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Important Pick5,6,10, & Jackpots Question for Todd & LP members.

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Blundering Time Traveler

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Posted: December 28, 2006, 7:33 pm - IP Logged

In my opinion, I think that figuring out the Pick 5, Pick 6, Pick 10,  PowerBall and Mega-Ball would be greatly aided by looking at the exact order of how the numbers actually fell, as opposed to looking at them in ascending order. 

Ex:

12, 22, 34, 45, 49, 54 - normal view when results are posted

34, 12, 45. 22, 54, 49 - more desirable actual order of results.

As far as I'm aware, nowhere in print or on the Web, are the results listed in the order they dropped. 

I understand that listing the results in ascending order allows for a more fluid ease when reading, which would limit errors when copying. But viewing them this way eliminates a huge swath of potential patterns that do emerge. We don't do it in the Pick 3 and 4, why do it in the bigger games? If one could see how the numbers actually fell, I think we would move a lot closer into making a bigger dent in the Lotto. It would be a boon to do workouts and backtests with this 'new look'.

Would others be interested in seeing this?

Todd, The LP already has the title of being the holder of many "firsts". If its not too much trouble, could we add this as another one-of-a-kind attribute?

Thanks

Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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    Posted: December 28, 2006, 7:34 pm - IP Logged

    I would do it in a heartbeat, but that data is not available anywhere.

     

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      Posted: December 28, 2006, 7:46 pm - IP Logged

      I would do it in a heartbeat, but that data is not available anywhere.

      Wow - Interesting...Well, that settles that. Thanks anyway Todd - for eveything. 

      Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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        Posted: December 28, 2006, 7:51 pm - IP Logged

        Well this information is readily available for Powerball.  Just go to http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_nbr_history.asp  and click on "Click here for information in the Microsoft Word format" or "Click here for the winning numbers in plain-text format." 

        But I dont think this information makes much of a difference.  When you're looking at a game with 1 in 146,107,962.00 odds, you need A LOT of drawings to look through to even notice a tiny pattern (if there's even a pattern). 

        I was not able to make much of this information but I hope someone else has better luck with it. 

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          Posted: December 28, 2006, 8:02 pm - IP Logged

          This is something that I have been interested in in the past. Some states do offer the results "as they fell" on their web site while others do not. My home state of New York does not, however, the results are listed in the local paper as they are drawn and could possibly be gathered from the papers archives or perhaps the local library on microfiche-something I've put off doing. Might possibly be a good resource to find the results for other states also?  Im new to the board and have not even developed a good strategy for the pick 3 yet let alone pick 5 so I havent really delved into it that deep yet but I do believe "the numbers as they fell would prove a valuable resource.

          Great forum guys. I come here almost daily and enjoy the reads from all of ya's. Thanks for the opportunity to be a small part

          Jeff

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            Well this information is readily available for Powerball.  Just go to http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_nbr_history.asp  and click on "Click here for information in the Microsoft Word format" or "Click here for the winning numbers in plain-text format." 

            But I dont think this information makes much of a difference.  When you're looking at a game with 1 in 146,107,962.00 odds, you need A LOT of drawings to look through to even notice a tiny pattern (if there's even a pattern). 

            I was not able to make much of this information but I hope someone else has better luck with it. 

            Yes, I do know of a few games here and there with availability of draw-order data.  I am probably aware of more sources of lottery data than most people.  I was talking about enough games being available to make it worthwhile to put the effort into it.

            Many people do consider the draw order important, and to the contrary the small odds may increase the need for any advantage possible, including draw-order data. 

             

            Check the State Lottery Report Card
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            Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
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              Posted: December 28, 2006, 8:03 pm - IP Logged

              Well this information is readily available for Powerball.  Just go to http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_nbr_history.asp  and click on "Click here for information in the Microsoft Word format" or "Click here for the winning numbers in plain-text format." 

              But I dont think this information makes much of a difference.  When you're looking at a game with 1 in 146,107,962.00 odds, you need A LOT of drawings to look through to even notice a tiny pattern (if there's even a pattern). 

