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How to Beat Powerball: And drastically reduce the odds (theory)...

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Posted: May 24, 2007, 8:11 pm - IP Logged

This happens to me all the time. The people are very inept.

One time I walked into a 7-11, and proceeded to hand my betslip to this Indian fellow. I said cash 3. He then handed me three dollars. I said...Why are you giving me 3 dollars? He said "because you asked cash 3, and I give you cash". I said no...you don't understand...it's a game. He then lifted both hands in the air with his palms facing me. I asked him....what are you doing?...He said you want to play game....I said...What? He said....but you asked to play game...maybe patty cake?....I said...I'm not playing patty cake OK? He appologized...

 

Finally the betslip slipped out of his hand, and when he went after it, he slipped and all the bets were off.

Not a true story, but I felt like writing...LOL 

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    Posted: May 24, 2007, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

    Funny!  Green laugh 

     

    I knew it wasn't a true story.  I once went to that same 7-11 and said "Play-4 please" and he asked me "Play for what?"  I said "I want a ticket for tonight" and he said "But you didn't park illegally so you don't deserve a ticket."  I got so frustrated I said "Okay, how about a quick pick" and he stuck his finger in his nose.  I finally said "okay I'll just give you my number" and his wife came out from the back room and slapped me silly. 


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      Posted: May 24, 2007, 8:41 pm - IP Logged

      Funny!  Green laugh 

       

      I knew it wasn't a true story.  I once went to that same 7-11 and said "Play-4 please" and he asked me "Play for what?"  I said "I want a ticket for tonight" and he said "But you didn't park illegally so you don't deserve a ticket."  I got so frustrated I said "Okay, how about a quick pick" and he stuck his finger in his nose.  I finally said "okay I'll just give you my number" and his wife came out from the back room and slapped me silly. 

      I just love your versatility....

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        Tntea,it was only half an hour but again,this was a dozen years ago when the machines seemed slower. I was running a betslip through over and over, so five at a time. Now I think you can play up to 10 on a betslip,is that correct?

        In TN.. only five lines...

        ok.. running the betslip over and over takes more time.  Usually a customer will say I want 100 qp.. I punch in 5 with 19 repeats and the machine does the clicking.. and I am free to move on to do something else for a few minutes..

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          Posted: May 24, 2007, 9:29 pm - IP Logged

          It took me almost a half hour to get 5 Mega Millions QPs one night.

          First he ran 5 Classic Lotto QPs then had to cancel them when I told him I wanted Mega Millions. Then he hands me 5 Rolling Cash 5 QPs and had to cancel those too. When he finally got it right, he asked for $6 because he checked "yes" to the Kicker after I told him "no".

          I gave him the 6 bucks because by that time there were 22 people in the check-out line.

          omg.. sounds like you were in Florida.. I had a horrible time at four different places the first week in May trying to play .. Seems like no one knew how to fill in the playslips..

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            Posted: May 24, 2007, 9:35 pm - IP Logged

            I usually do use play slips but sometimes they tell me the reader isn't working or the play slips I used in the last two draws are filled out incorrectly so I told him "5 auto Mega Millions, no Kicker".

            If I would handed him a couple of play slips, the line behind me would have been here to Florida.

            That must to have been during the time I was in Florida.. Since things got so screwed up, it may have been because the Florida clerks were receiving playslips from those who were in the OHIO line and they were using the wrong slips... Makes better sense now..

             

            The first place I went to, my hubby said, maybe they were just a relief person.. But after 4 different stores.. we wondered what was up with these clerks..

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              Posted: May 24, 2007, 9:40 pm - IP Logged

              "I mean if you can narrow it down to 1 sum total your odds for winning powerball (the 5/5 match) will be 1 in 22,589.35 with 1 ticket...But because we have 5 sum totals we have to multiply 22,589.35 x 5 = and this will give you the odds of 1 in 112,947...But it gets better..I can also notice that the E/O types, they are 31 E/O types which are:"

              An odd sum has either 5 odd numbers, 1 odd number and 4 even numbers, or 3 odd numbers and 2 even numbers. In a 5/55 matrix there are 33,312 combinations with a sum of 119, 1911 combinations have 5 odd numbers, 9535 combinations have 1 odd and 4 even numbers, and 21,866 with 3 odd and 2 even numbers.

