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Do you think it wiser not to repeat the same sum within a month...

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Yes

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never thought about will consider it

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quick picks is how I play..

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Looking at the past month's of sums for pb white balls only, looks like a sum doesn't repeat within a month.. Would you think that filter would be one that would help you play smarter

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DATE NUMBERS SUMS
11/29/06 02 08 09 12 19 +25 50
01/11/06 03 06 14 17 18 +14 58
04/22/06 04 05 06 18 27 +24 60
10/03/07 02 04 14 15 28 +23 63
04/18/07 06 10 12 13 24 +19 65
03/08/06 01 05 07 21 43 +20 77
11/24/07 01 07 13 23 35 +19 79
12/20/06 01 06 14 26 34 +34 81
08/02/06 10 13 16 19 24 +15 82
07/04/07 01 02 15 17 49 +35 84
11/21/07 03 11 13 20 40 +20 87
10/07/06 03 04 08 31 45 +12 91
03/03/07 01 05 16 22 48 +06 92
12/08/07 04 08 25 26 31 +41 94
10/15/05 01 07 08 34 45 +15 95
01/13/07 01 21 23 25 26 +04 96
08/25/07 02 08 23 29 35 +19 97
02/04/06 04 12 13 30 38 +30 97
11/23/05 09 12 24 25 27 +33 97
02/21/07 02 08 22 29 37 +03 98
08/11/07 01 10 11 37 40 +20 99
03/31/07 02 05 16 36 40 +36 99
10/14/06 01 15 17 26 40 +19 99
07/26/06 05 10 17 24 43 +31 99
06/03/06 05 06 18 20 50 +35 99
05/10/06 03 04 11 37 44 +24 99
11/02/05 06 11 14 27 41 +38 99
12/05/07 01 08 15 21 55 +41 100
06/27/07 09 11 13 24 43 +18 100
10/11/06 05 10 12 35 38 +09 100
06/07/06 04 10 20 26 40 +08 100
01/20/07 01 05 26 32 38 +30 102
12/21/05 09 12 16 23 43 +37 103
04/05/06 03 09 24 29 39 +42 104
05/16/07 06 07 16 34 42 +23 105
10/31/07 06 16 18 29 37 +24 106
11/18/06 01 08 19 36 42 +20 106
11/10/07 06 22 24 26 30 +12 108
07/18/07 03 09 14 40 42 +03 108
11/16/05 05 18 20 21 44 +27 108
09/03/05 01 03 30 31 43 +36 108
04/25/07 12 13 14 17 53 +11 109
05/03/06 04 06 19 38 42 +37 109
11/08/06 08 11 12 26 53 +04 110
09/16/06 07 08 26 27 42 +12 110
09/09/06 03 19 20 22 47 +02 111
08/04/07 02 23 24 27 36 +03 112
05/23/07 03 11 24 36 38 +06 112
03/07/07 13 16 18 19 46 +36 112
02/10/07 02 11 16 41 42 +16 112
09/02/06 03 08 24 28 49 +25 112
08/05/06 02 03 09 48 50 +23 112
11/09/05 05 13 14 31 49 +30 112
05/19/07 03 19 21 26 45 +02 114
01/27/07 10 19 26 27 32 +14 114
01/07/06 02 16 21 32 43 +06 114
06/09/07 07 10 25 32 41 +22 115
09/20/06 07 08 17 29 54 +26 115
05/24/06 02 03 12 47 51 +10 115
10/04/06 03 07 27 39 40 +08 116
05/17/06 15 17 24 26 35 +38 117
10/05/05 02 15 25 30 45 +17 117
01/28/06 14 15 26 28 36 +36 119
02/03/07 12 13 20 33 42 +37 120
06/06/07 05 09 14 45 48 +28 121
06/14/06 04 14 15 40 48 +12 121
07/14/07 01 21 30 34 36 +37 122
