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do you think the average lottery player cares about computer draws,high prices and bad odds?

yes they do care [ 16 ]  [20.51%]
no they don't care [ 54 ]  [69.23%]
not sure [ 8 ]  [10.26%]
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Posted: April 7, 2007, 6:41 pm - IP Logged

I think EVERYONE who happens to win relies on pure luck.  The lottery draw games are not the same as any casino card game where a level of skill and luck comes into play.  Just looking at the majority of the past 3 years big jackpot game winners will show that only 1 or 2 won by playing their own picks obtained via some type of analysis; the rest won with just the purchase of a QP.  If it were the other way around, then you might have a valid point.  But that is not the case, so good luck does rule the roost in lottery games...to think otherwise, a person is just fooling him/herself.  Like I believe...

The average person that decides to skydive relies on the jumpmaster and luck.  The professional skydiver folds his or her own parachute and relies on themselves not to splatter on touchdown.

I've tried QP's for weeks/months on end, they produce squat, and are not for me, I do MUCH BETTER with my picks.  It is my hobby, I spend time on it, and I am not fooling myself, I have received my first W2-G for 2007, and it wasn't because of a QP.

I agree that luck is part of it, but in my skydiving analogy,  gravity = luck.  OldPA. I'll send you a jpeg of a little winner I hit this past Thursday night and you tell the people here if I was fooling myself or if it was luck.  LOL jarasan

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    Each of us can have the best 'system' ever, but the fact is, I highly doubt any of us have won more than $100 with it a few times, I did extremely well in 2006, but it didn't cover my losses, and I have not won a 4x5 in 2007 yet.

    As I have said forever - I think we can (each) have a 'system' that gets us closer to the ballpark, but it's still going to be dumb luck that wins it.

    I had the exact 'type' of game pegged last night - but I didn't count on a double from the 50's - I played 40's.  I had the positions pretty close - but close doesn't count. 

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      Posted: April 8, 2007, 3:42 am - IP Logged

      Lotto is supposed to be a game of chance

      If we have a life blueprint in us then only when the time is right will we transfer from being from poor to rich.

      You can try all the lotto maths out there but only when the time is right will your numbers come up if at all.

      If you believe  there is a God that controls everything  maybe I am right in this thought.

      Then there is the paranormal thing that the mind can influence things.

      May be if someone is so desperate to win money then they actually force their numbers to come up.

      Just some outside of the normal thoughts. 

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        I think the average player will play a ticket once in a while, or when the jackpot

        gets pretty high and everyone is talking about it. I know a lot of people who will

        buy a ticket, realize that they didn't win the big jack pot, and then give it up

        as a waste of time and money.  What I did not know is that if you go too deeply

        into odds and the number system, we become less intelligent than an average

        player, who understands the value of a dollar.  I am talking about when we spend

        $20 or $30 on a drawing based on a system, and then don't win, and have to

        do it again, thinking that we will win if we play a lot of tickets. Just my two cents.

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          I think the average player will play a ticket once in a while, or when the jackpot

          gets pretty high and everyone is talking about it. I know a lot of people who will

          buy a ticket, realize that they didn't win the big jack pot, and then give it up

          as a waste of time and money.  What I did not know is that if you go too deeply

          into odds and the number system, we become less intelligent than an average

          player, who understands the value of a dollar.  I am talking about when we spend

          $20 or $30 on a drawing based on a system, and then don't win, and have to

          do it again, thinking that we will win if we play a lot of tickets. Just my two cents.

          I feel you but scared money dont make no money

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            I think the average player will play a ticket once in a while, or when the jackpot

            gets pretty high and everyone is talking about it. I know a lot of people who will

            buy a ticket, realize that they didn't win the big jack pot, and then give it up

            as a waste of time and money.  What I did not know is that if you go too deeply

            into odds and the number system, we become less intelligent than an average

            player, who understands the value of a dollar.  I am talking about when we spend

            $20 or $30 on a drawing based on a system, and then don't win, and have to

            do it again, thinking that we will win if we play a lot of tickets. Just my two cents.

            But you are generalizing ALL players under one hat (understanding the value of a dollar), and that's not correct.

            1) There are folks that buy a single QP 'by gosh or by golly'.

            2) There are folks that buy QP 1-2 tickets like clockwork.

            3) There are folks that buy one constant set of numbers every draw like clockwork (usually birthdays, etc.) 

            4) There are folks that have a 'system' and have allocated X dollar/dollars to it, and have that strict dollar limit and never exceed it. By talking to quite a few members here, that limit is between $5 and $10 per drawing.  Nothing killer.

