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Feb 6, 2007, 11:01 pm

Whats your gut feeling on this?
There are 50/50 odds situations all over the place in P-3 right? We all know how that works right? We know what it looks like over time don't we? We know how they act.
   Well.... I am beginning to find situations where they don't act the same. Not what we are used to anyway.
   One of these is..... Short Sums. Each Short Sum represents 100 numbers. If 5 sums are missing ...thats 500 of the 1000 chart. 500 numbers are all skipping at the same time.
Now.... I have been looking at many draws and have found what looks to be an ongoing exception to the Character of this particular 50/50 groups Stat.
Tonight ..... there were 10 states ...that all had 5 Sums all missing at the same time for at least 10 draws.
5 short sums all missing at least 10 draws all at the same time
Example... GA Eve Sums 9,,3,,8,,7,,0   are all out at the same time and NONE has hit in the last 13 days! Of course ,this means that the same 500 numbers group have hit for 13 straight draws in a row.
The 500 numbers represented by sums 9,3,8,7,0 ..... NADA for almost 2 weeks now!!
I checked this evening and found that several other states are going through this as well....
   GA ID MD OH OK SC TX WA WI WV    every one of these states are in the same situations right now. All missing 500 numbers for at least 10 Draws in a row.

   I don't care about the Math or Probability of this right now..... I am just saying that after many years of playing this game and dealing with many many 50/50 groups...... This is NOT normal.
I can go all year and not see a 50/50 group hit 10 times in a row in my state.....and to see this many states all doing this at the same time is very disconcerting to me.
What do think is going on here?
   I'm looking at positional Digit skips too..... 5 digits missing in the same position all at the same time.
Hiding 500 numbers? For at least 10 days? I just don't think it should be that easy or common.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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The Missing 500 straights from the GA EVE example tonight..... Short Sums 9,,3,,8,,7,,and 0 (missing 13 draws)
012, 016, 017, 018, 019, 021, 025, 026, 027, 028, 034, 035, 036, 037, 043, 045, 046, 049, 052, 053, 054, 058, 061, 062, 063, 064, 067, 071, 072, 073, 076, 081, 082, 085, 089, 091, 094, 098, 102, 106, 107, 108, 109, 120, 124, 125, 126, 127, 134, 135, 136, 139, 142, 143, 145, 148, 152, 153, 154, 157, 160, 162, 163, 170, 172, 175, 179, 180, 184, 189, 190, 193, 197, 198, 201, 205, 206, 207, 208, 210, 214, 215, 216, 217, 234, 235, 238, 241, 243, 247, 250, 251, 253, 256, 260, 261, 265, 269, 270, 271, 274, 278, 279, 280, 283, 287, 289, 296, 297, 298, 304, 305, 306, 307, 314, 315, 316, 319, 324, 325, 328, 340, 341, 342, 346, 350, 351, 352, 359, 360, 361, 364, 368, 369, 370, 378, 379, 382, 386, 387, 389, 391, 395, 396, 397, 398, 403, 405, 406, 409, 412, 413, 415, 418, 421, 423, 427, 430, 431, 432, 436, 450, 451, 458, 459, 460, 463, 467, 468, 469, 472, 476, 478, 479, 481, 485, 486, 487, 490, 495, 496, 497, 502, 503, 504, 508, 512, 513, 514, 517, 520, 521, 523, 526, 530, 531, 532, 539, 540, 541, 548, 549, 562, 567, 568, 569, 571, 576, 578, 580, 584, 586, 587, 593, 594, 596, 601, 602, 603, 604, 607, 610, 612, 613, 620, 621, 625, 629, 630, 631, 634, 638, 639, 640, 643, 647, 648, 649, 652, 657, 658, 659, 670, 674, 675, 683, 684, 685, 689, 692, 693, 694, 695, 698, 701, 702, 703, 706, 710, 712, 715, 719, 720, 721, 724, 728, 729, 730, 738, 739, 742, 746, 748, 749, 751, 756, 758, 760, 764, 765, 782, 783, 784, 785, 791, 792, 793, 794, 801, 802, 805, 809, 810, 814, 819, 820, 823, 827, 829, 832, 836, 837, 839, 841, 845, 846, 847, 850, 854, 856, 857, 863, 864, 865, 869, 872, 873, 874, 875, 890, 891, 892, 893, 896, 901, 904, 908, 910, 913, 917, 918, 926, 927, 928, 931, 935, 936, 937, 938, 940, 945, 946, 947, 953, 954, 956, 962, 963, 964, 965, 968, 971, 972, 973, 974, 980, 981, 982, 983, 986
003, 007, 008, 009, 030, 044, 055, 070, 080, 090, 099, 115, 116, 117, 118, 133, 144, 151, 161, 166, 171, 181, 188, 199, 223, 224, 225, 226, 229, 232, 233, 242, 244, 252, 262, 288, 292, 299, 300, 313, 322, 323, 331, 332, 334, 337, 343, 355, 373, 377, 388, 404, 414, 422, 424, 433, 440, 441, 442, 445, 449, 454, 477, 488, 494, 505, 511, 522, 535, 544, 550, 553, 557, 558, 559, 566, 575, 577, 585, 595, 599, 611, 616, 622, 656, 661, 665, 667, 668, 676, 677, 686, 700, 711, 733, 737, 747, 755, 757, 766, 767, 773, 774, 775, 776, 779, 788, 797, 800, 811, 818, 828, 838, 848, 855, 866, 878, 881, 882, 883, 884, 887, 900, 909, 919, 922, 929, 944, 955, 959, 977, 990, 991, 992, 995
000, 111, 333, 666, 999