09/30/06 06 15 30 32 39 +05 122
06/28/06 02 08 16 45 51 +32 122
03/29/06 02 14 24 28 54 +13 122
12/03/05 02 15 26 37 42 +36 122
05/20/06 02 09 23 44 45 +38 123
05/26/07 01 05 21 46 51 +29 124
09/08/07 07 12 28 30 48 +40 125
08/12/06 13 14 18 27 54 +32 126
12/30/06 09 23 28 31 36 +26 127
12/27/06 14 16 27 29 41 +29 127
09/10/05 08 10 11 48 50 +16 127
08/08/07 09 16 21 30 52 +09 128
06/13/07 10 13 28 30 47 +26 128
11/01/06 07 08 13 46 54 +35 128
04/15/06 13 18 23 28 46 +33 128
09/22/07 04 09 18 43 55 +03 129
09/05/07 11 20 21 30 48 +18 130
09/01/07 12 19 23 37 39 +13 130
05/06/06 12 23 25 32 38 +27 130
02/15/06 03 13 35 39 40 +37 130
05/02/07 01 08 35 40 47 +09 131
07/12/06 18 19 30 31 33 +15 131
12/24/05 04 10 33 34 50 +14 131
11/14/07 16 18 20 30 48 +06 132
07/28/07 15 19 24 27 47 +11 132
01/31/07 02 15 25 42 48 +14 132
02/17/07 01 15 35 37 45 +32 133
08/30/06 03 19 33 35 43 +01 133
09/12/07 05 24 26 33 47 +01 135
08/16/06 02 13 22 48 50 +02 135
06/24/06 08 11 30 39 47 +23 135
12/14/05 08 15 16 45 51 +11 135
10/17/07 14 15 19 42 46 +37 136
08/18/07 12 15 28 31 50 +12 136
01/03/07 10 12 24 35 55 +31 136
10/26/05 02 10 39 42 43 +23 136
10/12/05 04 09 18 51 54 +10 136
12/16/06 05 17 28 36 51 +05 137
08/23/06 08 17 24 38 51 +31 138
03/18/06 01 25 34 36 42 +19 138
11/19/05 08 15 20 41 54 +22 138
11/28/07 08 23 32 37 39 +38 139
06/02/07 02 22 32 36 47 +36 139
06/17/06 10 20 22 39 48 +25 139
04/01/06 01 10 23 50 55 +29 139
10/24/07 10 11 18 49 52 +02 140
09/06/06 02 21 27 35 55 +01 140
08/19/06 12 22 26 29 51 +09 140
06/21/06 11 19 22 43 45 +34 140
08/31/05 13 17 19 41 50 +13 140
05/09/07 02 13 30 44 52 +40 141
09/24/05 02 10 31 43 55 +14 141
07/11/07 08 20 29 42 43 +35 142
06/16/07 04 08 32 47 51 +27 142
11/04/06 12 13 34 39 44 +05 142
09/17/05 05 09 27 49 52 +06 142
02/07/07 04 22 28 37 52 +10 143
03/14/07 04 27 30 39 44 +18 144
05/31/06 10 20 22 43 49 +03 144
05/27/06 06 23 27 41 47 +19 144
02/01/06 11 13 30 35 55 +37 144
03/28/07 06 20 35 37 47 +01 145
10/28/06 14 22 30 38 41 +12 145
12/10/05 03 21 34 42 45 +39 145
10/10/07 12 16 31 33 54 +05 146
11/15/06 11 28 30 34 43 +29 146
03/22/06 18 22 23 38 45 +31 146
10/29/05 14 19 22 41 50 +21 146
11/05/05 07 25 29 37 50 +17 148
10/18/06 02 24 34 41 48 +24 149
04/08/06 04 23 35 43 44 +35 149
03/01/06 10 25 35 38 41 +23 149
12/06/06 07 34 35 36 38 +14 150
07/01/06 02 31 35 40 42 +34 150
09/21/05 03 28 34 35 50 +08 150
10/27/07 13 25 30 40 43 +12 151
08/01/07 09 16 23 51 52 +12 151
07/07/07 15 21 27 41 47 +20 151
03/10/07 14 18 34 42 43 +32 151
10/20/07 10 11 37 40 54 +10 152
06/23/07 14 15 27 43 53 +28 152
04/11/07 06 15 38 42 51 +18 152
01/24/07 09 19 29 42 53 +17 152
09/13/06 15 19 26 45 47 +03 152
04/19/06 05 28 32 34 53 +10 152
04/12/06 16 26 34 35 41 +24 152
08/29/07 13 16 33 44 47 +29 153