            5) There are folks totally out-of-control and spend whatever they can, QP - system - no system, it doesn't matter. $30 - $50 - $200 or more, and anything in-between.

             

            Most sales are the first kind.

            My guess is most folks here fall under the fourth category.  Most folks in this category know the odds, and they view this as a GAME, just as folks hunt, fish, bowl, golf, play bingo, some of us view this as a GAME just like any other, just like getting in the ncaa basketball pool, the super bowl pool or any other 'contest'.......

            Why would someone spend $300 to watch a bunch of cars go around in circles for 3 hours on Sunday ?

            Why would someone spend $150 to watch 8 total minutes of baseball action at a major league game ?

            Because we CAN, that's why. 

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              Posted: April 9, 2007, 10:14 am - IP Logged

               Every body bets the "same" amount - not same as in monetary amount, but same as in how much it takes to give them a thrill.  

              Some people get just as big a thrill out of checking one line of numbers as others do out of checking a lot more than that.  

              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

              Lep

              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                The average person that decides to skydive relies on the jumpmaster and luck.  The professional skydiver folds his or her own parachute and relies on themselves not to splatter on touchdown.

                I've tried QP's for weeks/months on end, they produce squat, and are not for me, I do MUCH BETTER with my picks.  It is my hobby, I spend time on it, and I am not fooling myself, I have received my first W2-G for 2007, and it wasn't because of a QP.

                I agree that luck is part of it, but in my skydiving analogy,  gravity = luck.  OldPA. I'll send you a jpeg of a little winner I hit this past Thursday night and you tell the people here if I was fooling myself or if it was luck.  LOL jarasan

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                I never said that people who pick there own numbers NEVER win.  What I did say is that people who purchase QPs WIN MORE OFTEN.  Heck, even I have received a W-2G for winnings from my own picks, so I won't deny you that.  Perhaps you do much better with your own picks just because you play more of your own picks than QPs.  I can tell you that those 60-70% of jackpot winners who won by just buying a QP (or QPs) will say that they had much better luck doing that than playing their own numbers.  It's all based upon the perspective of your experience.

                Now I wouldn't use the term professional and average together when talking about the lottery.  In athletics and business you have professionals...professional basketball player, professional golfer, professional tennis player, professional bowler,etc; accounting professional, medical professional, etc.  In the area of professional sports, just the mere fact of being a professional does not guarantee that one will win their respective championship; but those who hone their skills to be among the best are usually rewarded with appearances in their respective all-star games and generous compensation.  Using your example, the "adventurous" (not average) person who decides to skydive HAS to rely on a jumpmaster in order to skydive SAFELY until that person has the required experience and demonstrated skills to do so alone.  Because that new skydiver does not either have the experience or knowledge of how to properly fold his/her parachute, that person HAS  to rely on the professional to do it.  There are people who have been playing the lottery for 20 or 30 years without a third tier and above win playing their own numbers.  There are people who decided to purchase their first or first few tickets and actually won jackpot games like the Big Game, Powerball, and state lottos.  In this case, if you choose to call people who have been playing the lottery for a long time or those who participate in forums like LP "professionals", then I would say that there are many more cases of "average lottery players" who have actually achieved what a lot of "professionals" only continue to dream about...a jackpot lottery win!  Your past experience or use of a system DOES NOT matter when it comes to your chances of success in winning a jackpot game.  The only thing that matters in actually winning a jackpot game is a person luckily having purchased EITHER a QP or an own pick with the numbers that by HAPPENSTANCE rolled in that particular drawing. 

                Nothing personal with the "fooling yourself" statement, but anyone with a rational viewpoint of the lottery would say that the person who thinks what they do (playing a system, superstititious ticket buying habits) is indeed fooling him/herself.  Politely spoken, they might even say the person is a bit delusional.  But if you get enjoyment from playing strictly your own picks, have at it.  But I cannot ignore the success those QPers have had, so that is what I will be doing from here on out.  BTW when my QPs ever happen to match all 6 numbers, I will send you a jpeg of the photo of me posing with my oversized jackpot check!

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                The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                  FYI:  The only Powerball jackpot winners in the past 2 years who did so using a "system" (both frequently played favorite numbers like birthdates, etc as well as trend analysis) were

                  2006 - Jackie Alston, Lan Nguyen (note: there were 11 total jackpot winners in 2006)

                  2005 - Hugh Hawkins, Brad Duke (note: there were 14 total jackpot winners in 2005)

                  I am fairly certain that if you examined the winners from 2003 and 2004 as well as before that time, the same ratio would hold true.  Why can't a lot of LPers face it that people who buy QPs simply win more often than those who use any type of own pick system or strategy?  If you aren't convinced, it only makes me and other QPers happy because when anyone who plays and win buying QPs, they can truly thank the millions who "lost" picking their own numbers for the huge jackpot they are about to transfer into their investment accounts.

