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Do you think it wiser not to repeat the same sum within a month...

No [ 3 ]  [15.79%]
Yes [ 6 ]  [31.58%]
never thought about will consider it [ 5 ]  [26.32%]
quick picks is how I play.. [ 5 ]  [26.32%]
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Posted: December 15, 2007, 12:47 pm - IP Logged

Looking at the past month's of sums for pb white balls only,  looks like a sum doesn't repeat within a month..  Would you think that filter would be one that would help you play smarter

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     DATE             NUMBERS                SUMS
    11/29/06  02 08 09 12 19    +25      50
    01/11/06  03 06 14 17 18    +14      58
    04/22/06  04 05 06 18 27    +24      60
    10/03/07  02 04 14 15 28    +23      63
    04/18/07  06 10 12 13 24    +19      65
    03/08/06  01 05 07 21 43    +20      77
    11/24/07  01 07 13 23 35    +19      79
    12/20/06  01 06 14 26 34    +34      81
    08/02/06  10 13 16 19 24    +15      82
    07/04/07  01 02 15 17 49    +35      84
    11/21/07  03 11 13 20 40    +20      87
    10/07/06  03 04 08 31 45    +12      91
    03/03/07  01 05 16 22 48    +06      92
    12/08/07  04 08 25 26 31    +41      94
    10/15/05  01 07 08 34 45    +15      95
    01/13/07  01 21 23 25 26    +04      96
    08/25/07  02 08 23 29 35    +19      97
    02/04/06  04 12 13 30 38    +30      97
    11/23/05  09 12 24 25 27    +33      97
    02/21/07  02 08 22 29 37    +03      98
    08/11/07  01 10 11 37 40    +20      99
    03/31/07  02 05 16 36 40    +36      99
    10/14/06  01 15 17 26 40    +19      99
    07/26/06  05 10 17 24 43    +31      99
    06/03/06  05 06 18 20 50    +35      99
    05/10/06  03 04 11 37 44    +24      99
    11/02/05  06 11 14 27 41    +38      99
    12/05/07  01 08 15 21 55    +41     100
    06/27/07  09 11 13 24 43    +18     100
    10/11/06  05 10 12 35 38    +09     100
    06/07/06  04 10 20 26 40    +08     100
    01/20/07  01 05 26 32 38    +30     102
    12/21/05  09 12 16 23 43    +37     103
    04/05/06  03 09 24 29 39    +42     104
    05/16/07  06 07 16 34 42    +23     105
    10/31/07  06 16 18 29 37    +24     106
    11/18/06  01 08 19 36 42    +20     106
    11/10/07  06 22 24 26 30    +12     108
    07/18/07  03 09 14 40 42    +03     108
    11/16/05  05 18 20 21 44    +27     108
    09/03/05  01 03 30 31 43    +36     108
    04/25/07  12 13 14 17 53    +11     109
    05/03/06  04 06 19 38 42    +37     109
    11/08/06  08 11 12 26 53    +04     110
    09/16/06  07 08 26 27 42    +12     110
    09/09/06  03 19 20 22 47    +02     111
    08/04/07  02 23 24 27 36    +03     112
    05/23/07  03 11 24 36 38    +06     112
    03/07/07  13 16 18 19 46    +36     112
    02/10/07  02 11 16 41 42    +16     112
    09/02/06  03 08 24 28 49    +25     112
    08/05/06  02 03 09 48 50    +23     112
    11/09/05  05 13 14 31 49    +30     112
    05/19/07  03 19 21 26 45    +02     114
    01/27/07  10 19 26 27 32    +14     114
    01/07/06  02 16 21 32 43    +06     114
    06/09/07  07 10 25 32 41    +22     115
    09/20/06  07 08 17 29 54    +26     115
    05/24/06  02 03 12 47 51    +10     115
    10/04/06  03 07 27 39 40    +08     116
    05/17/06  15 17 24 26 35    +38     117
    10/05/05  02 15 25 30 45    +17     117
    01/28/06  14 15 26 28 36    +36     119
    02/03/07  12 13 20 33 42    +37     120
    06/06/07  05 09 14 45 48    +28     121
    06/14/06  04 14 15 40 48    +12     121
    07/14/07  01 21 30 34 36    +37     122
    09/30/06  06 15 30 32 39    +05     122
    06/28/06  02 08 16 45 51    +32     122
    03/29/06  02 14 24 28 54    +13     122
