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# Am I missing something here...?!

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Please check my numbers for P4 combos to see if I've got this right!

Possible quad combos = 10  (duh!)

Possible triple combos = 360

Possible double/double combos = 270

Possible double combos = 4320

Possible single combos = 5040

OK, to the point at hand....  doubles fall about 43% of the time based on the stats.  and singles about 50%.  SO - is there a reason why we don't just play doubles all the time?  Unless someone has a doubles warning (or a singles warning for that matter)??  Since the chances of hitting a double is about the same as hitting a single, wouldn't it make sense to just play doubles?  You would have a better chance of hitting a straight with a double (12 way), vs. a single (24 way)..., and the payout of a double box is twice that of a single (online).  I must be missing a big piece of the puzzle.... anyone care to comment?!?

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Yeah, pretty close. SIngles make up 50.4% of the straights, and doubles make up 43.2%. If you are playing straights, you only give up that 7%, so I, at least, follow your reasoning.

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Please check my numbers for P4 combos to see if I've got this right!

Possible quad combos = 10  (duh!)

Possible triple combos = 360

Possible double/double combos = 270

Possible double combos = 4320

Possible single combos = 5040

OK, to the point at hand....  doubles fall about 43% of the time based on the stats.  and singles about 50%.  SO - is there a reason why we don't just play doubles all the time?  Unless someone has a doubles warning (or a singles warning for that matter)??  Since the chances of hitting a double is about the same as hitting a single, wouldn't it make sense to just play doubles?  You would have a better chance of hitting a straight with a double (12 way), vs. a single (24 way)..., and the payout of a double box is twice that of a single (online).  I must be missing a big piece of the puzzle.... anyone care to comment?!?

If you play straight, then you don't have a better chance of hitting a double then hitting a single, since there are 720 more 24-ways then there are 12-ways. And payouts are the same for each and every number.

For box plays, it's a whole different matter, since there are 210 24-way numbers and 360 12-way numbers, so for boxed plays, comparing payouts, i'd play doubles (real time av. skip is around 2.17 draws) instead of singles (real time av. skip is around 1.85 draws)

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Well I see what you are saying.  I kind of was figuring the same way he did. But then if I play P4 I rarely play straight. It's tough enough to hit a box in that game. Thanks Ricky.

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Please check my numbers for P4 combos to see if I've got this right!

Possible quad combos = 10  (duh!)

Possible triple combos = 360

Possible double/double combos = 270

Possible double combos = 4320

Possible single combos = 5040

OK, to the point at hand....  doubles fall about 43% of the time based on the stats.  and singles about 50%.  SO - is there a reason why we don't just play doubles all the time?  Unless someone has a doubles warning (or a singles warning for that matter)??  Since the chances of hitting a double is about the same as hitting a single, wouldn't it make sense to just play doubles?  You would have a better chance of hitting a straight with a double (12 way), vs. a single (24 way)..., and the payout of a double box is twice that of a single (online).  I must be missing a big piece of the puzzle.... anyone care to comment?!?

calabs writes: SO - is there a reason why we don't just play doubles all the time?

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Playing doubles make a lot of sense Calabs, but what are the indicators that a double is coming?

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If you play straight, then you don't have a better chance of hitting a double then hitting a single, since there are 720 more 24-ways then there are 12-ways. And payouts are the same for each and every number.

For box plays, it's a whole different matter, since there are 210 24-way numbers and 360 12-way numbers, so for boxed plays, comparing payouts, i'd play doubles (real time av. skip is around 2.17 draws) instead of singles (real time av. skip is around 1.85 draws)

Ricky - While your numbers make sense, I'm not sure that they take into account that you have a 2X better chance of hitting a str8 double since there are only 12 permutations, and 24 permutations for a single, despite the fact that there are more singles than doubles.  So I would venture to say that you have a better chance at hitting a straight double compared to a single.....  If I play a few P4 numbers in a state, I play them st/bx.    Am I still missing something here??!  Thanks again..