              "Now theoretically each sum total should have an equal amount of combinations with each of the 31 E/O types."

              There are 16 E/O types with odd sums and 6 of them begin with an odd number so you might consider using high/low filtering too.

              "question: Could you have bout 56,473.5 combinations or the 18,215 combinations and win Powerball...Theoretically speaking you might have..."

              If you "knew" the sum was going to 119 and in fact the sum is 119, you have 1 second prize winner by playing 33,312 combinations. But to win Powerball you would also have to match the PB number so you have to play more combinations unless you "knew" the PB number too.

              It's a fact you can greatly reduce the amount of combinations "if" you know what the sum will be but since there are sums of 15 - 265, that's a mighty big "IF". How long would it take to accurately fill out and play 6662 play slips?

              Stack47 said: "There are 16 E/O types with odd sums and 6 of them begin with an odd number so you might consider using high/low filtering too."

              Could you explain what you mean by: "and 6 of them begin with an odd number"....YOu mean 6 of them have the odd ("O") letter?

              Stack47 said: "If you "knew" the sum was going to 119 and in fact the sum is 119, you have 1 second prize winner by playing 33,312 combinations. But to win Powerball you would also have to match the PB number so you have to play more combinations unless you "knew" the PB number too. "

              It will be 33,312 x 42 = 1,399,104....Exactly 1.4 million...Just have to wait for the jackpot to grow to 100 million you then bet those 1.4 million & you will win 98.6 million dollars...Plus the 42, 5/5 matches which is 8.4 million dollars..You will have gain 107 million dollars...The hard part is narrowing down the sum totals to 1...My opinion is that narrowing down the sum total field to 1 sum total is too hard/extreme (not saying it couldn't happened, just that you will have 1.4 million dollars on the line)...I think the most extreme you can go is with narrowing down the field to 5 sum totals...

               

               

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                Posted: May 24, 2007, 9:46 pm - IP Logged

                I can relate. No driving skills, and no incentive in learning the green machine. It's frustrating.

                I think it's a prerequisite...LOL

                That's why it's called FloriDUH!

                The waiting room for GOD..

                Either you're a newly wed, or nearly dead...LOL

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                  Posted: May 24, 2007, 11:43 pm - IP Logged

                  E/O, Sums, Decades, High/Low, Hot/Cold...

                  All layers of ambiguity that have the same properties...

                  1.) It gets expensive to translate back into playable numbers.

                  2.) Even when condensed.. the results are still just as random, so you will never actually know in advance what sum or O/E combo is coming.

                  Don't take my word for it, backtest (that's cheaper than covering a vauge pick like EOOEE with actual tickets). The most I ever played was 4 full betslips (w/ powerplay...$40). I am now down to 1 ticket and finally got back into system programming so they are my numbers rather than a QP... no hits yet, but it's easier to take when my 1 line didn't match than when my $40 in tickets headed for the trash.

                  Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.


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                    Posted: May 24, 2007, 11:56 pm - IP Logged

                    LOL  OMG!! Inept!

                    to  me  that  was  a  sign  of  bad  luck  and  to  keep  your  money ??Rant

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                      Stack47 said: "There are 16 E/O types with odd sums and 6 of them begin with an odd number so you might consider using high/low filtering too."

                      Could you explain what you mean by: "and 6 of them begin with an odd number"....YOu mean 6 of them have the odd ("O") letter?

                      Stack47 said: "If you "knew" the sum was going to 119 and in fact the sum is 119, you have 1 second prize winner by playing 33,312 combinations. But to win Powerball you would also have to match the PB number so you have to play more combinations unless you "knew" the PB number too. "

                      It will be 33,312 x 42 = 1,399,104....Exactly 1.4 million...Just have to wait for the jackpot to grow to 100 million you then bet those 1.4 million & you will win 98.6 million dollars...Plus the 42, 5/5 matches which is 8.4 million dollars..You will have gain 107 million dollars...The hard part is narrowing down the sum totals to 1...My opinion is that narrowing down the sum total field to 1 sum total is too hard/extreme (not saying it couldn't happened, just that you will have 1.4 million dollars on the line)...I think the most extreme you can go is with narrowing down the field to 5 sum totals...

