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Oct 14, 2006, 5:14 pm

Quote: Originally posted by LOTTOMIKE on Oct 14, 2006
the bottom line here and don't let anyone tell you different is the fact that we will have a lot better chance with this if the democrats take back control of the house after elections this november.democrats will be a lot different than republicans about these kind of things.the republicans were pandering to the religious right with this crap and after the elections they won't even remember it.they were making a point and the point was made.i've read where a lot of republicans were embarrassed by the way frist did this and a lot of people kind of wished it wouldn't have happened the way it did.it was done in a very underhanded way in the middle of the night when barely anyone noticed.pretty sneaky i think.there are already democrats with bills lined up to legalize this.do a search for it on the net.until then its business as usual......

Your assertion that there are Democrats who are preparing bills legalizing online gambling is fantasic news! Can you please send me a link to a credible news source that documents this, so I can post the fabulous news in the news section?

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Oct 14, 2006, 5:17 pm

Quote: Originally posted by orangeman on Oct 14, 2006
I want to whorw some encouragement on this thread.
A. Bush didn't mention online gambling in his press conference after the signing of the Ports Bill.
B. Roberto Gonzales, the Attorney General, has 260 days from signing the bill to devise ways to enforce it.
Frankly, I suspect Frist has embarrassed the administration with this trick and Bush and Company wish it would all go away quietly.
I also noticed that the so-called Christian right has not commented on online gambling one way or the other. This was all Frist's idea.
In a way, Frist did us a favor. This was a watered-down version of something coming out of the House that was much more damaging to the online gambling industry. It is primarily interested in online sports betting, which was illegal anway. Online lottery betting is much more obscure and it will take years to sort that out.
Cheer up!

Orangeman,
Thanks for this excellent dose of common sense, something that seems to be in short supply these days.

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Oct 14, 2006, 5:28 pm

Quote: Originally posted by LOTTOMIKE on Oct 14, 2006
the bottom line here and don't let anyone tell you different is the fact that we will have a lot better chance with this if the democrats take back control of the house after elections this november.democrats will be a lot different than republicans about these kind of things.the republicans were pandering to the religious right with this crap and after the elections they won't even remember it.they were making a point and the point was made.i've read where a lot of republicans were embarrassed by the way frist did this and a lot of people kind of wished it wouldn't have happened the way it did.it was done in a very underhanded way in the middle of the night when barely anyone noticed.pretty sneaky i think.there are already democrats with bills lined up to legalize this.do a search for it on the net.until then its business as usual......

there are already democrats with bills lined up to legalize this.do a search for it on the net
They would generate about 20,000,000 votes overnight if they let that news out.

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Oct 14, 2006, 5:50 pm

One more point on this. ABC's Prime Line, which I call Slime Line, did a piece on online gambling a number of months ago where they interviewed one of the biggest players in the casino business. He wished the govt. would regulate it, tax it and bring him in from the cold.
The interviewer overly stressed the tax issue, as if we are obligated to be taxed to death to pay for all of the Congressional hare-brained schemes while our alleged solons chase pages and interns, take kick-backs and devise schemes to further inflate their egos.
Congress can address flag burning and online gambling while ignoring illegal immigration and Chinese undermining of our economy with cheap goods and outsourcing.
In other words, do the easy stuff to get attention and ignore the hard stuff that might embarrass you. Good work Mr. Congressman! We'll remember in November!
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Oct 14, 2006, 6:26 pm

Quote: Originally posted by orangeman on Oct 14, 2006
One more point on this. ABC's Prime Line, which I call Slime Line, did a piece on online gambling a number of months ago where they interviewed one of the biggest players in the casino business. He wished the govt. would regulate it, tax it and bring him in from the cold.
The interviewer overly stressed the tax issue, as if we are obligated to be taxed to death to pay for all of the Congressional hare-brained schemes while our alleged solons chase pages and interns, take kick-backs and devise schemes to further inflate their egos.
Congress can address flag burning and online gambling while ignoring illegal immigration and Chinese undermining of our economy with cheap goods and outsourcing.
In other words, do the easy stuff to get attention and ignore the hard stuff that might embarrass you. Good work Mr. Congressman! We'll remember in November!
Orangeman