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I tested a P4 system using even numbers +1/odd numbers +0.  After reading this thread I checked what the numbers did last month using the doubles only.

odds +0:

0199 0399 0599 0799 1399 1599 1799 3599 3799 5799

0177 0377 0577 0779 1377 1577 1779 3577 3779 5779

0155 0355 0557 0559 1355 1557 1559 3557 3559 5579

0133 0335 0337 0339 1335 1337 1339 3357 3359 3379

0113 0115 0117 0119 1135 1137 1139 1157 1159 1179

0013 0015 0017 0019 0035 0057 0059 0079 0037 0039

evens +1:

0188 0288 0488 0688 1288 1488 1688 2488 2688 4688

0166 0266 0466 0668 1266 1466 1668 2466 2668 4668

0144 0244 0446 0448 1244 1446 1448 2446 2448 4468

0122 0224 0226 0228 1224 1226 1228 2246 2248 2268

0112 0114 0116 0118 1124 1126 1128 1146 1148 1168

0012 0014 0016 0018 0024 0026 0028 0046 0048 0068

This is something I came up with a few months ago.  Not sure how profitable it would be because it's a lot of numbers.  But with a lot of tracking it could be valuable.  I found the statistics behind it quite interesting.  These 120 combos hit 205 times in December with 11 straights played as is.

I'd like to research all double combos... just to see the results.

Keep it simple

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Calabs don't forget the series numbers for the pick4,They will sometime predict what is coming

This week's pick 4 series

2172 2182 2192 2202 2212 2222 2232 goodluck!

Instructions:you can keep or drop the last digit and add the most due digit for your state ,it works!

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calabs writes: SO - is there a reason why we don't just play doubles all the time?

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Thank you for sharing this Laverne, it is very into detail...

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The indicator is the average skip.
Either the real-time average skip, either the mathematical average skip, or both... or the median skip, depends on what you like to look at...

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Ricky - While your numbers make sense, I'm not sure that they take into account that you have a 2X better chance of hitting a str8 double since there are only 12 permutations, and 24 permutations for a single, despite the fact that there are more singles than doubles.  So I would venture to say that you have a better chance at hitting a straight double compared to a single.....  If I play a few P4 numbers in a state, I play them st/bx.    Am I still missing something here??!  Thanks again..

It is pretty simple...,

the chance of someone hitting a straight double is lower than someone hitting a straight 24-way. (there are more 24-ways then there are  doubles) But the chance of hitting a straight, any straight, stays the same, 1 in 10.000

Both, for box or straight, you always have to take into acount that there are 10.000 straight numbers! Think about it...
'tho There are 210 numbers that represent 24-ways, they represent 5040 real numbers (straight, that is)
Now, it might be confusing, since there are 360 doubles box, but they "only" represent 4320 real numbers (straight, again).

Take a draw, any draw,
but if you play box, the chances of hitting a double suddenly don't increase in comparison to the chance of you hitting a 24-way!!!

It is the number drawn that you can either "re-combine" into a 24-ways, or either into a 12-ways, or triples or double-doubles or quads (LOL)
Not the other way around.
I think that there is the point where it gets confusing.

You can compare boxed doubles (360) to boxed singles (210), but still there will be 5040 singles and 4320 doubles in the game. The chance of playing and hitting a double will always be less than playing and hitting a single.

I have a feeling the explanation i'm giving might seem very confused, but please take into account that English is not my native language....

The approach of the game should always be the same, because it always is the same: there are 10.000 numbers that can fall.

cheers
Ricky

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 Total possible combinations replacing A-D with 0-9 numbers Total possible permutations of A-D letters Total possible Combos with letters A-D replaced with 0-9 number and A-D letters put through all possible permutations A A A A 10 1 10 A A A B 45 4 180 A A B B 45 6 270 A B B B 45 4 180 A A B C 120 12 1440 A B B C 120 12 1440 A B C C 120 12 1440 A B C D 210 24 5040 TOTAL OF ALL = 10000

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Thank you for sharing this Laverne, it is very into detail...

Pick 4 Winning Guidlines Using Pick 3 Doubles - Lottery Post

Paurths:

Calabs has already commented on the above post in which I speak about how to generate potential winning pick 4 doubles... etc., so there was no need in rehashing the details unless calabs had a specific question pertaining to my method.

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Please check my numbers for P4 combos to see if I've got this right!

Possible quad combos = 10  (duh!)

Possible triple combos = 360

Possible double/double combos = 270

Possible double combos = 4320

Possible single combos = 5040

OK, to the point at hand....  doubles fall about 43% of the time based on the stats.  and singles about 50%.  SO - is there a reason why we don't just play doubles all the time?  Unless someone has a doubles warning (or a singles warning for that matter)??  Since the chances of hitting a double is about the same as hitting a single, wouldn't it make sense to just play doubles?  You would have a better chance of hitting a straight with a double (12 way), vs. a single (24 way)..., and the payout of a double box is twice that of a single (online).  I must be missing a big piece of the puzzle.... anyone care to comment?!?

Better odds with the Single combo's!

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