                       

                       

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                      Pumpi,

                      You were talking about using 1 sum like 119 and all 33,312 combinations with the sum of 119 have either 5 odd numbers, 1 odd number and 4 even numbers, or 3 odd numbers and 2 even numbers. Then you broke down the odd to even distribution from high to low into 32 sets but only half (16) have an odd or even sum (3 even numbers and 2 odd numbers has an even sum). I looked at your even sum chart when I said "6 of them begin with an odd number", but actually there are 8.

                      1 odd, 4 even:

                      OEEEE    EOEEE    EEOEE    EEEOE    EEEEO

                      3 odd, 2 even:

                      OOOEE    OOEOE    OOEEO    OEOOE    OEOEO

                      OEEOO    EOOOE    EOOEO    EOEOO    EEOOO   

                      5 odd:

                      OOOOO

                      "It will be 33,312 x 42 = 1,399,104....Exactly 1.4 million...Just have to wait for the jackpot to grow to 100 million"

                      If I could get my hands on $1,399,104, I could probably get another $2,079,657 and play all the combinations and try to pick the correct power ball number and forget about sums and even/odd distributions.

                      How long would it take to accurately fill out and play 279,821 play slips? Would you need a fork lift to move them?

                      "I think the most extreme you can go is with narrowing down the field to 5 sum totals..."

                      In the middle of the bell curve that would be almost 200,000 combinations and only 1 combination would have all 5 numbers if you guessed correctly. Wouldn't it be easier to pick birthday numbers or QPs like most of the jackpot winners have done?

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                        to  me  that  was  a  sign  of  bad  luck  and  to  keep  your  money ??Rant

                        You can't cancel Mega Millions tickets in Ohio and if I had tried, the people in line behind me would have lynched me.

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                          Also you then record the ships draws lenght and list them and then ascertain that the less skips lenght is the minimum a draw will play...Example is E/O type OOEOE plays in draw 1, then on draw 8, then on draw 20, the on draw 34, then on draw 50 you can assume that the OOEOE will play or come up at least every 8 draws...How? you record the differences between draws in this case 1,8,20,34,50 which should be 7-12-14-15 and you then assume that the least difference of skips lenght means that the particular E/O type OOEOE should come up every 7 draws to be on the safe side...The average doesn't really help in this case so you can basically eliminate the OOEOE until 7 draws have passed...You also have to take into account the percentage that the least lenght skip appears on your list....I say if is less than 25% you should take it as the average time the skip will repeat...Example, the skip lenght difference we mentioned above were: 7-12-14-15 now imagine that you had a skip difference lenght of 19-12-14-15...NOw 1 skip lenght difference even though is discouraging 1 skip lenght difference appears 1 in 4 or 25% of the time and it doesn't exceed it, so you should take it....You will not see this in statistics....If is above 33.3% you should not take it even though you can try though you should have it in mind that there is a limit not to jeapardize your objective...And your objective is to correctly forecast or should i say "pin-point" where every E/O type will show up or when each E/O type will not show up.....I said 25% but scientists can research it further and determine UNTIL which percentage is safe....I invented this system to better calculate averages and this way predict better random phenomena, though is very easy, though i don't know if this has been invented or is known already...With this system i devised you can calculate or better pin-point random walk footprints.....

                           

                           

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                            I found 5 patterns total....And the 4th pattern related to the number 1st pattern...But i haven't finish...It may take me, a couple of more days...I don't know how i am going to post the 136 draws starting from the first Powerball draw of 2006 'til now...The 5 patterns are unknown...You may consider it not to be a big thing (like the biggest discovery ever) but yet they are patterns...I am still analyzing the patterns....

                            COMMENTS: Now imagine if we could apply this to California's Super Lotto Plus that has like 60 million combinations...Powerball has 150 million combinations 3 times more combinations than California's SuperLotto Plus...So if i am correct and we can narrow down from 150 millon Powerball combinations to 50,000 or 35,000 imagine how much we could reduce California Super Lotto Plus that has like 60 million combinations...California Super Lotto Plus starts with a jackpot of 8 million dollars and it grows from there...

                             

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                              My file show the last PB matrix change was 09/07/05, 177 drawings ago.  I haven't played PB in a while cause I have to drive to Indiana to play but I like to keep my file updated.

                               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                                 
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