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Matrix change: Powerball to get much harder to win?

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Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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Posted: November 30, 2007, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

So apparently the SC Lottery had a meeting and there was a discussion about Powerball getting a matrix change. Posted on Wikipedia:

Another matrix change?

The South Carolina website mentions that a potential Powerball format change was discussed at a state lottery meeting[4] on October 4, 2007. Among the items mentioned was "guaranteeing" than any game matching the first five numbers where the PowerPlay option is exercised would win the player (at least) $1 million.

With the current game, any ticket that matches the first five numbers with the PowerPlay option will win the player at least $400,000(with the number 2 multiplier), but if we are going from a $400,000 mininum to $1,000,000 minimum for matching 5+0 and PowerPlay, then this more than likely means that the game will be MUCH harder to win. In fact, I think it will be harder to win than Mega Millions. Of course, this probably means the minimum jackpot will go up as well. So what are your thoughts about this possible matrix change? 

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    Posted: November 30, 2007, 10:46 pm - IP Logged

    i feel like powerball and megamillions are hard enough to win already so i wouldnt want a matrix change. it looks good to have larger prizes for matching 5+0 but even hitting that is hard right now so i wouldnt want it to get harder. most people will keep playing even if they change the matrix.

      Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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      Posted: November 30, 2007, 11:31 pm - IP Logged

      i feel like powerball and megamillions are hard enough to win already so i wouldnt want a matrix change. it looks good to have larger prizes for matching 5+0 but even hitting that is hard right now so i wouldnt want it to get harder. most people will keep playing even if they change the matrix.

      I don't really want it to change either. I would be happy to win even the minimum jackpot. I think it's hard enough. Of course one must ask themselves if there will also be the same multiplier numbers. Who knows, the prizes for  5+0 matches could go from:

      $200,000(No PowerPlay)
      $400,000(PowerPlay + Multiplier 2)
      $600,000(PowerPlay + Multiplier 3)
      $800,000(PowerPlay + Multiplier 4)
      $1,000,000(PowerPlay + Multiplier 5)

      TO

      $500,000(No PowerPlay)
      $1,000,000(PowerPlay + Multiplier 2)
      $1,500,000(PowerPlay + Multiplier 3)
      $2,000,000(PowerPlay + Multiplier 4)
      $2,500,000(PowerPlay + Multiplier 5)

      Of course, they might end up getting rid of the number 5 multiplier and only draw from 2, 3, and 4, so the $2,500,000 prize might not be available.

      Gonna win.Big Smile

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        Posted: December 1, 2007, 2:48 am - IP Logged

        'Harder to win'.

        Put that into the proper context.

        Right now, to win the Jackpot is 1 in 146 million.

        To me, when you get over 1 in about 50,000, the odds mean NOTHING.

        I mean, being honest: what in the heck is the difference between 1 in a million, 1 in 50 million, 1 in 100 million, and 1 in 146 million ?  Unless you are a lucky sperm, the odds just don't matter to me much, you are either going to get lucky, or not.    Period. \

        To me, they could add a couple more balls, and it still wouldn't change much, really. 

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          Posted: December 1, 2007, 12:29 pm - IP Logged

          I guess I'm the only one that wants the matrix change LeavingGroup Hug

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            Posted: December 1, 2007, 1:47 pm - IP Logged

            A friend of ours just couldn't wait for California to join Mega Millions, as the newspapers were running stories of possible $500,000,000 jackpots.

            Well, no one has seen anything even close to that yet and all that happned were already impossible odds where made more impossible.

            guru101

            The Illinois Little Lotto went form 5 / 30 to 5 /39.  Those nine numbes took the odds from 142,506 to one to 575,757 to one. 

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Posted: December 1, 2007, 3:55 pm - IP Logged

              I'm glad it's PowerBall that's considering a matrix change instead of MegaMillions since MM is played in my state.  I think there could be a point where winning a prize with the multi-state lotteries become so hard that players will no longer be attracted from local games.  If however its odds of winning a million dollars are similar to those of the local games when their jackpots are a million dollars then it will continue to attract those players. 

              Since most local games starting with million dollar jackpots are 6/48-50 game with odds of 1:12M-15M, PB would have to change the amounts of both ball groups to be competitive and some of its lower tier prizes might have to pay more.