    12/03/05  02 15 26 37 42    +36     122
    05/20/06  02 09 23 44 45    +38     123
    05/26/07  01 05 21 46 51    +29     124
    09/08/07  07 12 28 30 48    +40     125
    08/12/06  13 14 18 27 54    +32     126
    12/30/06  09 23 28 31 36    +26     127
    12/27/06  14 16 27 29 41    +29     127
    09/10/05  08 10 11 48 50    +16     127
    08/08/07  09 16 21 30 52    +09     128
    06/13/07  10 13 28 30 47    +26     128
    11/01/06  07 08 13 46 54    +35     128
    04/15/06  13 18 23 28 46    +33     128
    09/22/07  04 09 18 43 55    +03     129
    09/05/07  11 20 21 30 48    +18     130
    09/01/07  12 19 23 37 39    +13     130
    05/06/06  12 23 25 32 38    +27     130
    02/15/06  03 13 35 39 40    +37     130
    05/02/07  01 08 35 40 47    +09     131
    07/12/06  18 19 30 31 33    +15     131
    12/24/05  04 10 33 34 50    +14     131
    11/14/07  16 18 20 30 48    +06     132
    07/28/07  15 19 24 27 47    +11     132
    01/31/07  02 15 25 42 48    +14     132
    02/17/07  01 15 35 37 45    +32     133
    08/30/06  03 19 33 35 43    +01     133
    09/12/07  05 24 26 33 47    +01     135
    08/16/06  02 13 22 48 50    +02     135
    06/24/06  08 11 30 39 47    +23     135
    12/14/05  08 15 16 45 51    +11     135
    10/17/07  14 15 19 42 46    +37     136
    08/18/07  12 15 28 31 50    +12     136
    01/03/07  10 12 24 35 55    +31     136
    10/26/05  02 10 39 42 43    +23     136
    10/12/05  04 09 18 51 54    +10     136
    12/16/06  05 17 28 36 51    +05     137
    08/23/06  08 17 24 38 51    +31     138
    03/18/06  01 25 34 36 42    +19     138
    11/19/05  08 15 20 41 54    +22     138
    11/28/07  08 23 32 37 39    +38     139
    06/02/07  02 22 32 36 47    +36     139
    06/17/06  10 20 22 39 48    +25     139
    04/01/06  01 10 23 50 55    +29     139
    10/24/07  10 11 18 49 52    +02     140
    09/06/06  02 21 27 35 55    +01     140
    08/19/06  12 22 26 29 51    +09     140
    06/21/06  11 19 22 43 45    +34     140
    08/31/05  13 17 19 41 50    +13     140
    05/09/07  02 13 30 44 52    +40     141
    09/24/05  02 10 31 43 55    +14     141
    07/11/07  08 20 29 42 43    +35     142
    06/16/07  04 08 32 47 51    +27     142
    11/04/06  12 13 34 39 44    +05     142
    09/17/05  05 09 27 49 52    +06     142
    02/07/07  04 22 28 37 52    +10     143
    03/14/07  04 27 30 39 44    +18     144
    05/31/06  10 20 22 43 49    +03     144
    05/27/06  06 23 27 41 47    +19     144
    02/01/06  11 13 30 35 55    +37     144
    03/28/07  06 20 35 37 47    +01     145
    10/28/06  14 22 30 38 41    +12     145
    12/10/05  03 21 34 42 45    +39     145
    10/10/07  12 16 31 33 54    +05     146
    11/15/06  11 28 30 34 43    +29     146
    03/22/06  18 22 23 38 45    +31     146
    10/29/05  14 19 22 41 50    +21     146
    11/05/05  07 25 29 37 50    +17     148
    10/18/06  02 24 34 41 48    +24     149
    04/08/06  04 23 35 43 44    +35     149
    03/01/06  10 25 35 38 41    +23     149
    12/06/06  07 34 35 36 38    +14     150
    07/01/06  02 31 35 40 42    +34     150
    09/21/05  03 28 34 35 50    +08     150
    10/27/07  13 25 30 40 43    +12     151
    08/01/07  09 16 23 51 52    +12     151
    07/07/07  15 21 27 41 47    +20     151
    03/10/07  14 18 34 42 43    +32     151
    10/20/07  10 11 37 40 54    +10     152
    06/23/07  14 15 27 43 53    +28     152
    04/11/07  06 15 38 42 51    +18     152
    01/24/07  09 19 29 42 53    +17     152
    09/13/06  15 19 26 45 47    +03     152
    04/19/06  05 28 32 34 53    +10     152
    04/12/06  16 26 34 35 41    +24     152
    08/29/07  13 16 33 44 47    +29     153