05/05/07 13 21 29 40 50 +06 153
07/29/06 14 19 26 39 55 +29 153
10/22/05 06 07 36 51 53 +17 153
10/06/07 08 30 32 33 51 +02 154
08/15/07 19 22 24 38 51 +09 154
04/21/07 22 26 28 33 45 +17 154
09/28/05 07 22 27 48 50 +17 154
09/15/07 13 16 27 48 51 +21 155
11/25/06 05 18 28 49 55 +38 155
09/23/06 13 21 26 45 50 +20 155
01/14/06 06 14 40 46 49 +17 155
04/14/07 12 21 36 38 49 +18 156
06/10/06 16 24 26 36 54 +11 156
12/09/06 19 22 30 34 52 +40 157
03/15/06 07 12 36 48 54 +37 157
01/21/06 03 18 39 43 54 +41 157
12/28/05 12 15 30 46 54 +01 157
12/31/05 04 30 37 43 46 +42 160
09/19/07 20 25 26 45 46 +15 162
11/03/07 01 31 38 40 53 +42 163
11/30/05 19 23 27 42 52 +01 163
10/01/05 08 18 38 45 54 +23 163
01/06/07 01 24 40 49 50 +38 164
10/19/05 07 21 43 44 49 +29 164
04/29/06 19 30 35 40 41 +14 165
04/26/06 12 24 26 48 55 +14 165
07/19/06 02 32 38 44 50 +21 166
02/18/06 15 17 43 44 48 +29 167
02/14/07 03 26 30 54 55 +15 168
09/27/06 23 28 33 35 49 +16 168
03/17/07 07 17 44 47 54 +03 169
02/28/07 13 20 41 42 53 +02 169
10/21/06 09 29 31 45 55 +07 169
03/04/06 13 22 27 52 55 +26 169
10/13/07 21 30 34 36 49 +42 170
04/07/07 02 28 31 54 55 +23 170
08/09/06 16 19 41 43 52 +35 171
07/21/07 14 30 39 43 46 +14 172
02/08/06 14 25 32 48 54 +10 173
12/01/07 07 32 39 41 55 +13 174
05/30/07 07 23 35 54 55 +28 174
03/25/06 20 34 37 39 45 +32 175
04/28/07 16 22 43 46 49 +10 176
08/26/06 24 26 38 42 46 +16 176
01/04/06 10 23 42 48 54 +03 177
06/20/07 23 31 32 37 55 +35 178
05/13/06 19 28 30 47 54 +13 178
12/13/06 19 32 33 42 54 +15 180
09/26/07 25 27 31 44 54 +08 181
04/04/07 19 30 39 40 53 +16 181
12/23/06 08 27 43 52 53 +05 183
11/07/07 22 29 35 46 52 +02 184
03/21/07 16 24 38 53 54 +05 185
02/25/06 03 37 46 48 51 +22 185
09/14/05 21 24 42 49 50 +01 186
08/22/07 12 37 40 48 50 +37 187
02/22/06 09 23 47 53 55 +39 187
01/18/06 15 29 38 52 53 +07 187
12/02/06 17 34 42 45 50 +11 188
07/15/06 20 35 36 47 50 +05 188
02/11/06 07 38 40 51 52 +14 188
10/08/05 26 31 35 46 50 +28 188
09/07/05 12 32 40 50 54 +37 188
03/24/07 10 38 40 48 53 +03 189
10/25/06 16 40 42 43 48 +01 189
12/07/05 19 30 41 45 54 +14 189
01/25/06 10 37 43 50 52 +14 192
06/30/07 24 38 39 46 47 +26 194
11/22/06 22 32 36 49 55 +08 194
03/11/06 16 35 37 52 54 +33 194
11/26/05 28 34 37 45 53 +32 197
11/17/07 17 27 49 52 53 +23 198
11/12/05 17 37 41 48 55 +39 198
01/17/07 16 35 49 50 52 +31 202
07/25/07 28 35 40 47 53 +30 203
12/17/05 24 36 44 46 53 +18 203
09/29/07 31 33 38 49 55 +39 206
07/22/06 14 40 47 54 55 +06 210
07/05/06 26 39 41 52 53 +20 211
07/08/06 32 37 44 49 50 +13 212
11/11/06 35 38 40 49 55 +41 217
05/12/07 30 44 46 51 53 +25 224
02/24/07 36 38 42 54 55 +24 225
01/10/07 36 42 45 53 54 +36 230
On 10/20/07 and 10/27/07 the sums were 152 and 151. How close would you filter?

