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justxploring's avatar - villiarna
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Posted: May 12, 2007, 7:26 pm - IP Logged

I'm not sure what forum in which to post this, since this is not an instant game and not a jackpot game.

Florida is going to have another Raffle for July 4th.  Tickets will go on sale May 18.  Tickets cost $20 each. 

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    I'm not sure what forum in which to post this, since this is not an instant game and not a jackpot game.

    Florida is going to have another Raffle for July 4th.  Tickets will go on sale May 18.  Tickets cost $20 each. 

    Another huge ripoff.

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      Posted: May 13, 2007, 7:16 am - IP Logged

      Another huge ripoff.

      Can you substantiate that claim with any facts?  I happen to think that the raffles are some of the best non-ripoffs of any lottery game.

       

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        Can you substantiate that claim with any facts?  I happen to think that the raffles are some of the best non-ripoffs of any lottery game.

            I haven't won anything yet, but I agree with Todd's statement.

         

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          Posted: May 13, 2007, 1:03 pm - IP Logged

          ODDS OF WINNING.  Which is better?

          Last time I didn't buy a Raffle ticket and I have even less money now to gamble! But maybe the odds are much better than the Lotto.  I play 4 combinations twice a week.  $40 would be 10 drawings.  Two Raffle tickets = $40. 

          Lotto has 1 in 23 million odds. (starts at $3M and is now $10M)   The Raffle is advertising odds of 1 in 125,000 (12 winners guaranteed to win $1M)  25 people will win $100,000 (odds are 1 in 60,000) and 200 people will win $10,000 (with odds of 1 in 7,500)  I realize the odds still aren't great, but aren't they better than most jackpot games?

          I will still play my Lotto numbers, but why do the odds for this Raffle look so much better?  Are they at least 20 times better to justify the cost?  Comments, please. 

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            Posted: May 13, 2007, 1:54 pm - IP Logged

            ODDS OF WINNING.  Which is better?

            Last time I didn't buy a Raffle ticket and I have even less money now to gamble! But maybe the odds are much better than the Lotto.  I play 4 combinations twice a week.  $40 would be 10 drawings.  Two Raffle tickets = $40. 

            Lotto has 1 in 23 million odds. (starts at $3M and is now $10M)   The Raffle is advertising odds of 1 in 125,000 (12 winners guaranteed to win $1M)  25 people will win $100,000 (odds are 1 in 60,000) and 200 people will win $10,000 (with odds of 1 in 7,500)  I realize the odds still aren't great, but aren't they better than most jackpot games?

            I will still play my Lotto numbers, but why do the odds for this Raffle look so much better?  Are they at least 20 times better to justify the cost?  Comments, please. 

            the raffle odds are good compared to the larger lotteries because we never know when they will end and when they will have a winner but the raffle has a set drawing date and much better odds. i went to georgia a few weeks ago to get a ticket for their new raffle game and i have many tickets for the raffle in tennessee monday. i will head to kentucky to get some raffle tickets for their new raffle they are having. so i agree with you justx and todd the odds are good enough to take but at least one ticket and take a chance in most state raffles...

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              Posted: May 14, 2007, 5:28 pm - IP Logged

              ODDS OF WINNING.  Which is better?

              Last time I didn't buy a Raffle ticket and I have even less money now to gamble! But maybe the odds are much better than the Lotto.  I play 4 combinations twice a week.  $40 would be 10 drawings.  Two Raffle tickets = $40. 

              Lotto has 1 in 23 million odds. (starts at $3M and is now $10M)   The Raffle is advertising odds of 1 in 125,000 (12 winners guaranteed to win $1M)  25 people will win $100,000 (odds are 1 in 60,000) and 200 people will win $10,000 (with odds of 1 in 7,500)  I realize the odds still aren't great, but aren't they better than most jackpot games?

              I will still play my Lotto numbers, but why do the odds for this Raffle look so much better?  Are they at least 20 times better to justify the cost?  Comments, please. 

              Yes the odds are very much better..I remember the last raffle Florida had...it was a great success. I made one mistake on that one , i bought all my tickets at the same time: the numbers are selected  ramdomly so that one winning ticket number may appear at the head of the list and one at the end...etc...

              Do yourself a favor and further spread your chances by buying you tickets over a week or two time...so that you are not locked into one specific slot of numbers.... I'd much rather be playing in a 1/125K game than a 1/23m odds game....

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                Yes the odds are very much better..I remember the last raffle Florida had...it was a great success. I made one mistake on that one , i bought all my tickets at the same time: the numbers are selected  ramdomly so that one winning ticket number may appear at the head of the list and one at the end...etc...

                Do yourself a favor and further spread your chances by buying you tickets over a week or two time...so that you are not locked into one specific slot of numbers.... I'd much rather be playing in a 1/125K game than a 1/23m odds game....

                Thanks for posting, but I'm not so sure that really makes a difference, although many people would agree with you.  I did notice that when they published the list of winners last time, the cities were spread all over the state.  So how does it work?  Do they use the same method as a QP for a jackpot game?  Is the number generated by the store terminal?

                If so, then it shouldn't matter what time or what day you buy your ticket.  To me "random" means that 10 tickets in a row can be winners or that no winners at all will be picked from an entire county....just the luck of the draw. 


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                  Thanks for posting, but I'm not so sure that really makes a difference, although many people would agree with you.  I did notice that when they published the list of winners last time, the cities were spread all over the state.  So how does it work?  Do they use the same method as a QP for a jackpot game?  Is the number generated by the store terminal?

                  If so, then it shouldn't matter what time or what day you buy your ticket.  To me "random" means that 10 tickets in a row can be winners or that no winners at all will be picked from an entire county....just the luck of the draw. 

                  I think that it's possible for different states to use different seeds in their programming, however, I don't think it matters one way or the other.

                  After they throw the balls and the machine down a long staircase, then change the position of the tubes, do pre-tests to make sure everything works properly.( Yeah right...like doing pre-tests prevents catastrophes...Yeah OK......!), Then we can be assured that it's as random as possible.

                  I'd rather take the chance of a computerized draw "MAYBE" being tampered with. "MAYBE"!

                  Knowing the fact that all mechanical ones are forced through a seive, atleast I know ahead of time, meaning....I know ahead of time that those events are definitely taking place. With computerized...It's definitely not the same in every case. It's very hard for me to believe that every computerized state is acting suspiciously so well, that no one has been able to prove it. That's good stealth action there...LOL This amount of time, and no one found anything? 

                  Just one man's opiness....LOL

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                    Posted: May 14, 2007, 6:48 pm - IP Logged

                    Let's say the odds 'sound better'. The lotery being the "bookie" in this case, these raffles are a bookie's "wet dream".

                    This is the way Illinois' raffle worked:

                    $10 ticket, 500,000 tickets had to be sold, which they were.

                    A total of 509 prized paid out. I think it was 4 for $1,000,000, 5 for $100,000 and 500 for $1,000.

                    Take a good look:

                      500,000  entries

                    -       509 winners

                    _________________

                     = 499, 491 losers. 

                    So with two fields, one of 509, and the other being 499, 491, which one do you think you'd land in?

                    500,000 X $20 = $10,000,000, half of it paid out in prizes and the other half a guranteed $5,000,000 for the state.

                    I bought one ticket and mine was in the 28000 series. (Illinois had a zero in front so it was 0280000 something).

                    Not one ticket in the 28000 series won anything. 

                    While the lower odds sound attractive compared to a jackpot game, the $20 "buy-in" as compared to a $1 buy-in is quite a bit steeper.

                    In poker there's a thing called "pot odds" which is a comparison of  the odds against drawing the cards you need to make a hand to the odds determined by how much is in the pot and how much of that you have put in the pot. This is kind of a lotto version of the same thing, on a much grander scale.

                    As far as raffle "quick picks", I think if you were to buy more than one raffle ticket you would find out they are issued in sequence. I'm not absolutely positive about that, but i know that when we had the raffle the serial number of the tickets were determined largely by the date they had been drawn.  

                    The earlier tickets had lower numbers than tickets purchased afterwards, so they had to have been issued in sequence.

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                    Just my $.02, but comsidering the example above of 509 winners as oppossed to 499,491 losers I'd like to see a law passed that any state lottery conducting a raffle has to pay out 80% of the take in prizes, not 50%.

                    Either that or a "booby prize raffle" that would go something like this - it's half price of whatever the raffle is going for. You pick up a playslip and SASE envelope form the lottery commission with a form that says:

                    Dear (fill in the state _ _ _ _ _) lottery. Enclosed is my $_ _ for the booby prize raffle. I can't stand having this $_ _ and just want to send it to the lottery without the formality of getting a ticket I have to check the number on when the winners are listed.

                    Sincerely,

                    Shlomo Schmuck

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                      And by the way...If most people think that pre-tests are done because of past tampering.....Well...fine...good reason...BUT!

                      BUT! If they just tell everyone that they are doing pre-tests and they secretly don't do them, then it'll be somewhat fair. It's just like the new surveillance cameras at your local super market. They have dark one way glass bowls covering the cameras so you can't see whether they are looking at you or not. I've heard that some owners are just buying the bowls and not the cameras. Since you can't see the camera anyway, you'll never know if there's one there or not....Brilliant!

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                        Pac, that's like putting one of those Brinks or ADT signs on your lawn without actually having a burglar alarm.  It's just a sign!  I can't imagine that a supermarket would have "fake" cameras just to make a would-be thief think twice about stuffing a pound of ground round down his pants.

                        Okay - now I'm confused, since the above post is talking about balls and pre-tests.  What has this to do with the Raffle games?  I thought that the Raffle printed out the numbers in sequence (as Coin Toss described) and then they are chosen by a central computer.  How can the lottery use the same method (the ball draw) that they use for a jackpot game?  I mean if you have a number like 238976, then there can't possibly be a drawing for this number using balls.  Isn't it a computerized drawing?

                        From the Florida Lottery web site:

                        "...tickets will automatically print from the terminal with ticket numbers issued in sequential order from 1 to 1,500,000 as they are sold around the state."


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                          Pac, that's like putting one of those Brinks or ADT signs on your lawn without actually having a burglar alarm.  It's just a sign!  I can't imagine that a supermarket would have "fake" cameras just to make a would-be thief think twice about stuffing a pound of ground round down his pants.

                          Okay - now I'm confused, since the above post is talking about balls and pre-tests.  What has this to do with the Raffle games?  I thought that the Raffle printed out the numbers in sequence (as Coin Toss described) and then they are chosen by a central computer.  How can the lottery use the same method (the ball draw) that they use for a jackpot game?  I mean if you have a number like 238976, then there can't possibly be a drawing for this number using balls.  Isn't it a computerized drawing?

                          From the Florida Lottery web site:

                          "...tickets will automatically print from the terminal with ticket numbers issued in sequential order from 1 to 1,500,000 as they are sold around the state."

                          Sorry...I didn't know how the raffle worked. The wine was really good...LOL

                          It's good I don't drink and drive.....LOL

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                            I won 50.00 in the cars and cash raffle they had the last time. It wasn't that much but it still gave me and people in line at the Publix a big thrill hearing the dinging going off on the lotto machine and we all wondered what I had won.

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                              Posted: May 18, 2007, 10:38 am - IP Logged

                              Tickets went on sale this morning and it looks as if over 10,000 were sold within the first couple of hours.  I'm not sure what time the game went online.

                              I thought sales would be a little slower now that the "snowbirds" have left.  $20 is a lot of money for one ticket.  The odds make it very tempting, although I don't know anyone who won even the $10,000 prize.  This time they doubled the number of $10,000 winners.