    05/05/07  13 21 29 40 50    +06     153
    07/29/06  14 19 26 39 55    +29     153
    10/22/05  06 07 36 51 53    +17     153
    10/06/07  08 30 32 33 51    +02     154
    08/15/07  19 22 24 38 51    +09     154
    04/21/07  22 26 28 33 45    +17     154
    09/28/05  07 22 27 48 50    +17     154
    09/15/07  13 16 27 48 51    +21     155
    11/25/06  05 18 28 49 55    +38     155
    09/23/06  13 21 26 45 50    +20     155
    01/14/06  06 14 40 46 49    +17     155
    04/14/07  12 21 36 38 49    +18     156
    06/10/06  16 24 26 36 54    +11     156
    12/09/06  19 22 30 34 52    +40     157
    03/15/06  07 12 36 48 54    +37     157
    01/21/06  03 18 39 43 54    +41     157
    12/28/05  12 15 30 46 54    +01     157
    12/31/05  04 30 37 43 46    +42     160
    09/19/07  20 25 26 45 46    +15     162
    11/03/07  01 31 38 40 53    +42     163
    11/30/05  19 23 27 42 52    +01     163
    10/01/05  08 18 38 45 54    +23     163
    01/06/07  01 24 40 49 50    +38     164
    10/19/05  07 21 43 44 49    +29     164
    04/29/06  19 30 35 40 41    +14     165
    04/26/06  12 24 26 48 55    +14     165
    07/19/06  02 32 38 44 50    +21     166
    02/18/06  15 17 43 44 48    +29     167
    02/14/07  03 26 30 54 55    +15     168
    09/27/06  23 28 33 35 49    +16     168
    03/17/07  07 17 44 47 54    +03     169
    02/28/07  13 20 41 42 53    +02     169
    10/21/06  09 29 31 45 55    +07     169
    03/04/06  13 22 27 52 55    +26     169
    10/13/07  21 30 34 36 49    +42     170
    04/07/07  02 28 31 54 55    +23     170
    08/09/06  16 19 41 43 52    +35     171
    07/21/07  14 30 39 43 46    +14     172
    02/08/06  14 25 32 48 54    +10     173
    12/01/07  07 32 39 41 55    +13     174
    05/30/07  07 23 35 54 55    +28     174
    03/25/06  20 34 37 39 45    +32     175
    04/28/07  16 22 43 46 49    +10     176
    08/26/06  24 26 38 42 46    +16     176
    01/04/06  10 23 42 48 54    +03     177
    06/20/07  23 31 32 37 55    +35     178
    05/13/06  19 28 30 47 54    +13     178
    12/13/06  19 32 33 42 54    +15     180
    09/26/07  25 27 31 44 54    +08     181
    04/04/07  19 30 39 40 53    +16     181
    12/23/06  08 27 43 52 53    +05     183
    11/07/07  22 29 35 46 52    +02     184
    03/21/07  16 24 38 53 54    +05     185
    02/25/06  03 37 46 48 51    +22     185
    09/14/05  21 24 42 49 50    +01     186
    08/22/07  12 37 40 48 50    +37     187
    02/22/06  09 23 47 53 55    +39     187
    01/18/06  15 29 38 52 53    +07     187
    12/02/06  17 34 42 45 50    +11     188
    07/15/06  20 35 36 47 50    +05     188
    02/11/06  07 38 40 51 52    +14     188
    10/08/05  26 31 35 46 50    +28     188
    09/07/05  12 32 40 50 54    +37     188
    03/24/07  10 38 40 48 53    +03     189
    10/25/06  16 40 42 43 48    +01     189
    12/07/05  19 30 41 45 54    +14     189
    01/25/06  10 37 43 50 52    +14     192
    06/30/07  24 38 39 46 47    +26     194
    11/22/06  22 32 36 49 55    +08     194
    03/11/06  16 35 37 52 54    +33     194
    11/26/05  28 34 37 45 53    +32     197
    11/17/07  17 27 49 52 53    +23     198
    11/12/05  17 37 41 48 55    +39     198
    01/17/07  16 35 49 50 52    +31     202
    07/25/07  28 35 40 47 53    +30     203
    12/17/05  24 36 44 46 53    +18     203
    09/29/07  31 33 38 49 55    +39     206
    07/22/06  14 40 47 54 55    +06     210
    07/05/06  26 39 41 52 53    +20     211
    07/08/06  32 37 44 49 50    +13     212
    11/11/06  35 38 40 49 55    +41     217
    05/12/07  30 44 46 51 53    +25     224
    02/24/07  36 38 42 54 55    +24     225
    01/10/07  36 42 45 53 54    +36     230