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Dec 15, 2007, 2:28 pm

seems to me i keep the same two white balls in the field of play at all times.i've had the 'ol red ball a few time or two but nothing to brag about.
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Dec 15, 2007, 3:39 pm

5/56 sums range between 15 and 270, with 142 and 143 being the most likely sums to occur. But neither of these two will occur much more than 1% of the time. Probability would dictate that the likelihood of a repeat in any given 30-day period would be unlikely, but the possibility is always there.
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Dec 15, 2007, 4:32 pm

Why use sums in looking for the numbers to play?

Numbers are where you find them.
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Dec 15, 2007, 4:47 pm

Quote: Originally posted by tntea on Dec 15, 2007
Looking at the past month's of sums for pb white balls only, looks like a sum doesn't repeat within a month.. Would you think that filter would be one that would help you play smarter

I would say yes, it's wiser not to.
The way this question is worded, I think you'll get some votes the opposite of what they intended.

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Dec 15, 2007, 8:32 pm

I thought filters are used to narrow the parameters. If there are 255 possible sums and 10 are filtered out, that means only 4% of the possible sums are being rejected.

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Dec 15, 2007, 8:53 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Dec 15, 2007
I thought filters are used to narrow the parameters. If there are 255 possible sums and 10 are filtered out, that means only 4% of the possible sums are being rejected.

Not necessarily. If the 10 sums that occur most frequently were filtered out, 422,948 combinations would be eliminated, just over 11% of the total possibilities. On the other hand, if the 10 sums that occur least frequently were eliminated, then only 24 combinations would be filtered out. In any event this might be effective when used with other filters, but not as a standalone.

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Dec 16, 2007, 12:17 am

I know that I should not put my 2 cents in, mostly because I don't do jackpot games and so therefore know next to nothing about them.
But, a few times before I have taken quick looks at those kind of lottery games.
It seems to me, if I understood right, back then, when I took a quick look at the sums filter for those kind of games, that due to the nature and make-up of jackpot games, filtering out sums does no good, unless you filter out very many of the "Middle" sums, johnph77 seems to be one who does understand this, I of course have never seen a sums chart for a jackpot kind of game, not too many people if anybody at all would have, as making such chart would be very hard and not practical to do and or almost impossible, but if my deduction was right, a relatively few sums (Out of so very many sums) "Hold" or "Have" most of the game's combinations, I only assume that to be true, this is not to say that sums are of no filtering value, because they probably are, but there might be many sums filtering techniques, some better than others, those that allow for "Mega" (Super) filtration and that do work (If there are any of those) would be best, study of the game's stats would tell if it is possible or not.
As I said, perhaps some people just "Clip" the lower and upper sums ranges and so do very little filtration, not enough, don't get stuck on just sums as there are other filters.
Maybe best to develop techniques to find one or more groups of numbers to wheel, that might be the 1st thing to do, other filters would come after that, while I at times filtered the complete straight and boxed pick 3 wheel of numbers, I would not do that with jackpot games, there are just way too many combinations.
Well, I am the wrong person to be talking about jackpot kind of games, even if I did help Harmen make one of his jackpot filtered wheelers, quite some time back.
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https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/165993

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Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Dec 16, 2007
https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/165993

Sum Frequency
135 39001
136 39127
137 39234
138 39302
139 39351
140 39361
141 39351
142 39302
143 39234
144 39127
145 39001
According to johnph77's chart https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/165993 ,the most frequent sums for a 5/55 game 135-145 covered 12% of the possible sums but with PB last 238 games they included 16% of the actual sums so maybe staying within such a parameter might give one an edge.

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<Moved to Jackpot Games forum>
Please post in the appropriate forum ... thank you.
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Dec 16, 2007, 8:48 pm

Given 9 drawings per month * let's say 39,000 combos dropped per game, removes 351,000 rolling white-ball groups from consideration, ~9.9% of 3,478,761. It's an edge but, as LANTERN mentioned, needs a few more ingredients to make a good soup.
I think if you have the correct sum, but not 5/5, the best you can do is 3/5.

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