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OK lets see if I can explain this better lets suppose that you want to wheel these numbers.

001234556789

012345567789

022556778888

012235668899

I know that wheeling these will give me a lot of numbers

I just want to know if you need a 12 digit wheel for these

or not and if you do is their such a thing as a 12 digit wheel.

The Pick-4 game consists of 10,000 numbers. They are a count up from 0000, 0001, 0002, etc. through to 9999.  Those 10,000 contain every possible four digit combination from 0123456789.

There is no need to use 12 digits 001234556789 as like Prego it's already in the 10,000  like 0012 it's in there, 0123 it's in there.

Take 02255678888 that's 025678 you can wheel them in the Maybell Wheeler and you'll find every possible Pick-4 number those digits can combine to make.  0225, it'll be in there, 8888 it'll be in there.

Yes there are 12 digit wheels for games that are larger, say a Pick-4/30 game or they are made for Pick-5 games where you'd add a key, king, monarch, number to each 4 number wheeled line.  Generally these games don't require you to pick the winning numbers positionally and don't draw duplicate numbers so the odds drop to what you would expect playing Pick-4 box all different digits only.  BobP

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The Pick-4 game consists of 10,000 numbers. They are a count up from 0000, 0001, 0002, etc. through to 9999.  Those 10,000 contain every possible four digit combination from 0123456789.

There is no need to use 12 digits 001234556789 as like Prego it's already in the 10,000  like 0012 it's in there, 0123 it's in there.

Take 02255678888 that's 025678 you can wheel them in the Maybell Wheeler and you'll find every possible Pick-4 number those digits can combine to make.  0225, it'll be in there, 8888 it'll be in there.

Yes there are 12 digit wheels for games that are larger, say a Pick-4/30 game or they are made for Pick-5 games where you'd add a key, king, monarch, number to each 4 number wheeled line.  Generally these games don't require you to pick the winning numbers positionally and don't draw duplicate numbers so the odds drop to what you would expect playing Pick-4 box all different digits only.  BobP

OK I understand what you say here, What I wanted to know is this, you take digits

02255678888 and only these and you wheel them.so you get

0225

0226

0255

and you keep going only using those 12 numbers until you have wheeled them all.

Am I making any sense here.

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OK I understand what you say here, What I wanted to know is this, you take digits

02255678888 and only these and you wheel them.so you get

0225

0226

0255

and you keep going only using those 12 numbers until you have wheeled them all.

Am I making any sense here.

Actually 02255678888 are the six digits 0-2-5-6-7-8 and if you wheel them with Maybells QuikWheels you will have 1296 straight combinations starting with 0000 and ending with 8888 which includes 0225, 0226 and 0255.  You can filter out the combinations you don't want.

0000-0002-0005-0006-0007-0008-0020-0022-0025-0026
0027-0028-0050-0052-0055-0056-0057-0058-0060-0062
0065-0066-0067-0068-0070-0072-0075-0076-0077-0078
0080-0082-0085-0086-0087-0088-0200-0202-0205-0206
0207-0208-0220-0222-0225-0226-0227-0228-0250-0252
0255-0256-0257-0258-0260-0262-0265-0266-0267-0268
0270-0272-0275-0276-0277-0278-0280-0282-0285-0286
0287-0288-0500-0502-0505-0506-0507-0508-0520-0522
0525-0526-0527-0528-0550-0552-0555-0556-0557-0558
0560-0562-0565-0566-0567-0568-0570-0572-0575-0576
0577-0578-0580-0582-0585-0586-0587-0588-0600-0602
0605-0606-0607-0608-0620-0622-0625-0626-0627-0628
0650-0652-0655-0656-0657-0658-0660-0662-0665-0666
0667-0668-0670-0672-0675-0676-0677-0678-0680-0682
0685-0686-0687-0688-0700-0702-0705-0706-0707-0708
0720-0722-0725-0726-0727-0728-0750-0752-0755-0756
0757-0758-0760-0762-0765-0766-0767-0768-0770-0772
0775-0776-0777-0778-0780-0782-0785-0786-0787-0788
0800-0802-0805-0806-0807-0808-0820-0822-0825-0826
0827-0828-0850-0852-0855-0856-0857-0858-0860-0862
0865-0866-0867-0868-0870-0872-0875-0876-0877-0878
0880-0882-0885-0886-0887-0888-2000-2002-2005-2006
2007-2008-2020-2022-2025-2026-2027-2028-2050-2052
2055-2056-2057-2058-2060-2062-2065-2066-2067-2068
2070-2072-2075-2076-2077-2078-2080-2082-2085-2086
2087-2088-2200-2202-2205-2206-2207-2208-2220-2222
2225-2226-2227-2228-2250-2252-2255-2256-2257-2258
2260-2262-2265-2266-2267-2268-2270-2272-2275-2276
2277-2278-2280-2282-2285-2286-2287-2288-2500-2502
2505-2506-2507-2508-2520-2522-2525-2526-2527-2528
2550-2552-2555-2556-2557-2558-2560-2562-2565-2566
2567-2568-2570-2572-2575-2576-2577-2578-2580-2582
2585-2586-2587-2588-2600-2602-2605-2606-2607-2608
2620-2622-2625-2626-2627-2628-2650-2652-2655-2656
2657-2658-2660-2662-2665-2666-2667-2668-2670-2672
2675-2676-2677-2678-2680-2682-2685-2686-2687-2688
2700-2702-2705-2706-2707-2708-2720-2722-2725-2726
2727-2728-2750-2752-2755-2756-2757-2758-2760-2762
2765-2766-2767-2768-2770-2772-2775-2776-2777-2778
2780-2782-2785-2786-2787-2788-2800-2802-2805-2806
2807-2808-2820-2822-2825-2826-2827-2828-2850-2852
2855-2856-2857-2858-2860-2862-2865-2866-2867-2868
2870-2872-2875-2876-2877-2878-2880-2882-2885-2886
2887-2888-5000-5002-5005-5006-5007-5008-5020-5022
5025-5026-5027-5028-5050-5052-5055-5056-5057-5058
5060-5062-5065-5066-5067-5068-5070-5072-5075-5076
5077-5078-5080-5082-5085-5086-5087-5088-5200-5202
5205-5206-5207-5208-5220-5222-5225-5226-5227-5228
5250-5252-5255-5256-5257-5258-5260-5262-5265-5266
5267-5268-5270-5272-5275-5276-5277-5278-5280-5282
5285-5286-5287-5288-5500-5502-5505-5506-5507-5508
5520-5522-5525-5526-5527-5528-5550-5552-5555-5556
5557-5558-5560-5562-5565-5566-5567-5568-5570-5572
5575-5576-5577-5578-5580-5582-5585-5586-5587-5588
5600-5602-5605-5606-5607-5608-5620-5622-5625-5626
5627-5628-5650-5652-5655-5656-5657-5658-5660-5662
5665-5666-5667-5668-5670-5672-5675-5676-5677-5678
5680-5682-5685-5686-5687-5688-5700-5702-5705-5706
5707-5708-5720-5722-5725-5726-5727-5728-5750-5752
5755-5756-5757-5758-5760-5762-5765-5766-5767-5768
5770-5772-5775-5776-5777-5778-5780-5782-5785-5786
5787-5788-5800-5802-5805-5806-5807-5808-5820-5822
5825-5826-5827-5828-5850-5852-5855-5856-5857-5858
5860-5862-5865-5866-5867-5868-5870-5872-5875-5876
5877-5878-5880-5882-5885-5886-5887-5888-6000-6002
6005-6006-6007-6008-6020-6022-6025-6026-6027-6028
6050-6052-6055-6056-6057-6058-6060-6062-6065-6066
6067-6068-6070-6072-6075-6076-6077-6078-6080-6082
6085-6086-6087-6088-6200-6202-6205-6206-6207-6208
6220-6222-6225-6226-6227-6228-6250-6252-6255-6256
6257-6258-6260-6262-6265-6266-6267-6268-6270-6272
6275-6276-6277-6278-6280-6282-6285-6286-6287-6288
6500-6502-6505-6506-6507-6508-6520-6522-6525-6526
6527-6528-6550-6552-6555-6556-6557-6558-6560-6562
6565-6566-6567-6568-6570-6572-6575-6576-6577-6578
6580-6582-6585-6586-6587-6588-6600-6602-6605-6606
6607-6608-6620-6622-6625-6626-6627-6628-6650-6652
6655-6656-6657-6658-6660-6662-6665-6666-6667-6668
6670-6672-6675-6676-6677-6678-6680-6682-6685-6686
6687-6688-6700-6702-6705-6706-6707-6708-6720-6722
6725-6726-6727-6728-6750-6752-6755-6756-6757-6758
6760-6762-6765-6766-6767-6768-6770-6772-6775-6776
6777-6778-6780-6782-6785-6786-6787-6788-6800-6802
6805-6806-6807-6808-6820-6822-6825-6826-6827-6828
6850-6852-6855-6856-6857-6858-6860-6862-6865-6866
6867-6868-6870-6872-6875-6876-6877-6878-6880-6882
6885-6886-6887-6888-7000-7002-7005-7006-7007-7008
7020-7022-7025-7026-7027-7028-7050-7052-7055-7056
7057-7058-7060-7062-7065-7066-7067-7068-7070-7072
7075-7076-7077-7078-7080-7082-7085-7086-7087-7088
7200-7202-7205-7206-7207-7208-7220-7222-7225-7226
7227-7228-7250-7252-7255-7256-7257-7258-7260-7262
7265-7266-7267-7268-7270-7272-7275-7276-7277-7278
7280-7282-7285-7286-7287-7288-7500-7502-7505-7506
7507-7508-7520-7522-7525-7526-7527-7528-7550-7552
7555-7556-7557-7558-7560-7562-7565-7566-7567-7568
7570-7572-7575-7576-7577-7578-7580-7582-7585-7586
7587-7588-7600-7602-7605-7606-7607-7608-7620-7622
7625-7626-7627-7628-7650-7652-7655-7656-7657-7658
7660-7662-7665-7666-7667-7668-7670-7672-7675-7676
7677-7678-7680-7682-7685-7686-7687-7688-7700-7702
7705-7706-7707-7708-7720-7722-7725-7726-7727-7728
7750-7752-7755-7756-7757-7758-7760-7762-7765-7766
7767-7768-7770-7772-7775-7776-7777-7778-7780-7782
7785-7786-7787-7788-7800-7802-7805-7806-7807-7808
7820-7822-7825-7826-7827-7828-7850-7852-7855-7856
7857-7858-7860-7862-7865-7866-7867-7868-7870-7872
7875-7876-7877-7878-7880-7882-7885-7886-7887-7888
8000-8002-8005-8006-8007-8008-8020-8022-8025-8026
8027-8028-8050-8052-8055-8056-8057-8058-8060-8062
8065-8066-8067-8068-8070-8072-8075-8076-8077-8078
8080-8082-8085-8086-8087-8088-8200-8202-8205-8206
8207-8208-8220-8222-8225-8226-8227-8228-8250-8252
8255-8256-8257-8258-8260-8262-8265-8266-8267-8268
8270-8272-8275-8276-8277-8278-8280-8282-8285-8286
8287-8288-8500-8502-8505-8506-8507-8508-8520-8522
8525-8526-8527-8528-8550-8552-8555-8556-8557-8558
8560-8562-8565-8566-8567-8568-8570-8572-8575-8576
8577-8578-8580-8582-8585-8586-8587-8588-8600-8602
8605-8606-8607-8608-8620-8622-8625-8626-8627-8628
8650-8652-8655-8656-8657-8658-8660-8662-8665-8666
8667-8668-8670-8672-8675-8676-8677-8678-8680-8682
8685-8686-8687-8688-8700-8702-8705-8706-8707-8708
8720-8722-8725-8726-8727-8728-8750-8752-8755-8756
8757-8758-8760-8762-8765-8766-8767-8768-8770-8772
8775-8776-8777-8778-8780-8782-8785-8786-8787-8788
8800-8802-8805-8806-8807-8808-8820-8822-8825-8826
8827-8828-8850-8852-8855-8856-8857-8858-8860-8862
8865-8866-8867-8868-8870-8872-8875-8876-8877-8878
8880-8882-8885-8886-8887-8888