              I was not able to make much of this information but I hope someone else has better luck with it. 

              Thanks Twisted. You've made me a happy man . Or rather happier man:-). The difference it can make depends on the method or system you use, so a lot of drawings may not be neccesary. Maybe just the last 2 to produce the next.

              Again, Thanks so much.

              Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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                This is something that I have been interested in in the past. Some states do offer the results "as they fell" on their web site while others do not. My home state of New York does not, however, the results are listed in the local paper as they are drawn and could possibly be gathered from the papers archives or perhaps the local library on microfiche-something I've put off doing. Might possibly be a good resource to find the results for other states also?  Im new to the board and have not even developed a good strategy for the pick 3 yet let alone pick 5 so I havent really delved into it that deep yet but I do believe "the numbers as they fell would prove a valuable resource.

                Great forum guys. I come here almost daily and enjoy the reads from all of ya's. Thanks for the opportunity to be a small part

                Jeff

                Only been playing Lotto for a year, and I'm conditioned to read results on the Web. I wrongly assumed that the  newspapers mimicked these.

                Thanks Jeff.

                Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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                  Kola writes:
                  "In my opinion, I think that figuring out the Pick 5, Pick 6, Pick 10,  PowerBall and Mega-Ball would be greatly aided by looking at the exact order of how the numbers actually fell, as opposed to looking at them in ascending order."

                  I once tried to record that information about the Ohio lotteries but it required me to tape or watch each drawing and after a while I decided it was more work than it was worth.  If you think that information would have some value you might try doing that, it you win big then your efforts will not have been in vein.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    Posted: December 28, 2006, 8:38 pm - IP Logged

                    I think I would just need maybe 20 - 25 draws to test system.  After that, more draws would be good, but may not be neccessary to find nuances and refine.

                    Thanks RJOh

                    Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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                      Kola,I know that the CA.Fantasy 5 past results that can be downloaded from the official site are not in order. Now I'm not sure if they are in the exact order that they were drawn but I know for a fact they are all jumbled up.

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                        Thanks Lottolaughs! I'll check it out pronto.

                        Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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                          Kola

                          For almost six months, night by night, I tracked the Illinois Little Lotto like that. 

                          I was hoping to see a pattern show itself so I could maybe figure out something like a base number, then do something like this:

                          base  +11  - 4   + 12  + 2   - 6

                          Never got that far, no such pattern ever showed. It's been my experience that 5 and 6 number games are just not that consistent when it comes to showing such a pattern.  

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            Only been playing Lotto for a year, and I'm conditioned to read results on the Web. I wrongly assumed that the  newspapers mimicked these.

                            Thanks Jeff.

                            Unfortunately newspapers publish incorrect results way too many times. They are probably the least reliable way to get the results.

                             

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                              Kola

                              For almost six months, night by night, I tracked the Illinois Little Lotto like that. 

                              I was hoping to see a pattern show itself so I could maybe figure out something like a base number, then do something like this:

                              base  +11  - 4   + 12  + 2   - 6

                              Never got that far, no such pattern ever showed. It's been my experience that 5 and 6 number games are just not that consistent when it comes to showing such a pattern.  

                               Six months night by night!? Good passion.

                              Yes it can be challenging to see a pattern, but then again, that depends on what 'eyes' you are using to see the pattern, and by what method/system.

                              Your base number workout above may yet prove viable if you continue to tweak it. Maybe not.

                              When I speak of patterns, I'm speaking of putting the various lotto games through a specific system first and when it goes through the system, patterns and specific numbers will emerge over and over and over again.  The numbers are so dynamic that patterns may have no choice but to emerge.  We've already seen how the Pick 3 and Pick 4 follow patterns,  the bigger games are also subject to their own as well. Its just that to see and deal with more numbers are always intimidating. We shouldn't get TOO distracted by it , but we easily and understandably do.  

                              I hope your STILL chomping at the bit with these bigger games though. 

                              Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter".