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Posted: November 9, 2006, 9:14 pm - IP Logged

No, we knew something needed to be done 1-2 years ago, but we couldn't DO anything about it until this election.

 

I'll go out on a limb and say most americans stood behind bush because we thought he had a plan, little did we know he has no real plan at all (in Iraq), does anyone know what our goal is in Iraq ?

I mean beyond 'root out terrorism', how do we do that ?  What's the plan ?? 

Someone knows. but not Bush.. He is reading scripts.. and he doesn't know the next scene until his fellowmen write it for him..

He isn't a leader... Hopefully, the next writer will help him out a little during the next few years and really fill him in on what is going on.

Or he could just ask his mother.  ( or ask my cat... )

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    Posted: November 9, 2006, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

    Are you saying the new congress will produce less than 20%...? Now that it has made  an improvement?

    It is way over due for a change in our government.  Will be an interesting next two years..

     

    I am only surprised it took the last two years for the people to see something needed to be done..

    I knew we as a "whole" couldn't continue to be ignorant.

    Alright let me say another way.

    You all are talking about change then why did everyone vote the way they did.  WE put the same old hack kneed ideas back in again only with a different name on it, its called Democrat.  I guess I do not understand how you folks define change.  Is change doing the same thing over and over and over again for the last 60 years and expecting different results.  That not change thats the defination of pure insanity.

    I am involved in grass roots politics at the county, city level.  Several of us developed a strategy that said if any of the people running for office can not successfully defend their positions as to what they have during their last term in office they are out.  Period, in fact such a poor job was done in this county we voted against anyone who was an incumbant  The mess here was caused on their watch.  It is called taking responsibility, all we heard was excuses.

    We took it one step further, we voted for everyone that had a different party affiliation than Democrat or Republican.  God! do not talk to me about change if you do not know the meaning of it.  There is no one in congress today who can defend the positions they have taken over the last 20 years.  The lawyer in them will not let truth prevail.  This constant need for one upsmanship, power grabbing, and ego parading is enough for me.  It should be enough for all of you.  Apparently, folks in this country have not had enough yet.  A few of us are trying to use some common sense and our quest for some real statesmen.  A career politician do not give you anything.  The founding fathers new that for sure and that is why most of them worked for a dollar a year. 

    Look folks I am not trying to get in a p#$$ing contest with anybody, all I am saying is if you truly want change you can not just talk about it you have to work at it.

    Last point, the people in Florida cared about change so much that 50% of the registered voters chose to vote.  You all are crazy about odds and percentages well let me lay this one on you, my  county has 135,000 people eligible to vote.  Of that number, 97,000 are registered.  Of that number 44.7 per cent chose to vote at all this time.  Does that sound like this state is ready for a change?  Please!  Please!!

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      Posted: November 10, 2006, 2:00 am - IP Logged

      Alright let me say another way.

      You all are talking about change then why did everyone vote the way they did.  WE put the same old hack kneed ideas back in again only with a different name on it, its called Democrat.  I guess I do not understand how you folks define change.  Is change doing the same thing over and over and over again for the last 60 years and expecting different results.  That not change thats the defination of pure insanity.

      I am involved in grass roots politics at the county, city level.  Several of us developed a strategy that said if any of the people running for office can not successfully defend their positions as to what they have during their last term in office they are out.  Period, in fact such a poor job was done in this county we voted against anyone who was an incumbant  The mess here was caused on their watch.  It is called taking responsibility, all we heard was excuses.

      We took it one step further, we voted for everyone that had a different party affiliation than Democrat or Republican.  God! do not talk to me about change if you do not know the meaning of it.  There is no one in congress today who can defend the positions they have taken over the last 20 years.  The lawyer in them will not let truth prevail.  This constant need for one upsmanship, power grabbing, and ego parading is enough for me.  It should be enough for all of you.  Apparently, folks in this country have not had enough yet.  A few of us are trying to use some common sense and our quest for some real statesmen.  A career politician do not give you anything.  The founding fathers new that for sure and that is why most of them worked for a dollar a year. 

      Look folks I am not trying to get in a p#$$ing contest with anybody, all I am saying is if you truly want change you can not just talk about it you have to work at it.

      Last point, the people in Florida cared about change so much that 50% of the registered voters chose to vote.  You all are crazy about odds and percentages well let me lay this one on you, my  county has 135,000 people eligible to vote.  Of that number, 97,000 are registered.  Of that number 44.7 per cent chose to vote at all this time.  Does that sound like this state is ready for a change?  Please!  Please!!

      Floridian

      When you verse it that way, I agree with you 100%.

       

      But nationally, just electing all new members to senate and congress isn't enough if the 'rules' are still in place that pretty much have not changed in forever. If you think sweeping in all new politicians will change everything, I got news for ya: the SAME people will be shoveling just as much money and business to the new folks as they did the former ones, and NOBODY turns down free money, they can't afford to, it's just too easy.

      Can we vote to end filibustering ?  To me that's nearly the most destructive thing there is.

      Can we FORCE our elected officials to actually BE in Washington and WORK ?  And VOTE on the issues ?  Why does the average elected official in DC spend less than 2.5 days in the office ?   Is it right that if they serve just one term they are pretty much set for life with a pension ?  Why do they have a separate SS fund from the rest of us ?

       

      Listen, I applaud your efforts on the local level in your area, folks in certain parts of the country are much more open-minded than in other parts, and that's just the way it is.  Yes, there CAN be change in all parts, but that change takes time, it doesn't happen overnight in some areas, and that's not your fault or mine.   If I had my way, if the candidates had a serious shot, I'd vote 'Green' every time, but what happens is we end up voting AGAINST someone we dislike by voting FOR someone we probably don't like either - lesser of two evils, again, that's just the way it is in certain places.

       

      This past Tuesday, we sent a message AGAINST BUSH, and I think we can all agree that if the vote was for the presidency and Bush was running 3 days ago, Donald Duck would have beat him, and I still maintain that if he would have changed his tack with Iraq, and if Rumsfeld would have resigned about a month ago, things MIGHT have been different.

      That, and I think when bush opened his yap 3-4 weeks ago and said 'Listen, I never said 'stay the course' in Iraq.......' when damned near everybody in America HEARD him say it several times, I think that was the last straw.  That, and we still have no strategy with respect to Iraq.