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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Feb 7, 2007, 9:50 am

OK.... going to use another pretty big filter....and cut out all the doubles from the 500 above list. That cuts out 135 doubles and 5 trips. Now... 500 minus -140 leaves us with +360 straights.
Next... Lets cut it down again. The last 6 draws in a row were all Even Short Sums .... so lets cut those even sums out. That will cut the list down to these.... .
012, 016, 018, 021, 025, 027, 034, 036, 043, 045, 049, 052, 054, 058, 061, 063, 067, 072, 076, 081, 085, 089, 094, 098, 102, 106, 108, 120, 124, 126, 135, 139, 142, 148, 153, 157, 160, 162, 175, 179, 180, 184, 193, 197, 201, 205, 207, 210, 214, 216, 234, 238, 241, 243, 247, 250, 256, 261, 265, 269, 270, 274, 278, 283, 287, 289, 296, 298, 304, 306, 315, 319, 324, 328, 340, 342, 346, 351, 359, 360, 364, 368, 379, 382, 386, 391, 395, 397, 403, 405, 409, 412, 418, 421, 423, 427, 430, 432, 436, 450, 458, 463, 467, 469, 472, 476, 478, 481, 485, 487, 490, 496, 502, 504, 508, 513, 517, 520, 526, 531, 539, 540, 548, 562, 568, 571, 580, 584, 586, 593, 601, 603, 607, 610, 612, 621, 625, 629, 630, 634, 638, 643, 647, 649, 652, 658, 670, 674, 683, 685, 689, 692, 694, 698, 702, 706, 715, 719, 720, 724, 728, 739, 742, 746, 748, 751, 760, 764, 782, 784, 791, 793, 801, 805, 809, 810, 814, 823, 827, 829, 832, 836, 841, 845, 847, 850, 854, 856, 863, 865, 869, 872, 874, 890, 892, 896, 904, 908, 913, 917, 926, 928, 931, 935, 937, 940, 946, 953, 962, 964, 968, 971, 973, 980, 982, 986

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Feb 7, 2007, 9:51 am

Hey Win D, you are right about the chances of this happening. I usually don't post to often because I am usually grinding down on my own state every single day. I can say that I have some research that is somewhat similar to what your looking at, only it represents 2 digit straight. Sometimes your 3digits can hold out for real long periods of time. I have 2 digits that have been holding out for 200 plus draws. The only good suggestion I could say is use it to your advantage. I am going to send you some info about something that is very interesting and can go very much in your favor when picking str hits. I have been testing it for a while. Its about time I post it on LP. Its very detailed and needs to be followed daily on one particular state. I will send you an email sometime soon.
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Quote: Originally posted by megatron on Feb 7, 2007
Hey Win D, you are right about the chances of this happening. I usually don't post to often because I am usually grinding down on my own state every single day. I can say that I have some research that is somewhat similar to what your looking at, only it represents 2 digit straight. Sometimes your 3digits can hold out for real long periods of time. I have 2 digits that have been holding out for 200 plus draws. The only good suggestion I could say is use it to your advantage. I am going to send you some info about something that is very interesting and can go very much in your favor when picking str hits. I have been testing it for a while. Its about time I post it on LP. Its very detailed and needs to be followed daily on one particular state. I will send you an email sometime soon.

Hey Megatron... Thank you. I would be very interested. Sraights are the way.
Now that we have cut these down to 216 Straights here we have done pretty well.... But still
We could cover all of them for 54 bucks and win the 225.00 or cut em' in Half and Risk it. They are Straights.... so
I don't know... I'll keep looking for tonight and see if we can find a good excuse to cut it down some more.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Feb 7, 2007
OK.... going to use another pretty big filter....and cut out all the doubles from the 500 above list. That cuts out 135 doubles and 5 trips. Now... 500 minus -140 leaves us with +360 straights.
Next... Lets cut it down again. The last 6 draws in a row were all Even Short Sums .... so lets cut those even sums out. That will cut the list down to these.... .
  012, 016, 018, 021, 025, 027, 034, 036, 043, 045, 049, 052, 054, 058, 061, 063, 067, 072, 076, 081, 085, 089, 094, 098, 102, 106, 108, 120, 124, 126, 135, 139, 142, 148, 153, 157, 160, 162, 175, 179, 180, 184, 193, 197, 201, 205, 207, 210, 214, 216, 234, 238, 241, 243, 247, 250, 256, 261, 265, 269, 270, 274, 278, 283, 287, 289, 296, 298, 304, 306, 315, 319, 324, 328, 340, 342, 346, 351, 359, 360, 364, 368, 379, 382, 386, 391, 395, 397, 403, 405, 409, 412, 418, 421, 423, 427, 430, 432, 436, 450, 458, 463, 467, 469, 472, 476, 478, 481, 485, 487, 490, 496, 502, 504, 508, 513, 517, 520, 526, 531, 539, 540, 548, 562, 568, 571, 580, 584, 586, 593, 601, 603, 607, 610, 612, 621, 625, 629, 630, 634, 638, 643, 647, 649, 652, 658, 670, 674, 683, 685, 689, 692, 694, 698, 702, 706, 715, 719, 720, 724, 728, 739, 742, 746, 748, 751, 760, 764, 782, 784, 791, 793, 801, 805, 809, 810, 814, 823, 827, 829, 832, 836, 841, 845, 847, 850, 854, 856, 863, 865, 869, 872, 874, 890, 892, 896, 904, 908, 913, 917, 926, 928, 931, 935, 937, 940, 946, 953, 962, 964, 968, 971, 973, 980, 982, 986

Here's another pretty big filter ...... it has to do with long missng digits in the 3rd. position.
Digits 6 is out ...51 days in 3 pos.
      2............ 23
      8 ,,,,,,,,,,, 16 days
      9 ,,,,,,,,,, 14
      7,,,,,,,,,,,13 days
Using numbers that only have these 5 digits in 3rd. position leaves us with these Straights .... down to 114 now.
104 x .25 = 26.50    Win 225.00
016, 018, 025, 027, 036, 045, 049, 058, 067, 076, 085, 089, 098, 106, 108, 126, 135, 139, 148, 157, 175, 179, 197, 205, 207, 216, 238, 247, 256, 265, 269, 278, 287, 289, 296, 298, 306, 315, 319, 328, 346, 359, 368, 379, 386, 395, 397, 405, 409, 418, 427, 436, 458, 467, 469, 476, 478, 485, 487, 496, 508, 517, 526, 539, 548, 568, 586, 607, 625, 629, 638, 647, 649, 658, 685, 689, 698, 706, 715, 719, 728, 739, 746, 748, 805, 809, 827, 829, 836, 845, 847, 856, 865, 869, 896, 908, 917, 926, 928, 935, 937, 946, 968, 986
And hey.... there are only 25 Straights that have the long out digit #6 in third position(51draws out)
You could risk .... 25 straights x .25 = 6.25   Win ... 225.00