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                  The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                    Posted: April 9, 2007, 1:23 pm - IP Logged

                    "Nothing personal with the "fooling yourself" statement, but anyone with a rational viewpoint of the lottery would say that the person who thinks what they do (playing a system, superstititious ticket buying habits) is indeed fooling him/herself.  Politely spoken, they might even say the person is a bit delusional.  But if you get enjoyment from playing strictly your own picks, have at it.  But I cannot ignore the success those QPers have had, so that is what I will be doing from here on out.  BTW when my QPs ever happen to match all 6 numbers, I will send you a jpeg of the photo of me posing with my oversized jackpot check!"

                    Nothing personal but who's being delusional now?  Less then 0.000000008% of lottery tickets ever have all the winning numbers.  Believing a QP, a ticket with some lucky numbers or one bought at a certain time has a better chance of winning are all superstitions.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      When I win on my lottery ticket which is not very often.  I do not care about the cost, the odds, etc.-weshar75

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                        I think the average player will play a ticket once in a while, or when the jackpot

                        gets pretty high and everyone is talking about it. I know a lot of people who will

                        buy a ticket, realize that they didn't win the big jack pot, and then give it up

                        as a waste of time and money.  What I did not know is that if you go too deeply

                        into odds and the number system, we become less intelligent than an average

                        player, who understands the value of a dollar.  I am talking about when we spend

                        $20 or $30 on a drawing based on a system, and then don't win, and have to

                        do it again, thinking that we will win if we play a lot of tickets. Just my two cents.

                        "I think the average player will play a ticket once in a while, or when the jackpot gets pretty high and everyone is talking about it."

                        Had the question been "how does the average person play the lottery", you're answer would be correct but you just described an occasional player.

                        "What I did not know is that if you go too deeply into odds and the number system, we become less intelligent than an average player, who understands the value of a dollar."

                        For a dollar you get a chance to hit the jackpot and since there are very few other ways to turn one buck into $100 million, the odds are less relevant.

                        I've read statistics that about 70% of those dollars are spent on QPs so it's obvious the majority of players get QPs. About 70% of jackpot winners come from QPs and to the average player, the only odds they need to understand, is that their QP has the same chance of winning as the other QPs.

                        "I am talking about when we spend $20 or $30 on a drawing based on a system, and then don't win, and have to do it again, thinking that we will win if we play a lot of tickets."

                        It depends on which game you're playing but in the huge multi-state lottery games the overall odds of winning any prize is 1 in 40 so you would have to bet another $10 if you expect to win anything. A good system should give you the numbers that are most likely to hit and with a sound playing strategy you should do better than 1 in 40.

                        In most states more than half the money is wagered on instant scratch-off tickets so I doubt the average player cares what the odds really are.

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                          RJOH:  I wasn't being nor am I delusional; I was merely being sarcastic.  Everybody knows that the overwhelming majority of all the millions of lottery tickets purchased are losers.  But all that matters are those few who do match and win.  Since I can afford to wager a dollar or more every week on the lottery, that is what I choose to do.  I also have a good amount of my money working for me in various mutual funds that have returned over 12 percent the past three years, and I had done equally as well in my investments prior to that time.  So no, I am not delusional.  And perhaps I shouldn't quit my day career to become a comedian because apparently my sense of humor flew right over your head!  Don't take things so seriously...how can you when you play the lottery!

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                          The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                            The lottery is a true numbers game affected by the trend of how it is played...chances are the majority of lottery players purchase QPs, therefore, the majority of jackpot winners happen to be those who purchased QPs.  Typically, the 2nd tier Powerball winners are those who happened to only match the first five but not the powerball to only win $200,000.  But with the 10X Powerplay promotion, more people who ordinarily wouldn't powerplay are actually doing so.  That perhaps explains why Saturday's draw for a measly $15M (not in my view, but those who say they only play when the jackpot gets BIG) produced FIVE $800,000 second prize winners and only TWO $200,000 winners.

                            BTW:  I like that this is a forum...a really good forum medium features those of a certain viewpoint and those of the opposite...such an environment encourages lively discussion.

                            Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

                            The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                              When I win on my lottery ticket which is not very often.  I do not care about the cost, the odds, etc.-weshar75

                              I Agree!

                              Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

                              The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!