I think immigration is one of the few things Congress did right.
Thanks to congress, we will get a 700-mile fence, with drones and security cameras, and so far we have staved off the politically-correct "guest worker program" nonsense.
The Senate was much harder to convince to drop the dumb guest worker programs, because the Senate leans more liberal than the House. (We'll see if that holds after the elections.) It took a smacking of "you're going to lose the elections if you don't do this, dummy!" to get them to move on it, but they did eventually do the right thing.
The online gambling bill was complete stupidity, and easily the worst thing the congress passed this session, but I wouldn't say the same of their security bills. I think the media is driving negativity about border security, because of the public's lack of interest in actually learning the truth about it. The public wants to be spoonfed their information.

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Oct 14, 2006, 6:27 pm

I saw on the news one time..or some channel and they were talking about what you just mentioned..allowing Chinese to undermine our Economy and they gave an example of it..A sports Jacket..just a regular sports Jacket it looked like to me..US PRICE was like 150.00 made in U.S...samething made in China sold for,or about 100.00 bucks..So..who is more to blame..our Uncle Sam or its citizens..?
Seems like most of us forgot what this means ..MADE IN U.S.A...yes..it may cost a little more..but wouldnt you feel a little better knowing that when you buy MADE IN U.S.A. that you are helping some Mother, some Father keep his job to help take care of his family?.. I know it would make me feel better. That is just my opinion is all..So, next time you run to Wal-Mart or the Mall to go shopping check the label...You can Help out your fellow American and the greatest country that has ever been or will be, in the history of Mankind.

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Oct 14, 2006, 6:46 pm

hi all; i still think the bottom line is if our GOVTMENT could get some kind of tax money from people who plays and wins from on line lottery playing they would be VERY HAPPY....
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Oct 14, 2006, 6:47 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lotterybraker on Oct 14, 2006
I saw on the news one time..or some channel and they were talking about what you just mentioned..allowing Chinese to undermine our Economy and they gave an example of it..A sports Jacket..just a regular sports Jacket it looked like to me..US PRICE was like 150.00 made in U.S...samething made in China sold for,or about 100.00 bucks..So..who is more to blame..our Uncle Sam or its citizens..?
Seems like most of us forgot what this means ..MADE IN U.S.A...yes..it may cost a little more..but wouldnt you feel a little better knowing that when you buy MADE IN U.S.A. that you are helping some Mother, some Father keep his job to help take care of his family?.. I know it would make me feel better. That is just my opinion is all..So, next time you run to Wal-Mart or the Mall to go shopping check the label...You can Help out your fellow American and the greatest country that has ever been or will be, in the history of Mankind.

Sounds good to me, but we may all end up naked in the process of looking for clothes with Made In The U.SA. labels...lol.
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Oct 14, 2006, 6:52 pm

Rubi311..you might be right..lol..of course I dont mind running around with my shirt off..I can show my 4=PACK..lol..those last 2 abs are just barely showing..more sit-ups required..lol

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Oct 14, 2006, 7:07 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Rick G on Oct 13, 2006
If the Fair Tax Act was enacted, this would not be an issue monetarily, and I suspect revenue is the thrust behind the initiative. If it's a moral issue than they should keep their morals to themselves.
To tack it onto the Port Security Bill is back room politics at its worst. The two issues are not even remotely connected. Congress takes more vacation time in one year than most of us have taken in our whole lives. They should cut down the vacation time and consider bills individually instead of bundling unrelated bills and pork projects together under a single umbrella bill.

I've seen on tv for over a year about college kids getting credit cards and maxing them out with online gambling. There has also been some news about underage kids getting parents' credit cards and gambling online with them.
Yes FairTax would take care of taxation of purchases because it's a consumption tax not an income tax. Income would NOT be taxed whatsoever on a federal level.
This probably should be posted on my blog but this is a link to a fantastic FairTax video which explains all aspects of it far better than I ever could.
The FairTax: It's Time 18min 14 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwuS9VCPmb0&mode=related&search=

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Oct 14, 2006, 8:01 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lotterybraker on Oct 14, 2006
Rubi311..you might be right..lol..of course I dont mind running around with my shirt off..I can show my 4=PACK..lol..those last 2 abs are just barely showing..more sit-ups required..lol

We don't want you looking too good Lotterybraker...you just might leave us for Wrestling Mania! Would your new name be Chinabraker?
Then we could really make some money...lol. Need a manager?
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Oct 15, 2006, 7:07 am

Online gambling still in the cards? - BusinessWeek Online - MSNBC.com
Nevada Congressman Jon Porter introduced a bill in May that would study whether online gambling sites, run by U.S. companies, could be effectively regulated. Fahrenkopf believes that bill is likely to be considered early next year. The measure is backed by the casinos and still gathering support. "It is still Congressman Porter's intention to move ahead with this bill," says Trevor Kolego, the congressman's legislative director. "We hope to pass it, if not by the end of this session, then next session."
this man porter is a republican.but at this point in time we know the democrats would be more willing to tax it and regulate it because the republican controlled congress led by frist has already banned it and it would be unwise now for them to backtrack on the issue......
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Oct 17, 2006, 10:53 am

I've noticed that at least 2 of my poker accounts have been locked. But most of them have not been. I guess some of them like Bet365 got spooked with all of the recent arrests trying to keep their bigwigs out of Federal prisons over here.

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Oct 18, 2006, 12:07 am

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 14, 2006
I think immigration is one of the few things Congress did right.
Thanks to congress, we will get a 700-mile fence, with drones and security cameras, and so far we have staved off the politically-correct "guest worker program" nonsense.
The Senate was much harder to convince to drop the dumb guest worker programs, because the Senate leans more liberal than the House. (We'll see if that holds after the elections.) It took a smacking of "you're going to lose the elections if you don't do this, dummy!" to get them to move on it, but they did eventually do the right thing.
The online gambling bill was complete stupidity, and easily the worst thing the congress passed this session, but I wouldn't say the same of their security bills. I think the media is driving negativity about border security, because of the public's lack of interest in actually learning the truth about it. The public wants to be spoonfed their information.

Wow. This is laughable to me. Why are you so concerned about foreigners taking up yout precious living space Todd? Do these people not have the same liberties as you do...I challenge you, tell us what is so terrible about families having the same opportunities we were BORN WITH to succeed?
Granted Todd, all illegal immigrants who come into the country don't necceasarily have our best interest at heart, there are people who I feel coem here for the wrong reasons...and there are americans here on our own turff who dosn't have our best interest at heart (just take a honest look at our government!). Yet, you don't see us casting these corrupt politicians off into the outskirts of oblivion.
No this topic dosn't bother me one bit, but it is a bit disturbing to see someone who takes their advantages and turns them on the disadvantaged...

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Oct 18, 2006, 12:15 am

Quote: Originally posted by TheTruth on Oct 18, 2006
Wow. This is laughable to me. Why are you so concerned about foreigners taking up yout precious living space Todd? Do these people not have the same liberties as you do...I challenge you, tell us what is so terrible about families having the same opportunities we were BORN WITH to succeed?
Granted Todd, all illegal immigrants who come into the country don't necceasarily have our best interest at heart, there are people who I feel coem here for the wrong reasons...and there are americans here on our own turff who dosn't have our best interest at heart (just take a honest look at our government!). Yet, you don't see us casting these corrupt politicians off into the outskirts of oblivion.
No this topic dosn't bother me one bit, but it is a bit disturbing to see someone who takes their advantages and turns them on the disadvantaged...

i'm an immigrant - we did it LEGALLY.

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