible remote control Internet technique, but I won't talk about that one.

            Let us keep at least 1 thing secret.

            This almost sounds like the script for an intrigue or spy novel. 

            Good luck. 

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            Maybe sometime in the future I might come back as LANTERN again, but maybe not, if I don't come back as LANTERN in the future then I won't come back at all, but as I said there is no more EXCALIBUR.

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              Posted: September 30, 2006, 2:45 pm - IP Logged

              I don't know the fine print of this bill, but it appears to me they may as well shut down all horse racing venues now, because most of them rely on internet gambling to stay open.

               

              I wonder if I can gamble on penny stocks in the stock market anymore ? 

               

              Excalibur - I guess folks will have to buy satellite internet connections now ? 

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                Very good post Badger.  It's a good idea to separate hysteria from fact, and I think you successfully did just that.

                Well, thank you Todd.  I just "spoke" what I believe.

                I didn't, but could have added another great example of the govt when it tries to curb things on the Internet.  Let us not forget the wonderful job they have done at eliminating Internet pornography websites, after all their posturing about those in the past. Green laugh

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                  Posted: September 30, 2006, 3:06 pm - IP Logged

                  Buying stocks can also be taken as one more form of gambling, but with so many crooks out there buying anything on the Internet is a gamble.

                  How many avenues into the internet are there?

                  There are still other ways of telecommunications other than the Internet, some use phone lines and others use "radio" waves, such as short-waves with and without computers, with and without relays, digital and non digital, encrypted and non encrypted.

                  If the problem is ISPs then get your old Commodore 64 out and a long distance connection and communicate in that way with the Online gambling places, but it can also be done with any Pc and a communication program.

                  Non Internet Pc to Pc communications can still be done with any Pc and a site can be both Internet and as an old and regular Computer Bulleting Board, using X-term or some other such. 

                  I remember well my old Compuserve days, I downloaded a lot of C-64 programs from there, at $6 an hour. Incredible? Yes.

                  Fernando. 

                  EXCALIBUR is no more that "Handle" is dead, gone.
                  Maybe sometime in the future I might come back as LANTERN again, but maybe not, if I don't come back as LANTERN in the future then I won't come back at all, but as I said there is no more EXCALIBUR.

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                    Posted: September 30, 2006, 3:33 pm - IP Logged

                    HA!  But I wouldn't know about that.... Smile

                     

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                      Posted: October 1, 2006, 9:29 pm - IP Logged

                      Well, thank you Todd.  I just "spoke" what I believe.

                      I didn't, but could have added another great example of the govt when it tries to curb things on the Internet.  Let us not forget the wonderful job they have done at eliminating Internet pornography websites, after all their posturing about those in the past. Green laugh

                      wow. now that's an election year blast from the past. LOL  what upsets me is they use a legitimate issue (stopping kiddie porn) to ram through a suspect issue (dismantling the constitution and any concept of right to privacy and right to dissent).

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                        Posted: October 1, 2006, 9:58 pm - IP Logged

                        How much is it going to cost us taxpayers for them to enforce this bill?  How much privacy is the American citizen going to lose over this bill?

                        If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

                        You never know when you will get another hit.

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                          I am sure someone will come up with a solution if the govt tries to enforce this. Someone will develop a program that anonymyzes a person on the internet. Too many bright people out there for this bill to affect too many gamblers.

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                            Posted: October 2, 2006, 1:18 am - IP Logged

                            As far as sports gambling and lottery stuff goes, it will be where you put money in an account, and then tell someone else to bet on your behalf, but if it's online Poker or games where you have seconds to place a bet or ante up, that would appear to be done.

                             

                            Then again, hey - maybe they will hire me at $100,000 a year to keep an eye on all of YOU folks out here !   LOL 

                             

                            This stupifies me, as I just can't tell the difference between gambling in Vegas and gambling online - it's all money.

                            Oh yeah - I forgot - 'terrorists' play poker all night and make money off of us, cash in, and buy bombs and rockets with their winnings.

                            Yeah - that's it. 

                             

                            Letsee, last time I checked that can't keep drugs out of the country, illegals from WALKING into this country, counterfeit stuff from entering the country, or porn off the internet,  but they WILL be able to stop online gambling.......... uh-huh........ 

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                              Posted: October 2, 2006, 3:36 am - IP Logged

                              Your ISP won't encrypt and anonymize your internet connection, but you can buy programs that will encrypt your connection and route it thru a chain of anonymous proxy servers that will hide your true IP number or whatever and from where your connection originated.

                              But I read that if your ISP and or the government want(s) to follow you that they can and that they would be able to tell where you have been on the internet.

                              They say that the weakest point is at the ISP level, they say that they can set-up a black box there to record everything that you do on the Internet, they also say that the government has programs such as one called "Carnivore" with which they either get into your computer with, firewall or not and or find you where-ever you might be on the Internet.

                              Besides all Windows' operating systems are said to be made by Microsoft with "BackDoors", one is given to the government and the other one Microsoft keeps to itself.

                              There also are many things that identify each particular computer, but I can't remember any of those things right now, but I seem to remember that some are from the software including Internet Explorer and some are from the hardware including your hard drive(s) which has (Have) both software and hardware identifying it or them.

                              Some software developers use these things as antipiracy tools among other things such as encrypting and or scrambling their softwares' code.

                              Any-way you could try using software of the kind of "Triangle Boy" and or "JAP", I don't know if those program would help any or not, better just get a "Regular" encrypted and anonymous connection to the Internet thru a commercial program and company that does that.

                              As I said before, if you know how to win lots of money gambling on the Internet then why not just move to the border across to the other side and do your Internet gambling from there, but open a bank account there and hire an ISP from that country as your entry into the Internet, you then will no longer be an american gambling on the Internet from inside the USA.

                              You then will have to go by the laws of that other country instead.

                              That is just one of several possible ways to deal with this, but this is not worth doing for most people only for those that can win enough money gambling on the Internet.

                              I myself have not bothered with doing any of those or other such things yet.

                              Some people win playing on their own state off the Internet so it is possible to win in that way. 

                              Good luck.

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                              EXCALIBUR is no more that "Handle" is dead, gone.
                              Maybe sometime in the future I might come back as LANTERN again, but maybe not, if I don't come back as LANTERN in the future then I won't come back at all, but as I said there is no more EXCALIBUR.