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Posted: July 31, 2007, 10:56 am - IP Logged

Don't be silly.  The new drawings are 'exciting'. Roll Eyes

I'm surprised any state televises a computerized drawing. What is there to see? (they don't show those here, so I've never seen one)  Plus, by not televising, they save six-figure expenses per year.  And its not like anyone who wants to play can go elsewhere.....much like Cable TV and the Electric company here.  Monopolies.  And monopolies are not good, IMO.

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    Posted: July 31, 2007, 12:15 pm - IP Logged

    Interesting.  So Tennessee's first computerized drawing produced something that happens only 1% of the time in a typical lottery game.  Hmm...

    Someone mentioned how they think some senator's son will win right away.  I tend to think the opposite.  I think they'll hold off on winners more so the JP will grow larger.  Is this one of the ways they'll do it?

    Actually the same happened with the 20's eleven times too.  **Plus one time all the numbers were in the 20's

     05/27/07  -  19 20 21 23 27
     11/21/06  -  06 20 21 28 29
     09/13/06  -  03 20 23 25 29
     09/04/06  -  20 24 25 29 33
     08/03/06  -  14 21 25 27 28
     07/22/06  -  02 20 23 28 29
     10/28/05  -  23 25 27 29 39
     10/15/05  -  09 20 22 28 29
     06/17/05  -  07 22 24 26 29
     06/16/05  - 14 22 24 26 28
     01/08/05  -  02 20 24 26 28
     10/13/04  -  20 21 24 26 28 **

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      Posted: July 31, 2007, 12:24 pm - IP Logged

      I just saw the first lotto 5 drawing computerized...  OMG I'm going to the bathroom to throw up.  Guys don't watch if you didn't tonight.  It will break your heart.  (FYI I didn't buy a ticket for the first time since April)

        And so it begins ...

        The next step in the process is to eliminate televised drawings. This should take place within the next six months; they'll say no one is watching anymore, and that it's more cost-effective to air a pre-recorded videotape of the animated graphics program pretending to draw balls.

        Next, since Tennessee already has mandated liability limits in place (Indiana is the ONLY lottery state WITHOUT mandated liability limits), look for your legislature to lower the maximum allowable payouts on your daily games. It's likely they'll also lower the lotto payout percentage (as pointed out by Uncle Jim, the Hoosier Lottery only pays 40% of the advertised jackpot and, on top of that, they have the grapes to withhold state taxes (another 3.4%) as well). 

        When they announce that the drawings are closed to the public, write to your State Attorney General and complain. Then, all you have to do is wait for him to write back, telling you there's nothing he can do. Now it's time to make an appointment with your state representatives. After they thank you for bringing this terrible corruption to their attention, they'll give you their solemn promises that they'll do everything in their power to bring about sweeping lottery reform legislation.  Of course, what they'll actually do is NOTHING, so when they begin refusing your phone calls and ignoring your emails, you'll know you're making progress. 

        This will mark the beginning of your own four-year investigation. The only tasks left unfinished are  collecting reams of verifiable facts and data to support your allegations, and to see your doctor for ulcer medication and sleeping pills (after the first year or two, knowing what you know and being unable to DO anything about it will keep you up at night). 

         If more of our members would take this a little more seriously, we'd have enough signatures to force congress to consider national lottery legislation. That won't happen until ALL state lotteries are computerized, because those who live in states that still draw their games mechanically simply can't imagine what all the fuss is about. Unless and until those people are forced to accept computerized drawings and their inherent corruption in their own state lotteries, they will continue to bury their heads in the sand.   

      Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

      Jim

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        Posted: July 31, 2007, 12:49 pm - IP Logged
        THREE TICKETS HIT LOTTO 5 JACKPOT! Antioch, Franklin, Knoxville players split top prize
        Tuesday, July 31, 2007

         
         

        NASHVILLE - Three players matched all five Lotto 5 numbers correctly in Monday night’s drawing, which means each winner will share the $148,122 jackpot equally. The tickets were purchased in Antioch, Franklin and Knoxville. No additional information is available about the winners until they claim their prize.

        "this was on the website, i guess they are proud of 3 people having to split a smaller pot on the first RNG drawing for lotto 5."