    On 10/20/07 and 10/27/07 the sums were 152 and 151.  How close would you filter?

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      seems to me i keep the same two white balls in the field of play at all times.i've had  the 'ol red ball a few time or two but nothing to brag about.Crazy

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        5/56 sums range between 15 and 270, with 142 and 143 being the most likely sums to occur. But neither of these two will occur much more than 1% of the time. Probability would dictate that the likelihood of a repeat in any given 30-day period would be unlikely, but the possibility is always there.

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          Why use sums in looking for the numbers to play?

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            Looking at the past month's of sums for pb white balls only,  looks like a sum doesn't repeat within a month..  Would you think that filter would be one that would help you play smarter

            I would say yes, it's wiser not to.

            The way this question is worded, I think you'll get some votes the opposite of what they intended.

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              I thought filters are used to narrow the parameters.  If there are 255 possible sums and 10 are filtered out, that means only 4% of the possible sums are being rejected.

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                I thought filters are used to narrow the parameters.  If there are 255 possible sums and 10 are filtered out, that means only 4% of the possible sums are being rejected.

                Not necessarily. If the 10 sums that occur most frequently were filtered out, 422,948 combinations would be eliminated, just over 11% of the total possibilities. On the other hand, if the 10 sums that occur least frequently were eliminated, then only 24 combinations would be filtered out. In any event this might be effective when used with other filters, but not as a standalone.

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                  I know that I should not put my 2 cents in, mostly because I don't do jackpot games and so therefore know next to nothing about them.

                  But, a few times before I have taken quick looks at those kind of lottery games.

                  It seems to me, if I understood right, back then, when I took a quick look at the sums filter for those kind of games, that due to the nature and make-up of jackpot games, filtering out sums does no good, unless you filter out very many of the "Middle" sumsjohnph77 seems to be one who does understand this, I of course have never seen a sums chart for a jackpot kind of game, not too many people if anybody at all would have, as making such chart would be very hard and not practical to do and or almost impossible, but if my deduction was right, a relatively few sums (Out of so very many sums) "Hold" or "Have" most of the game's combinations, I only assume that to be true, this is not to say that sums are of no filtering value, because they probably are, but there might be many sums filtering techniques, some better than others, those that allow for "Mega" (Super) filtration and that do work (If there are any of those) would be best, study of the game's stats would tell if it is possible or not.

                  As I said, perhaps some people just "Clip" the lower and upper sums ranges and so do very little filtration, not enough, don't get stuck on just sums as there are other filters.

                  Maybe best to develop techniques to find one or more groups of numbers to wheel, that might be the 1st thing to do, other filters would come after that, while I at times filtered the complete straight and boxed pick 3 wheel of numbers, I would not do that with jackpot games, there are just way too many combinations.

                  Well, I am the wrong person to be talking about jackpot kind of games, even if I did help Harmen make one of his jackpot filtered wheelers, quite some time back. 

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                    http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/165993

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                       Sum Frequency
                        135 39001
                        136 39127
                        137 39234 
                        138 39302   
                        139 39351   
                        140 39361   
                        141 39351   
                        142 39302   
                        143 39234 
                        144 39127   
                        145 39001 

                      According to johnph77's chart http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/165993 ,the most frequent sums for a 5/55 game 135-145 covered 12% of the possible sums but with PB last 238 games they included 16% of the actual sums so maybe staying within such a parameter might give one an edge.

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                        <Moved to Jackpot Games forum>

                        Please post in the appropriate forum ... thank you.

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                          Given 9 drawings per month * let's say 39,000 combos dropped per game, removes 351,000 rolling white-ball groups from consideration, ~9.9% of 3,478,761. It's an edge but, as LANTERN mentioned, needs a few more ingredients to make a good soup.

                          I think if you have the correct sum, but not 5/5, the best you can do is 3/5. Blue Thinking

                          In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
                          Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.