              If PB is successful with a matrix change then MM would have to make some changes too which might include all the states adding a multiplier and paying more for matching only the bonus numbers.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: December 1, 2007, 6:12 pm - IP Logged

                For me MM and PB matrices are already so high both games are No Longer Fun To Play and haven't been for a very long time. 

                Adding more balls removes my intent spend money playing either of them, period!!!!!!!!!

                Good luck to everyone!

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                  Posted: December 1, 2007, 6:19 pm - IP Logged

                  The odds are already so high that I just don't see the point of changing the matrix. If they do it will be even harder to win any prizes, let alone the jackpot. I'm lucky to even hit the Powerbll itself and get a few bucks back every now and then. No Nod Knowing me though, I will probably still continue to buy a couple tickets each drawing.

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                    Posted: December 1, 2007, 7:31 pm - IP Logged

                    Ohio Classic Lotto  6/49
                      6/6     1 : 13983816
                      5/6     1 : 54201
                      4/6     1 : 1032
                      3/6     1 : 57
                     overall odds are 1 : 53.6


                    MegaMillions 5/56 + 1/46
                      5/5+B    1 : 175711536
                      5/5        1 : 3904701
                      4/5+B    1 : 689065
                      4/5        1 : 15313
                      3/5+B    1 : 13781
                      3/5        1 : 306
                      2/5+B    1 : 844
                      1/5+B    1 : 141
                      0/5+B    1 : 75
                     overall odds are 1 : 39.8

                    I spend about the same amounts on both games and I've won more playing MM.  The odds are worst but the over all chances of winning something are better.  I even got a 4/5+0 for $150 from MM and the best I've done so far with CL are several match3 for $2 each time.  For me CL with its smaller matrix and smaller prizes is as hard as MM to win anything although some years ago I won $1500 with a 5/6 in Super Lotto a similar game.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      konane's avatar - wallace
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                      Posted: December 1, 2007, 7:50 pm - IP Logged

                      Why don't both MM and PB just change their matrix to 8 white balls out of 1-100, plus 1 bonus and 1 super bonus red/gold out of 1-80????

                      That would effectively drive odds through the stratosphere having the highest jackpots on the face of the earth then anyone who can't count or calculate odds can be happy.

                      Best solution to driving lottery jackpots higher, more money in coffers, is to remove all income tax liabilities from lottery winnings.   

                      Good luck to everyone!

                        Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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                        Posted: December 2, 2007, 8:56 am - IP Logged

                        I went ahead and calculated what the matrix would be if they change it to one of the matrixes below:

                        Pick 5/56 + 1/42: 1 in 160,432,272
                        Pick 5/56 + 1/43: 1 in 164,252,088
                        Pick 5/56 + 1/44: 1 in 168,071,904
                        Pick 5/56 + 1/45: 1 in 171,891,720
                        Pick 5/56 + 1/46: 1 in 175,711,536

                        Pick 5/57 + 1/42: 1 in 175,858,452
                        Pick 5/57 + 1/43: 1 in 180,045,558
                        Pick 5/57 + 1/44: 1 in 184,232,664
                        Pick 5/57 + 1/45: 1 in 188,419,770
                        Pick 5/57 + 1/46: 1 in 192,606,876

                        Pick 5/58 + 1/42: 1 in 192,448,872
                        Pick 5/58 + 1/43: 1 in 197,030,988
                        Pick 5/58 + 1/44: 1 in 201,613,104
                        Pick 5/58 + 1/45: 1 in 206,195,220
                        Pick 5/58 + 1/46: 1 in 210,777,336

                        Now, some people may be reluctant to say that it would be harder than 1 in 200 million, but there's still a slight possibility that it could be that hard considering the information that we currently have.

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                          Posted: December 2, 2007, 10:40 am - IP Logged

                          Instead of Powerball changing its matrix to make it harder to win, they should just charge $2 for a ticket (and $2 extra for PowerPlay).  That makes sense, to keep up with inflation.

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                            Posted: December 2, 2007, 1:47 pm - IP Logged

                            no one matched 5+0 saturday night so i really hope they dont change the matrix.

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                              Posted: December 4, 2007, 10:20 am - IP Logged

                              I Agree!     what the difference if they do change it.....for that matter, the odds of winning the $1000 top prize on the $1 jumbo bucks is 1 in 50,000 and that seems as hard as winning the powerball. Its not like it won't ever get hit.....somebody's gonna hit it regardless of what the odds are.

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