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OK lets see if I can explain this better lets suppose that you want to wheel these numbers.

001234556789

012345567789

022556778888

012235668899

I know that wheeling these will give me a lot of numbers

I just want to know if you need a 12 digit wheel for these

or not and if you do is their such a thing as a 12 digit wheel.

Wheeling 12 digits will give you lots of duplicates:

Ininuga - Lotto Wheels, by Uros Boltin

Numbers: 12 (022556778888)
Pick: 4
Guarantee: 4
Condition: 4
Combinations: 495

After Deflation Results: 67

Tier 32
2578(2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578,2578)

Tier 24
2588(2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588,2588) 2788(2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788,2788) 5788(5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788,5788)

Tier 16
0258(0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258,0258) 0278(0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278,0278) 0578(0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578,0578) 2568(2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568,2568) 2678(2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678,2678) 5678(5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678,5678)

Tier 12
0288(0288,0288,0288,0288,0288,0288,0288,0288,0288,0288,0288) 0588(0588,0588,0588,0588,0588,0588,0588,0588,0588,0588,0588) 0788(0788,0788,0788,0788,0788,0788,0788,0788,0788,0788,0788) 2688(2688,2688,2688,2688,2688,2688,2688,2688,2688,2688,2688) 5688(5688,5688,5688,5688,5688,5688,5688,5688,5688,5688,5688) 6788(6788,6788,6788,6788,6788,6788,6788,6788,6788,6788,6788)

Tier 8
0257(0257,0257,0257,0257,0257,0257,0257) 0268(0268,0268,0268,0268,0268,0268,0268) 0568(0568,0568,0568,0568,0568,0568,0568) 0678(0678,0678,0678,0678,0678,0678,0678) 2258(2258,2258,2258,2258,2258,2258,2258) 2278(2278,2278,2278,2278,2278,2278,2278) 2558(2558,2558,2558,2558,2558,2558,2558) 2567(2567,2567,2567,2567,2567,2567,2567) 2778(2778,2778,2778,2778,2778,2778,2778) 2888(2888,2888,2888,2888,2888,2888,2888) 5578(5578,5578,5578,5578,5578,5578,5578) 5778(5778,5778,5778,5778,5778,5778,5778) 5888(5888,5888,5888,5888,5888,5888,5888) 7888(7888,7888,7888,7888,7888,7888,7888)

Tier 6
0688(0688,0688,0688,0688,0688) 2288(2288,2288,2288,2288,2288) 5588(5588,5588,5588,5588,5588) 7788(7788,7788,7788,7788,7788)

Tier 4
0228(0228,0228,0228) 0256(0256,0256,0256) 0267(0267,0267,0267) 0558(0558,0558,0558) 0567(0567,0567,0567) 0778(0778,0778,0778) 0888(0888,0888,0888) 2257(2257,2257,2257) 2268(2268,2268,2268) 2557(2557,2557,2557) 2577(2577,2577,2577) 5568(5568,5568,5568) 6778(6778,6778,6778) 6888(6888,6888,6888)

Tier 2
0225(0225) 0227(0227) 0255(0255) 0277(0277) 0557(0557) 0577(0577) 2256(2256) 2267(2267) 2556(2556) 2677(2677) 5567(5567) 5677(5677)

