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The Idaho lottery has had a VIP club for some years, which consisted of them sending you a coupon for a free $1 scratch-off on your birthday.

Now they've expanded it to a Rewards Program whereby they scan your card each time you play a lottery game that is machine-generated (scratch-offs are not included) and you get 1 point for each dollar you spend. 

The minimum points you need to claim a reward is 500, which will take me over 2 years to accumulate at my current rate of purchase.

What do y'all think about exchanging your personal info, including how much you spend on lottery tickets, for a $10 or $20 prize for every $500 you spend?  What are the potential risks?  Would you have serious concerns about participating in something like this?


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    I don't think anyone should worry about the scanning of your credit card, because then we would have to constantly worry about it when purchasing anything. I think using common sense as to where you use it will suffice. I'm thinking that the Idaho lottery can be trusted as much as the local food mart.

    Even if they introduced something similar here in Florida, it wouldn't work unless the officials changed the rules of purchase. Here in Florida, you can't purchase tix with a credit card. Not even with a debit card which takes cash out of your account immediately. Go figure...! I can understand the credit part, but not the debit part. Either it gets approved on the spot, or not, because of lack of funds.

     Cash only.

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      I don't think anyone should worry about the scanning of your credit card, because then we would have to constantly worry about it when purchasing anything. I think using common sense as to where you use it will suffice. I'm thinking that the Idaho lottery can be trusted as much as the local food mart.

      Even if they introduced something similar here in Florida, it wouldn't work unless the officials changed the rules of purchase. Here in Florida, you can't purchase tix with a credit card. Not even with a debit card which takes cash out of your account immediately. Go figure...! I can understand the credit part, but not the debit part. Either it gets approved on the spot, or not, because of lack of funds.

       Cash only.

      Pac......I think she means....scan the VIP card.

      litebets

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        Posted: July 2, 2007, 5:57 pm - IP Logged

        I didn't make that clear, it's not a credit card they scan, but a Rewards Card issued by the Idaho lottery.    You can't buy lottery with credit cards here, either, tho you can use a debit card.

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          Posted: July 2, 2007, 6:02 pm - IP Logged

          Anything back for some of us is a good deal. I've read comments from some people who said that they had'nt had a win in so many months or years. I'm sure that a rebate coming their way would be appreciated.

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            Posted: July 2, 2007, 6:05 pm - IP Logged

            AHHHHHHH!!!

            I get it now.....I scanned your post the wrong way....lol

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              Posted: July 2, 2007, 6:07 pm - IP Logged

              That sounds like a neat idea.  I wouldn't have a problem with doing that.


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                Posted: July 2, 2007, 6:14 pm - IP Logged

                Anything back for some of us is a good deal. I've read comments from some people who said that they had'nt had a win in so many months or years. I'm sure that a rebate coming their way would be appreciated.

                litebets

                Right on the money!

                Maybe more states should follow suit. I don't think it'll happen. They have no clue about what it means to throw a bone to the masses. The word reciprocity means nothing in their realm. It's all about the bottom line.

                If they only knew how much more they could bring in by sharing just a very small fraction.

                If you look at any business, you'll see that most have offers to attract business. It's not good enough to just advertise.

                I'm not surprised they act this way. If you would have heard of the many goof-ups that run the local airport here, you'd see that most of the time, people  try to sell beef in a shoe store. No clue on how to run a better business. As greedy as they are, I'm awed as to how they overlooked something like this....lol

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                  I was wondering about other implications.  I just got my card today, so haven't really thought about it, tho I did use it to buy my Powerball ticket for this Wed. drawing.  And while I was standing there waiting for the clerk to figure out how to use it (I was her first, she actually had to call the Lottery offices to help her) I got this uneasy feeling that maybe I shouldn't be using it without thinking of all the implications.

                  What if the info could be used in some other way, other than to give you your earned rewards?  What if the IRS could use the info in some way?  What if you bought the winning $200 mil ticket, and because they scanned your card they knew who bought it before you even claimed it?  What if ... ?

                  Can anyone conceive of any real risks either with privacy concerns, or with someone doing something with the info other than getting your rewards credited?

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                    I was wondering about other implications.  I just got my card today, so haven't really thought about it, tho I did use it to buy my Powerball ticket for this Wed. drawing.  And while I was standing there waiting for the clerk to figure out how to use it (I was her first, she actually had to call the Lottery offices to help her) I got this uneasy feeling that maybe I shouldn't be using it without thinking of all the implications.

                    What if the info could be used in some other way, other than to give you your earned rewards?  What if the IRS could use the info in some way?  What if you bought the winning $200 mil ticket, and because they scanned your card they knew who bought it before you even claimed it?  What if ... ?

                    Can anyone conceive of any real risks either with privacy concerns, or with someone doing something with the info other than getting your rewards credited?

                    it sounds like the type of thing they have with casinos and i thought it would mean that they would send me alot of junk mail but it hasnt happened that way so i dont think i would have a big problem if tennessee started to do that because any bonus or extra would be nice...Banana

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                      Another thing I just noticed, it has your name on both the card and the points receipt the machine prints.  There are some clerks who seem so creepy I wouldn't give my name to them for anything.  It's so easy to find out where someone lives now, ya just have to plug it into a search engine and voila! 

