Wandering Aimlessly United States Member #25360 November 5, 2005 4461 Posts Offline

Posted: October 22, 2006, 2:57 pm - IP Logged

Finally - a $14 million jackpot was won Saturday by 2 players without a quick pick. The information on the Florida site indicates both players used their own numbers. The numbers drawn:

4-7-8-11-20-27

2 of the numbers (4 and 7) are mine. (no prize for only 2 numbers) but this pattern is very close to what I normally bet. I was surprised to see that only 2 people won with such low numbers. Every lottery expert says not to play birthdays and/or anniversaries because (a) the days in the month only go up to 31 and (b) you'll have to share the jackpot with too many other people.

I'm sure the 2 winners last evening are glad they didn't listen to the experts! $7M is nothing to sneeze at, and I wish them both a lot of happiness.

Delaware United States Member #30273 January 14, 2006 494 Posts Offline

Posted: October 22, 2006, 3:03 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on October 22, 2006

Finally - a $14 million jackpot was won Saturday by 2 players without a quick pick. The information on the Florida site indicates both players used their own numbers. The numbers drawn:

4-7-8-11-20-27

2 of the numbers (4 and 7) are mine. (no prize for only 2 numbers) but this pattern is very close to what I normally bet. I was surprised to see that only 2 people won with such low numbers. Every lottery expert says not to play birthdays and/or anniversaries because (a) the days in the month only go up to 31 and (b) you'll have to share the jackpot with too many other people.

I'm sure the 2 winners last evening are glad they didn't listen to the experts! $7M is nothing to sneeze at, and I wish them both a lot of happiness.

Oh boohoo! I only am going to get $7 million dollars! How can I expect to live on that?

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United States Member #41383 June 16, 2006 1969 Posts Offline

Posted: October 22, 2006, 3:14 pm - IP Logged

Looking back at PB since 1/3/2004, only 7 times has the winning numbers been chosen where the highest number of the 5 WB's was 31 or less, and of those 7 times, only once was the Jackpot hit (12/22/04).

So far in 2006 it's only happened twice - 1/11 and 8/2. Neither were hit.

7 out of 294 isn't too great, let alone winning once in 294.

When I started playing PB about 12 years ago, I had 'my 5 numbers' I always played, and in retrospect, that was a mistake because all 5 of my numbers were less than 18........... astronomically bad odds. (2-5-8-17-18 and PB 31). I never even thought about the odds back then...

Delaware United States Member #30273 January 14, 2006 494 Posts Offline

Posted: October 22, 2006, 3:56 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by guesser on October 22, 2006

Looking back at PB since 1/3/2004, only 7 times has the winning numbers been chosen where the highest number of the 5 WB's was 31 or less, and of those 7 times, only once was the Jackpot hit (12/22/04).

So far in 2006 it's only happened twice - 1/11 and 8/2. Neither were hit.

7 out of 294 isn't too great, let alone winning once in 294.

When I started playing PB about 12 years ago, I had 'my 5 numbers' I always played, and in retrospect, that was a mistake because all 5 of my numbers were less than 18........... astronomically bad odds. (2-5-8-17-18 and PB 31). I never even thought about the odds back then...

Good points, but bear in mind:

The likelihood of those numbers being pulled are just as good as any others.

Wandering Aimlessly United States Member #25360 November 5, 2005 4461 Posts Offline

Posted: October 22, 2006, 4:02 pm - IP Logged

I agree with your theory, Guesser. I've studied the numbers drawn in FL over the past 10 years and there have been few draws where the 6 numbers are all under 30. However, what if one of these 2 winners had been playing for 10 years and then read an article explaining this fact, that is, he should stop and pick some other numbers or get a quick pick instead. He'd be very upset now, wouldn't he? This was my point. I realize that the odds were not in their favor picking such low numbers. However, they still won, so what rdc137 said is also true. Of course, since these numbers were just drawn last evening, nobody has come forward to claim the prize. I'd like to see the press release and the comment the winners make. Sometimes it's "I just thought of these numbers in my car" and sometimes it's "I've been playing my birthday and the birthdays of my 4 kids and my wife for the past 7 years."

