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Posted: March 5, 2007, 9:42 pm - IP Logged

I feel that the state should get sued...Why? Because i feel that since the state is indirectly imposing its lottery on its citizens/players, by not allowing free lotteries, it (the state) should AT LEAST SUPPORT another avenue so that players can play if they choose not to play the state lottery...And since the state doesn't want online lotteries to compete with the state, it should at least support free lotteries (or as i call them free ads lottery)...I know that the state is not coercing no one to play lottery and people can choose not to play..But the state is not giving people other choices to play as an option...

My reasoning is the following: You should not say, i don't want you playing another game only mines, and not offer a different games for those that do not like or don't want to play your game....

The lottery should support/fund free lottos if it doesn't want online lottery and is not giving people other choices...

What do you all think?

 

 

"Laura Simpson from Great Lakes, Illinois deserves to be rich..."          "She is so rare....."

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    Posted: March 5, 2007, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

    I always thought the point of the lottery was to make people rich overnight and to raise money for the state's schools and old folk's homes.  I don't see anything inherently wrong with that.  As long as I get a true shot at the jackpot i'm happy.

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      Posted: March 5, 2007, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

      I think you can't tell the people who write the rules how the game should be played.

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        Posted: March 5, 2007, 10:21 pm - IP Logged

        There's nothing states can do about online lotteries even if they wanted to because federal law bans them. Thanks to Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania it's even illegal to purchase lottery tickets from other states unless you buy them yourself in that state. It's all about money and no state wants you spending it to gamble unless it's with them. I'm surprised they allow Indian casinos.

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          Posted: March 5, 2007, 11:51 pm - IP Logged

          I always thought the point of the lottery was to make people rich overnight and to raise money for the state's schools and old folk's homes.  I don't see anything inherently wrong with that.  As long as I get a true shot at the jackpot i'm happy.

          In my opinion, I believe that this viewpoint is the inherit problem associated with lotteries to begin with. Why, because all said and done, Lotteries is just another form of gambling. And with any form of gambling, it is designed to make the House wealthy. Not the players. Sure, you will get a few random “big winners”. But the House wins every single time. And if you believe anything else, your bubble is going to be busted. State run lotteries exist for the sole reason of generating revenue. And in the majority of the situations, it is done due to poor management and greed of the politicians.

           

          The only reason online gambling is outlawed is because none of them are bright enough to setup an arrangement with the States or with the Federal IRS to collect and pay taxes. If just a single online establishment was to make prearrangements to collect, pay and report taxes on all of the participants (much like the Casinos in Vegas does) I do believe they would see more then $50 billion pass thru in the first year. The problem is, both the States and the IRS are too damn greedy to work to find a happy medium to allow public, for profit, Online Lottery to exist.

           

          I think Georgia has done ok with its lottery, but it could do better. Instead of funding special interest quasi-educational related special interest projects, it should be building quality schools and hiring intelligent teachers as well as offering better financial incentives to those school systems that show improved performance along with reduced expulsions of the students deemed “difficult”.

           

          I believe state run Lotteries are perhaps the purest form of volunteer taxation. I also believe that in some cases, it can be a good thing, if managed properly and accounted for. I also believe I will hit it big with the Lottery. But hey, like I stated in my opening sentence, this is only my opinion. And in my little corner of fantasy and reality, that is all that matters to me.

           

          Sir Metro

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            Posted: March 6, 2007, 12:03 am - IP Logged

            I hear you.  Trust me when I tell you, I know all about gamblers and gambling addictions.  I work in a casino!  However, don't go running and praising online gambling.  Online gambling will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be fair or true because of hackers and crackers.  If this wasn't the case, casino owners would have set up online gambling sites long ago.

            Just do a google search and on "cheating at online gambling" or "cheating at online poker" and you will see the reason why they are not going to allow online gambling.  They do not have any guarantees on the amount of money they will make or lose since hackers and crackers will ALWAYS be one step ahead of the best computer programmers; and that my friend is the bottom line.  If they ever found a way to stay ahead of the cheats, you can bet your keester that online gambling sites would legally pop up overnight with agreements with the IRS. 

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              Posted: March 6, 2007, 12:59 am - IP Logged

              I feel that the state should get sued...Why? Because i feel that since the state is indirectly imposing its lottery on its citizens/players, by not allowing free lotteries, it (the state) should AT LEAST SUPPORT another avenue so that players can play if they choose not to play the state lottery...And since the state doesn't want online lotteries to compete with the state, it should at least support free lotteries (or as i call them free ads lottery)...I know that the state is not coercing no one to play lottery and people can choose not to play..But the state is not giving people other choices to play as an option...

              My reasoning is the following: You should not say, i don't want you playing another game only mines, and not offer a different games for those that do not like or don't want to play your game....

              The lottery should support/fund free lottos if it doesn't want online lottery and is not giving people other choices...

              What do you all think?