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Feb 7, 2007, 11:07 am

Want some insurance on those 25 straights ?
Here are the Box versions of those 104 numbers.... 32 of them
016 018 025 027 036 045 049 058 067 089 126 135 139 148 157 179 238 247 256 269 278 289 346 359 368 379 458 467 469 478 568 689

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Feb 7, 2007, 4:27 pm

You're very close to finding something.

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Feb 7, 2007, 10:25 pm

Win D, what is the best performing 50/50 observation/filter that you have seen? By best performing, I mean that which has the smallest skips or least amount of medium to long-term skips.

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Feb 8, 2007, 9:48 pm

Thanks Jade.... I need a lot of encouragement. Seem to be walking through one storm after the other. Either that ....or I've had a 20 year long lucky streak that just ended about a month ago. LOL
Ofcourse, I am looking at 50 times the data I use to look at too.

Hello Thoth...
I'll have to answer your question with a perception rather than stats.
      The thing I seem to have more confidence in (in general) are the Mostly to ALL ...Even/Odds. It is rare to see those go more than 7 in a row.... perhaps 2 times a year. I will play very Hard at a stack of 8 of those if I can. (other things have to be in line as well ofcourse)
Most of the time a stack of 4 gains my attention ......and generally means go the other way 90% of the time.

   By the way.... Ga. Eve is now 15 days into this 500 number skip .
OH brother.... like Walter Cronkite says... "And You were there" LOL
   It is interesting however.... now I'm curious. I don't think I'ver ever seen a 50/50 go over 16 in a row. Maybe once.
The kiss of death ....in general for most 50/50 groups .... is 9 in a row. That is it! I view it as almost a LOCK...  as good a P3 bet goes anyway. 10 in a row.... RARE enough so one can unload on it with both barrels. Whats the worst that can happen? You Martingale for 2 more draws..then hit. LOL
   $(1-q^x) \cdot y - q^x \cdot y (2^x - 1) = y (1 - (2q)^x)$

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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Feb 9, 2007, 1:34 am

Thianks Win D, Ill keep the mostly even/odds in mind when I start playing boxed again.