                      Okay, no need to be polite.  Just call me paranoid.  I KNOW that's what you're thinking. Shocked  lol

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                        Another thing I just noticed, it has your name on both the card and the points receipt the machine prints.  There are some clerks who seem so creepy I wouldn't give my name to them for anything.  It's so easy to find out where someone lives now, ya just have to plug it into a search engine and voila! 

                        Okay, no need to be polite.  Just call me paranoid.  I KNOW that's what you're thinking. Shocked  lol

                        Good Point! Can you use an alias or perhaps a "user" name on the card instead of having to use your real name? The card may have more appeal, then.

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                          The Idaho lottery has had a VIP club for some years, which consisted of them sending you a coupon for a free $1 scratch-off on your birthday.

                          Now they've expanded it to a Rewards Program whereby they scan your card each time you play a lottery game that is machine-generated (scratch-offs are not included) and you get 1 point for each dollar you spend. 

                          The minimum points you need to claim a reward is 500, which will take me over 2 years to accumulate at my current rate of purchase.

                          What do y'all think about exchanging your personal info, including how much you spend on lottery tickets, for a $10 or $20 prize for every $500 you spend?  What are the potential risks?  Would you have serious concerns about participating in something like this?

                          I personally don't mind Customer Loyalty Programs/VIP programs from a few places that I buy from. But I don't trust ANY State Government that shares information with the IRS. Look you said it yourself that you get 1 point for every dollar spent. Now turn that around and think about it, yes you got it, you can bet your bottom dollar that if you win any size amount and they scan that VIP card it's logged who received what and how much. As you said you have to earn 500 points before you get anything of any value. As the IRS has it, anything of value is to be reported and yes that means even bartering with your neighbor. If the neighbor does some work of any kind for you in exchange for something you could sell for cash you are to report it to the IRS. Besides the IRS you have now gave your State the means to track your gambling habits and the means to see if what you say about your wins/losses when filing your State incomes taxes coincide with one another! Now, you take what I have just told you and think real hard about using that so called VIP card from your State Lottery!

                          Keep dreaming the impossible dream, it just may come true! Thumbs Up

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                            I personally don't mind Customer Loyalty Programs/VIP programs from a few places that I buy from. But I don't trust ANY State Government that shares information with the IRS. Look you said it yourself that you get 1 point for every dollar spent. Now turn that around and think about it, yes you got it, you can bet your bottom dollar that if you win any size amount and they scan that VIP card it's logged who received what and how much. As you said you have to earn 500 points before you get anything of any value. As the IRS has it, anything of value is to be reported and yes that means even bartering with your neighbor. If the neighbor does some work of any kind for you in exchange for something you could sell for cash you are to report it to the IRS. Besides the IRS you have now gave your State the means to track your gambling habits and the means to see if what you say about your wins/losses when filing your State incomes taxes coincide with one another! Now, you take what I have just told you and think real hard about using that so called VIP card from your State Lottery!

                            Last night I was thinking about the players who buy separate Pick 3 or Pick 4 tickets with the same number so if the number wins, they can collect the $500 separately from each ticket and not have to fill out tax forms.

                            This VIP card would be the perfect way for the govt to see that a player won enough to declare and pay taxes on.  Do you suppose this is how they're planning on paying for these rewards?  By collecting taxes they've previously been unable to collect?

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                              Last night I was thinking about the players who buy separate Pick 3 or Pick 4 tickets with the same number so if the number wins, they can collect the $500 separately from each ticket and not have to fill out tax forms.

                              This VIP card would be the perfect way for the govt to see that a player won enough to declare and pay taxes on.  Do you suppose this is how they're planning on paying for these rewards?  By collecting taxes they've previously been unable to collect?

                              Not so sure it's about catching people who play Pick 3 in various locations. I think it's more to do with marketing. 

                              What's probably going to happen is people with the"frequent player's cards" will get promos in the mail and via e-mail to get them to play more and more and more.

                              "Buy 10 lotto tickets, get one free." Free is the strongest word in advertising, so this will be an attempt, and an often successful one, to turn a $1 player into a $10 player.  (Haven't the raffles done this? But from $1 to $20?)

                              When I worked in the casinos I tried to get them to do something about the gone players, the real degenerates, but nothing doing- they got MORE tournament invitations, slot promo invitations, everything.

                              My point was you don't "offer a drink to an alcoholic", but for the percentage of lottery players with a problem that's exactly what this will be doing.

                              When they started this in Vegas and started giving "premiums" for different "levels of play" (how much money people had blown) two schools of thought surfaced.

                              One group of people were telling the players they could have bought a TV instead of spending $1500 to get one from the casino as a "premium" for being in the club and getting enough points (losing enough $$$) to get one.

                              On the other hand, those players were saying, "I'm going to play that much anyway, why shouldn't I get something for it?"

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.