               

               

              "Laura Simpson from Great Lakes, Illinois deserves to be rich..."          "She is so rare....."

              I think what I have always thought - that you are nuts.

              The 'state' (whatever that is) is not holding a gun to your head, don't play. They are not directly or indirectly forcing you to do anything, just as they don't force you to drink alcohol or smoke.

              And how on earth do you fund a 'free' lottery ??

              I'd like to be able to gamble on sports, but you can only do that in one or two states, where do I line up to sue someone ?

              Sue-sue-sue-sue - someone is responsible....... that's a BIG part of what is wrong with society today - I can't get it my way, who can I sue ? 

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                Posted: March 6, 2007, 1:09 am - IP Logged

                Pumpi,

                The state lotteries are in business to make money. We, the players, are necessary for a lottery to make money, but the lottery only exists to cater to the players in as much as it needs the players to operate.  

                The lottery making money comes first, nothing else.  

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  There's nothing states can do about online lotteries even if they wanted to because federal law bans them. Thanks to Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania it's even illegal to purchase lottery tickets from other states unless you buy them yourself in that state. It's all about money and no state wants you spending it to gamble unless it's with them. I'm surprised they allow Indian casinos.

                  They allow the Native American Casinos because those casinos pay millions each year to the state in tax money.

                  The govt always gets the moolah. They seldom do anything that isn't going to result in more of it for them.

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                    Posted: March 6, 2007, 10:18 am - IP Logged

                    Pumpi,

                    The state lotteries are in business to make money. We, the players, are necessary for a lottery to make money, but the lottery only exists to cater to the players in as much as it needs the players to operate.  

                    The lottery making money comes first, nothing else.  

                    I Agree!

                    The state lottery, a business, has no obligation to fund a "free lottery" just because you don't want to play theirs. 

                    Sueing the state lottery makes no sense.  You want to sue just because you haven't won, and expect something for free?

                    Keep it simple 

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                      Posted: March 6, 2007, 10:34 am - IP Logged

                      They allow the Native American Casinos because those casinos pay millions each year to the state in tax money.

                      The govt always gets the moolah. They seldom do anything that isn't going to result in more of it for them.

                      Badger

                      I'm not sure that the Native American casinos pay taxes:

                      From a blog:

                      One of the upcoming California ballot initiatives asks whether Indian casinos should be required to pay taxes. Thus far, this extremely profitable $6 billion industry (and that’s just here in California) has operated tax-free.

                      I’ve come to the conclusion that native American casinos should pay taxes http://www.rapp.org/archives/2004/04/should_indian_casinos_pay_taxes/pay taxes.

                       Then there's this:

                      Casinos cause property devaluation and lost taxes when businesses and lands are taken over by tax-exempt tribes. While casino owners argue that they create jobs and help neighboring businesses, the casinos (which, as Indian enterprises, do not have to pay the same taxes or abide by the same laws as other establishments) actually damage competing businesses nearby--restaurants, bars, hotels, retail outlets. "When the Indian casino comes to town, nobody else does well," says Benedict.

                      http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleid.18147/article_detail.asp 

                      (Dang, linking not working)

                      We had people on a river boat who had worked on Indian casinos in Wisconsin and Minnesota. The one in Minnesota paid no taxes and so every tribal member got $5100 a month from the casino profits. Not just the employees, every tribal member.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Aren't Native American reservations independent nation-states?  As such, they don't operate under federal tax laws.  Or did I just make that up?

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                          Posted: March 6, 2007, 10:45 am - IP Logged

                          They sell cigarettes tax free, isn't that how they get that on?

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            This question, while drawing the wrong conclusion, does bring up the issue of Government competing in the private sector.    Governments have their own unique way of generating cash, through taxation.  Should they also be "in business" generating profits?  Sometimes their services create losses.  But isn't that something the Government has no business doing?

                            This is only one tiny example but one that bothered me when it happened.  Plastic trash bags came into existence.  You could buy bags cheaper from our City government than you could in the stores.  Much cheaper.  So that was a good thing for consumers.  But it wasn't a good thing for the people that depended on making a profit selling their trash bags.  The Government had no business competing with companies.

                            So do the Governments have the right to be in business running lotteries? 

                            One could argue that it is a tax and therefore perfectly OK.  But then the Government would have to call it a tax to justify collecting it.

                            Strangely, I don't really want the Government to sell off the lotteries but at the same time, I don't think the Government should be in business.

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                              Posted: March 6, 2007, 11:03 am - IP Logged

                              Way before New Hampshire started the lottery, there were "independent business men" running the lottery the whole time.

                              Of course, the main game was what is known as as the "pick 3" but back then it was called "numbers" or "policy" - AHEM! 

                              When those guys ran things there was no tax on winnings.

                               

                              pumpi

                               Re: free lotteries.... gambling critics, and some gamblers themselves would see "free lotteries" and say, "See how people are. They want to win a jackpot without even coughing up a buck ($1) for a ticket."

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.