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Feb 9, 2007, 9:20 pm

Fri, Feb 9, 2007 6-5-9

   The Straight hit on the orginal 500 list on the second draw ...not the first draw.
So the lesson here is don't filter. Don't filter..... and be prepared to bet for 2 draws not just 1 draw.  Playing the 6 ways only .... more profit.
If you track such things ....and this sort of play interest you... there is still a lot of juice left in the orange. Sum 1. is way way out on a limb. That digit 6 in third position is still about to drop as well.
012, 016, 017, 018, 019, 021, 025, 026, 027, 028, 034, 035, 036, 037, 043, 045, 046, 049, 052, 053, 054, 058, 061, 062, 063, 064, 067, 071, 072, 073, 076, 081, 082, 085, 089, 091, 094, 098, 102, 106, 107, 108, 109, 120, 124, 125, 126, 127, 134, 135, 136, 139, 142, 143, 145, 148, 152, 153, 154, 157, 160, 162, 163, 170, 172, 175, 179, 180, 184, 189, 190, 193, 197, 198, 201, 205, 206, 207, 208, 210, 214, 215, 216, 217, 234, 235, 238, 241, 243, 247, 250, 251, 253, 256, 260, 261, 265, 269, 270, 271, 274, 278, 279, 280, 283, 287, 289, 296, 297, 298, 304, 305, 306, 307, 314, 315, 316, 319, 324, 325, 328, 340, 341, 342, 346, 350, 351, 352, 359, 360, 361, 364, 368, 369, 370, 378, 379, 382, 386, 387, 389, 391, 395, 396, 397, 398, 403, 405, 406, 409, 412, 413, 415, 418, 421, 423, 427, 430, 431, 432, 436, 450, 451, 458, 459, 460, 463, 467, 468, 469, 472, 476, 478, 479, 481, 485, 486, 487, 490, 495, 496, 497, 502, 503, 504, 508, 512, 513, 514, 517, 520, 521, 523, 526, 530, 531, 532, 539, 540, 541, 548, 549, 562, 567, 568, 569, 571, 576, 578, 580, 584, 586, 587, 593, 594, 596, 601, 602, 603, 604, 607, 610, 612, 613, 620, 621, 625, 629, 630, 631, 634, 638, 639, 640, 643, 647, 648, 649, 652, 657, 658, 659, 670, 674, 675, 683, 684, 685, 689, 692, 693, 694, 695, 698, 701, 702, 703, 706, 710, 712, 715, 719, 720, 721, 724, 728, 729, 730, 738, 739, 742, 746, 748, 749, 751, 756, 758, 760, 764, 765, 782, 783, 784, 785, 791, 792, 793, 794, 801, 802, 805, 809, 810, 814, 819, 820, 823, 827, 829, 832, 836, 837, 839, 841, 845, 846, 847, 850, 854, 856, 857, 863, 864, 865, 869, 872, 873, 874, 875, 890, 891, 892, 893, 896, 901, 904, 908, 910, 913, 917, 918, 926, 927, 928, 931, 935, 936, 937, 938, 940, 945, 946, 947, 953, 954, 956, 962, 963, 964, 965, 968, 971, 972, 973, 974, 980, 981, 982, 983, 986

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Feb 9, 2007, 9:59 pm

Correction.... Root 1. for Ga. Eve is way out. ...not sum 1. The expected math average for root 1 is about 9 draws... and actual in Ga Eve draws is about 8. Right now its out 62 draws! So.... a lot past due huh?

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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Original Post by WIN D
OK.... A New Approach to Sums and their Stacks

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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So far the concentration on Stacks of Sums has been on the 500 Straights all being out at the same time for ....a minimum of 10 days right?
If all 5 Short Sums have missed at least 10 days .... all the focus is on the 5th. and weakest digit out or skip time. As long as he has missed 10 skips .... and all the other top 4 sums have missed at least that much .... that was the qualification.
                        NOW... The New approach
      Jump in here if you want ...this is the very beginning.
   Let's start off with this idea... Rather than let the 5th. and shortest time sum be the qualification for this lets concentrate on "ALL" the sums together.
   This way maybe the total skips of the Group all together ...will have more gravity than just the last or 5th. digit.
                              Here's what I mean.
             ID. evening 5 most out short sums skips are:
   Sum
   5.......   41 skips
2....... 31
8......   25
0..... 16
    1........ 9
            122 skips total
Now then..... see the 5th. sum #1 its only out 9 skips not the 10 skips we used to qualify the group in the past. Now we are going to look at the total skip days for the group. Although .....not all 5 of the sums are out minimum of 10 days..... the total is very very high and is actually 122 days total !
Compare that to the old way.... we can look at KY Midday
KY Midday
      Sums
            6.... 20 skips
            9..... 18 skips
            7..... 17
            1..... 16
            0 ...... 11 skips
                     82   total skips
...this was good enough to qualify in the past because all of the sums were all out a minimum of 11 skips....but ...but .... when we total all of them and their current skips...it only totals up to 82 days out! Compare that to the Example above.. in ID. ..... ID's total skip wasn't only 82 days out it was almost 2 times that of KY..... its total was way out ... and was 122 total.
      ID ..total skips 122      KY...total skips only 82

So..... although KY's sums were all out a minimum of 10 draws and ID was only 9 draws. Idaho beats KY in total skips.

I totaled up all the states and I think ..... IDAHO is the top of the list for the total days for missing short sums.

The average for missing sums in most states with higher than normal skips ....was less than 100 days for all 5 sums.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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