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          Posted: July 31, 2007, 2:32 pm - IP Logged

          Three winners...  Considering this has only happened once since lotto 5 started it brings up ???.  Anyway, on my way to GA for a multidraw fantasy 5 ticket.

          How are you going to win if you don't play?

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            Posted: July 31, 2007, 2:35 pm - IP Logged

            Jim,

            You forgot one key piece of the puzzle.  Look for a disproportionate number of winners to come from one key geographic area...most probably the state capital. 

            Jim 


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              Posted: July 31, 2007, 2:35 pm - IP Logged

              Three winners...  Considering this has only happened once since lotto 5 started it brings up ???.  Anyway, on my way to GA for a multidraw fantasy 5 ticket.

              good luck on fantasy 5 and make sure you play megamillions too while you are there

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                Posted: July 31, 2007, 2:56 pm - IP Logged

                Jim,

                You forgot one key piece of the puzzle.  Look for a disproportionate number of winners to come from one key geographic area...most probably the state capital. 

                Jim 

                Years ago the Ohio Lottery held a 2nd chance drawings, people thought it was a scam too but most of the winners worked for the Cleveland central post office.  The lottery folks in Cleveland where the drawings were held assumed the mail bags got mixed real good in shipment and took most of the winning envelopes off the top of each bag.  The postal workers made sure thier entries was on top in each bag and won a disproportionate of the prizes.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Posted: July 31, 2007, 3:00 pm - IP Logged

                  Good lord, that's awful. That's bad even among other computerized drawings.

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                    Posted: July 31, 2007, 3:36 pm - IP Logged

                    Here's a table of the probability that a number will occur in a given column. Highlighted are the 2 most recent draw for TN's 5 of 39, 2007-07-27 FRI and 2007-07-30 MON.

                     

                    Percent Probability a Number will be in a Given Column for a Single Draw
                    5 of 39Column
                    Number12345
                    112.82051%0.00000%0.00000%0.00000%0.00000%
                    211.47099%1.34953%0.00000%0.00000%0.00000%
                    310.23088%2.48021%0.10942%0.00000%0.00000%
                    49.09411%3.41029%0.31003%0.00608%0.00000%
                    58.05479%4.15731%0.58462%0.02362%0.00017%
                    67.10717%4.73811%0.91705%0.05732%0.00087%
                    76.24569%5.16885%1.29221%0.11116%0.00261%
                    85.46498%5.46498%1.69603%0.18845%0.00608%
                    94.75982%5.64127%2.11548%0.29179%0.01216%
                    104.12518%5.71178%2.53857%0.42310%0.02188%
                    113.55619%5.68990%2.95437%0.58358%0.03647%
                    123.04816%5.58830%3.35298%0.77376%0.05732%
                    132.59658%5.41895%3.72553%0.99347%0.08597%
                    142.19711%5.19316%4.06421%1.24184%0.12418%
                    151.84557%4.92152%4.36226%1.51731%0.17386%
                    161.53798%4.61393%4.61393%1.81761%0.23708%
                    171.27050%4.27958%4.81453%2.13979%0.31611%
                    181.03950%3.92700%4.96043%2.48021%0.41337%
                    190.84150%3.56400%5.04901%2.83453%0.53147%
                    200.67320%3.19770%5.07871%3.19770%0.67320%
                    210.53147%2.83453%5.04901%3.56400%0.84150%
                    220.41337%2.48021%4.96043%3.92700%1.03950%
                    230.31611%2.13979%4.81453%4.27958%1.27050%
                    240.23708%1.81761%4.61393%4.61393%1.53798%
                    250.17386%1.51731%4.36226%4.92152%1.84557%
                    260.12418%1.24184%4.06421%5.19316%2.19711%
                    270.08597%0.99347%3.72553%5.41895%2.59658%
                    280.05732%0.77376%3.35298%5.58830%3.04816%
                    290.03647%0.58358%2.95437%5.68990%3.55619%
                    300.02188%0.42310%2.53857%5.71178%4.12518%
                    310.01216%0.29179%2.11548%5.64127%4.75982%
                    320.00608%0.18845%1.69603%5.46498%5.46498%
                    330.00261%0.11116%1.29221%5.16885%6.24569%
                    340.00087%0.05732%0.91705%4.73811%7.10717%
                    350.00017%0.02362%0.58462%4.15731%8.05479%
                    360.00000%0.00608%0.31003%3.41029%9.09411%
                    370.00000%0.00000%0.10942%2.48021%10.23088%
                    380.00000%0.00000%0.00000%1.34953%11.47099%
                    390.00000%0.00000%0.00000%0.00000%12.82051%