Tier 1
0226 0556 0677 2255 2277 5577 8888

Input:
0225 0225 0226 0227 0227 0228 0228 0228 0228 0255 0256 0257 0257 0258 0258 0258 0258 0256 0257 0257 0258 0258 0258 0258 0267 0267 0268 0268 0268 0268 0277 0278 0278 0278 0278 0278 0278 0278 0278 0288 0288 0288 0288 0288 0288 0255 0256 0257 0257 0258 0258 0258 0258 0256 0257 0257 0258 0258 0258 0258 0267 0267 0268 0268 0268 0268 0277 0278 0278 0278 0278 0278 0278 0278 0278 0288 0288 0288 0288 0288 0288 0556 0557 0557 0558 0558 0558 0558 0567 0567 0568 0568 0568 0568 0577 0578 0578 0578 0578 0578 0578 0578 0578 0588 0588 0588 0588 0588 0588 0567 0567 0568 0568 0568 0568 0577 0578 0578 0578 0578 0578 0578 0578 0578 0588 0588 0588 0588 0588 0588 0677 0678 0678 0678 0678 0678 0678 0678 0678 0688 0688 0688 0688 0688 0688 0778 0778 0778 0778 0788 0788 0788 0788 0788 0788 0788 0788 0788 0788 0788 0788 0888 0888 0888 0888 2255 2256 2257 2257 2258 2258 2258 2258 2256 2257 2257 2258 2258 2258 2258 2267 2267 2268 2268 2268 2268 2277 2278 2278 2278 2278 2278 2278 2278 2278 2288 2288 2288 2288 2288 2288 2556 2557 2557 2558 2558 2558 2558 2567 2567 2568 2568 2568 2568 2577 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2588 2588 2588 2588 2588 2588 2567 2567 2568 2568 2568 2568 2577 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2588 2588 2588 2588 2588 2588 2677 2678 2678 2678 2678 2678 2678 2678 2678 2688 2688 2688 2688 2688 2688 2778 2778 2778 2778 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2888 2888 2888 2888 2556 2557 2557 2558 2558 2558 2558 2567 2567 2568 2568 2568 2568 2577 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2588 2588 2588 2588 2588 2588 2567 2567 2568 2568 2568 2568 2577 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2578 2588 2588 2588 2588 2588 2588 2677 2678 2678 2678 2678 2678 2678 2678 2678 2688 2688 2688 2688 2688 2688 2778 2778 2778 2778 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2788 2888 2888 2888 2888 5567 5567 5568 5568 5568 5568 5577 5578 5578 5578 5578 5578 5578 5578 5578 5588 5588 5588 5588 5588 5588 5677 5678 5678 5678 5678 5678 5678 5678 5678 5688 5688 5688 5688 5688 5688 5778 5778 5778 5778 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5888 5888 5888 5888 5677 5678 5678 5678 5678 5678 5678 5678 5678 5688 5688 5688 5688 5688 5688 5778 5778 5778 5778 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5788 5888 5888 5888 5888 6778 6778 6778 6778 6788 6788 6788 6788 6788 6788 6788 6788 6788 6788 6788 6788 6888 6888 6888 6888 7788 7788 7788 7788 7788 7788 7888 7888 7888 7888 7888 7888 7888 7888 8888

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A Wheel Engine can give you lots of Combinations too:

Numbers: 6 (025678)
Combinations: 126

0256, 0257, 0258, 0267, 0268, 0278, 0567, 0568, 0578, 0678, 2567, 2568, 2578, 2678, 5678
0025, 0026, 0027, 0028, 0056, 0057, 0058, 0067, 0068, 0078, 2205, 2206, 2207, 2208, 2256, 2257, 2258, 2267, 2268, 2278, 5502, 5506, 5507, 5508, 5526, 5527, 5528, 5567, 5568, 5578, 6602, 6605, 6607, 6608, 6625, 6627, 6628, 6657, 6658, 6678, 7702, 7705, 7706, 7708, 7725, 7726, 7728, 7756, 7758, 7768, 8802, 8805, 8806, 8807, 8825, 8826, 8827, 8856, 8857, 8867
0002, 0005, 0006, 0007, 0008, 2220, 2225, 2226, 2227, 2228, 5550, 5552, 5556, 5557, 5558, 6660, 6662, 6665, 6667, 6668, 7770, 7772, 7775, 7776, 7778, 8880, 8882, 8885, 8886, 8887
0022, 0055, 0066, 0077, 0088, 2255, 2266, 2277, 2288, 5566, 5577, 5588, 6677, 6688, 7788
0000, 2222, 5555, 6666, 7777, 8888

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