New Jersey United States Member #21206 September 4, 2005 949 Posts Offline

Posted: October 22, 2006, 8:01 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by guesser on October 22, 2006

Looking back at PB since 1/3/2004, only 7 times has the winning numbers been chosen where the highest number of the 5 WB's was 31 or less, and of those 7 times, only once was the Jackpot hit (12/22/04).

So far in 2006 it's only happened twice - 1/11 and 8/2. Neither were hit.

7 out of 294 isn't too great, let alone winning once in 294.

When I started playing PB about 12 years ago, I had 'my 5 numbers' I always played, and in retrospect, that was a mistake because all 5 of my numbers were less than 18........... astronomically bad odds. (2-5-8-17-18 and PB 31). I never even thought about the odds back then...

The odds of 2-5-8-17-18 hitting are no different than any other set of 5 numbers.

mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 19900 Posts Offline

Posted: October 22, 2006, 8:54 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by guesser on October 22, 2006

Looking back at PB since 1/3/2004, only 7 times has the winning numbers been chosen where the highest number of the 5 WB's was 31 or less, and of those 7 times, only once was the Jackpot hit (12/22/04).

So far in 2006 it's only happened twice - 1/11 and 8/2. Neither were hit.

7 out of 294 isn't too great, let alone winning once in 294.

When I started playing PB about 12 years ago, I had 'my 5 numbers' I always played, and in retrospect, that was a mistake because all 5 of my numbers were less than 18........... astronomically bad odds. (2-5-8-17-18 and PB 31). I never even thought about the odds back then...

Recheck your PB data file, my data file shows the following:

mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 19900 Posts Offline

Posted: October 23, 2006, 2:09 pm - IP Logged

I wasn't surprised to see only 4% of PowerBall winning combinations had all numbers lower than 32 but Ohio Rolling Cash5 , a 5/39 games that had only 29% of it combinations lower than 32 was a bit surprising.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

CA United States Member #2987 December 10, 2003 832 Posts Offline

Posted: October 24, 2006, 3:18 pm - IP Logged

justxploring -

In a 6/53 lottery matrix there are 22,957,480 possible combinations. Of those combinations, only 475,020 will have all numbers less that 30. The odds of this occurance are 1::48.33.

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New Jersey United States Member #21206 September 4, 2005 949 Posts Offline

Posted: October 24, 2006, 5:25 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on October 23, 2006

I wasn't surprised to see only 4% of PowerBall winning combinations had all numbers lower than 32 but Ohio Rolling Cash5 , a 5/39 games that had only 29% of it combinations lower than 32 was a bit surprising.

Both of these numbers very close to what one would expect.

The number of combinations possible for 5 numbers in a field of 55 numbers is 3,478,761. The number of possible combinations of 5 possible numbers in a field of 31 is 169,911. Thus the subset of combinations covered by the 31 field is 4.9%, close to what is found.

The number of possible combinations covered by a field of 39 numbers is 575,757. Thus the percentage of this field's combinations covered is 29.5%, close to the experimentally determined (i.e. drawn) value.

People may imagine that by "spreading out" the field, it is more probable that they will win the lottery, but this is just wishful thinking. In the attempt to "spread out" they are, in fact, placing similar restrictions on the probability of winning and such restrictions will be just the same as the restriction of choosing numbers that are 31 or less. It is just not as obvious that this is the first case, but it is the true all the same.

There is no way to increase one's odds of winning the lottery, although there are several ways that one can decrease one's odds per ticket, if one is purchaing more than one ticket.

If one purchases two tickets, for instance, one would expect that one is cutting one's odds by 50%, but this is not always the case. Sometimes you can buy two tickets and decrease your odds by less than 50%. Suppose that one bought two tickets in a lottery for which the odds were 1 in 100,000,000 but that the two tickets were identical - the purchaser had chosen exactly the same numbers. The odds of winning would have not decreased at all. They would still be 1 in 100,000,000, although should those odds be beaten, the owner would be entitled to two shares of the prize.

It seems to me that this is what people are missing when they "wheel," at least as I understand wheeling. Wheeling it seems to me is a way to guarantee that one will not decrease one's odds by the factor equal to the number of tickets purchased.