                     

                    Column
                    Date12345
                    2007-07-279.09411%5.71178%4.06421%2.48021%1.53798%
                    2007-07-301.27050%0.18845%0.31003%2.48021%11.47099%

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                      Posted: July 31, 2007, 4:11 pm - IP Logged

                      Well RJ...that's not a "fix" per se.  Frankly, that strikes me as incompetance on the part of the Ohio Lottery.  What I'm talking about is a situation similar to the one we have here in Indiana where a hugely disproportionate number of winners come from Indianapolis/Marion County (the state capital and the home of the Hoosier Lottery).

                      Now the Hoosier Lottery will tell you this is because Indianapolis/Marion County is the most populous region in the state.  To a certain extent this makes some sense to me.  But if you combine and then compare 3 or 4 other regions in the state with similar populations to Indianapolis/Marion County and a much greater geographic area you'll see that explanation doesn't hold up.

                      <>Go the the Hoosier Lottery website and look for yourself.  You will see that in the 17 plus year history of the Hoosier Lottery Indianapolis/Marion County has had 33 winners...(if I remember correctly)...an average of almost 2 winners per year.  (Remember in it's original incarnation the Hoosier Lottery's Lotto game was called Lotto Cash.)  Even if you combine 3 or 4 counties around the state with a similar or even greater total population you don't come anywhere near that total number.

                      Also look at the scratch off winners.  You will see instances where 4 or 5 top tier prizes in one game were won in Indianapolis/Marion County while perhaps 1 or even no top tier prizes were won in the rest of the state for the same game.

                      The scratch off's are of course irrelevant to the RNG topic.  But the players in Tennessee would be well advised to pay close attention to where the winners of the RNG games come form.

                      Jim   


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                        Posted: July 31, 2007, 4:23 pm - IP Logged

                        "But the players in Tennessee would be well advised to pay close attention to where the winners of the RNG games come form."

                        I know exactly what you mean. I've been watching here in WI as well since we went to CGN (a.k.a. RNG). Very Interesting!!

                        Also, analyze your QP's from different locations, too. I think you'll find that as interesting as well.

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                          Posted: July 31, 2007, 5:16 pm - IP Logged

                          I just saw the first lotto 5 drawing computerized...  OMG I'm going to the bathroom to throw up.  Guys don't watch if you didn't tonight.  It will break your heart.  (FYI I didn't buy a ticket for the first time since April)

                          Tnplayer805,

                              You need to tell all your friends, and have them spread the word not to but any tickets . Have them tell their friends and so on until the lottery commission there opens their eye's.  What a shame...!!!!!! 

                                                                       

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                            Posted: July 31, 2007, 5:43 pm - IP Logged

                            JADELOttery wrote "

                            Here's a table of the probability that a number will occur in a given column. Highlighted are the 2 most recent draw for TN's 5 of 39, 2007-07-27 FRI and 2007-07-30 MON."

                            Another interesting math table. I do find myself drawn to them. However, I also fiind that while they are logical, they are only somewhat helpful.  Like in our 6/39 Supercash game, the "39" will, naturally, only be able to appear in the sixth column.  But since the numbers themselves are supposed to be randomly generated, one doesn't know what numbers will be produced. If one knew even three of the numbers for certain, the table would increase in value a great deal.  But the problem is, one doesn't know.  It is all a "best guess".  If the numbers all appeared in the columns that probability shows to be the highest probability column, players would be winning all the time.

                            A number that has skipped for 50 draws should be probable to hit.  But it also could skip another 30 draws or more.  Not unprecidented. An therein lies the rub.

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                              Posted: July 31, 2007, 6:10 pm - IP Logged

                              Someone asked for this in a PM. So, I'll post it here too.

                              Percent Probability Chart

                              It's totally tweakable for your needs.

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