United States Member #41383 June 16, 2006 1969 Posts Offline

Posted: October 25, 2006, 12:07 am - IP Logged

There are just a ton of ways of increasing your odds of winning, here's a few:

1) The 5 numbers in the last game, what are the odds of ALL 5 repeating ?

2) The prior game to that, what are the odds of ALL of them repeating ?

3) Same goes for the 2 games prior to those, of the last 4 games, none of the 5 numbers have been hit.

4) We have 6 legitimate longshots out there, what are the odds of 2 of them hitting, let alone 3, 4, 5 or all 6 ?

5) What are the odds of #1-2-3-4-5 hitting ?

6) Likewise with #51-52-53-54-55 ?

7) How about #1-2-3-54-55 ?

8) And #2-4-6-8-10 ?

9) How about all 5 WB's coming from greater than #27 ? Since 8/31/2005 it's happened twice. (out of 119 games) - and you still have to pick the correct 5 out of 28. Most folks can't get 5 out of 8, or 28, let alone 55.

10) Any other funny numerical sequence, such as 45-46-47-52-53.

That said, we are still back to the SAME issue: a loser is a loser, no matter how 'close' it is. The trick is to get yourself in the

NY United States Member #23835 October 16, 2005 3502 Posts Offline

Posted: October 25, 2006, 2:43 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by guesser on October 25, 2006

There are just a ton of ways of increasing your odds of winning, here's a few:

1) The 5 numbers in the last game, what are the odds of ALL 5 repeating ?

2) The prior game to that, what are the odds of ALL of them repeating ?

3) Same goes for the 2 games prior to those, of the last 4 games, none of the 5 numbers have been hit.

4) We have 6 legitimate longshots out there, what are the odds of 2 of them hitting, let alone 3, 4, 5 or all 6 ?

5) What are the odds of #1-2-3-4-5 hitting ?

6) Likewise with #51-52-53-54-55 ?

7) How about #1-2-3-54-55 ?

8) And #2-4-6-8-10 ?

9) How about all 5 WB's coming from greater than #27 ? Since 8/31/2005 it's happened twice. (out of 119 games) - and you still have to pick the correct 5 out of 28. Most folks can't get 5 out of 8, or 28, let alone 55.

10) Any other funny numerical sequence, such as 45-46-47-52-53.

That said, we are still back to the SAME issue: a loser is a loser, no matter how 'close' it is. The trick is to get yourself in the

ballpark most of the time.

None of those does a thing to increase your odds of winning. Here are the answers to help clarify:

1. For PB it's 1 in 3,478,761, exactly the same as the odds that those 5 numbers would have been drawn the first time, and exactly the same as the odds of *any* 5 numbers being drawn. The balls don't know they exist, let alone how often they've been drawn.

2. See above.

3. See above.

4. See above

5. See above, and plan on sharing with a lot of people.

6. See # 5.

7. see #6.

8. Beuller? Beuller? Anyone?

9. There's about a 2.8% chance that all 5 will be higher than 27. Each of those 98,280 possible combinations has exactly the same odds as any of the combinations with no balls higher than 27 or any of the 4,368 combinations that have only prime numbers.

10. Exactly the same as any of the non-funny combinations.

New Jersey United States Member #21206 September 4, 2005 949 Posts Offline

Posted: October 25, 2006, 10:03 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on October 25, 2006

None of those does a thing to increase your odds of winning. Here are the answers to help clarify:

1. For PB it's 1 in 3,478,761, exactly the same as the odds that those 5 numbers would have been drawn the first time, and exactly the same as the odds of *any* 5 numbers being drawn. The balls don't know they exist, let alone how often they've been drawn.

2. See above.

3. See above.

4. See above

5. See above, and plan on sharing with a lot of people.

6. See # 5.

7. see #6.

8. Beuller? Beuller? Anyone?

9. There's about a 2.8% chance that all 5 will be higher than 27. Each of those 98,280 possible combinations has exactly the same odds as any of the combinations with no balls higher than 27 or any of the 4,368 combinations that have only prime numbers.

10. Exactly the same as any of the non-funny combinations.