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Posted: February 29, 2008, 4:59 pm - IP Logged

I just wondered which pick-5 wheel anyone here has used and had luck with? Like what is the best coverage for the most numbers with the list number of games and  the best chance of  like 4 of 5 if not the JP?

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    Posted: February 29, 2008, 6:08 pm - IP Logged

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      Posted: February 29, 2008, 7:29 pm - IP Logged

      I just wondered which pick-5 wheel anyone here has used and had luck with? Like what is the best coverage for the most numbers with the list number of games and  the best chance of  like 4 of 5 if not the JP?

      For the best coverage, it depends on how much you want to bet. If you have a strategy that consistently picks 4 numbers out of 12 and an occasional 5, a 4if4 wheel with 113 combinations might be what you're looking for. A 4if5 11 number wheel costs $22 but if you want to use 12 numbers in the same type of wheel, it goes up $35 and $50 for 13 numbers. It's still possible to get 4 out of 5 by just matching 4 numbers and if you don't, the 2 and 3 matches might cover the cost.

      My strategy consistently picked 2 or 3 numbers and an occasional 4 out of 14 numbers so I played a 3if4 wheel and had a nice run for a couple of months. I got lucky and caught three 4 out of 5 matches just matching 4 numbers and made a small profit. They draw seven days a week and at $19 a drawing, I needed to average matching 3 numbers every draw just to stay in the game.

      It's an OK playing strategy if you're comfortable with a small profit or limiting your losses. I used the 3if4 wheel on this site because of the number distribution and the cost. Even though I got lucky and matched 4 out 5 when 4 numbers hit, it could have been only the one match 3 the wheel guaranteed.

      If your playing strategy is geared to hit 4 out 5, that's what you should expect so sometimes the playing strategy can actually limit your chances of winning the jackpot.  For about the same amount of money ($18), I could use just 3 numbers with all the other numbers and give myself a better chance of matching all 5 "if" my 3 numbers are drawn. Matching 3 will guarantee two 4s and sixteen 3s too.

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        Posted: March 1, 2008, 6:48 am - IP Logged

        Thanks Todd and Stack47 for the help.

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          Posted: March 2, 2008, 2:21 pm - IP Logged

          How much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ do you have?

           

          I'll  share 1/2 the jackpot with you.....secret play ever combination.....ssshhhhh don't tell anyone

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            Posted: March 3, 2008, 6:47 pm - IP Logged

            when 5 winning numbers are within 15 numbers,this formula has best guarantee to get a jackpot,and 100% of more 4 hits.This is a multi ticket wheel so it requires more investment.
            Numbers:01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15
            01 03 06 07 08 09
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            01 02 04 05 07 13
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              Posted: March 3, 2008, 10:36 pm - IP Logged

              Anyone ever actually ever try as extensive a wheel as this? How many is this 200 or so?

              How'd ya do?

               

              This can't even come close to covering al the combos.  Still very risky right. 

               

              I think I'll do a paper testt for fun. 

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                Posted: March 4, 2008, 5:19 am - IP Logged

                Total 168 lines,It has been tested that when each line has 6 numbers,it will win the most back when 4 to 5 winning numbers get dropped in 16 wheeled numbers.

                The only risky part is less than 4 winning numbers get predicted in 16 numbers.

                Hans

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                  Posted: March 4, 2008, 9:00 am - IP Logged

                  Total 168 lines,It has been tested that when each line has 6 numbers,it will win the most back when 4 to 5 winning numbers get dropped in 16 wheeled numbers.

                  The only risky part is less than 4 winning numbers get predicted in 16 numbers.

                  Hans

                   

                  Thanks Hans but I am more interested in the pick-5 games 1-39. I like the lower odds (LOL,LOL) like it matters......but thanks.

                  WHEN IT FEELS THE WHOLE WORLD SUCKS!

                  RELAX.........IT'S ONLY GRAVITY Big Smile

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                    For the best coverage, it depends on how much you want to bet. If you have a strategy that consistently picks 4 numbers out of 12 and an occasional 5, a 4if4 wheel with 113 combinations might be what you're looking for. A 4if5 11 number wheel costs $22 but if you want to use 12 numbers in the same type of wheel, it goes up $35 and $50 for 13 numbers. It's still possible to get 4 out of 5 by just matching 4 numbers and if you don't, the 2 and 3 matches might cover the cost.

                    My strategy consistently picked 2 or 3 numbers and an occasional 4 out of 14 numbers so I played a 3if4 wheel and had a nice run for a couple of months. I got lucky and caught three 4 out of 5 matches just matching 4 numbers and made a small profit. They draw seven days a week and at $19 a drawing, I needed to average matching 3 numbers every draw just to stay in the game.

                    It's an OK playing strategy if you're comfortable with a small profit or limiting your losses. I used the 3if4 wheel on this site because of the number distribution and the cost. Even though I got lucky and matched 4 out 5 when 4 numbers hit, it could have been only the one match 3 the wheel guaranteed.

                    If your playing strategy is geared to hit 4 out 5, that's what you should expect so sometimes the playing strategy can actually limit your chances of winning the jackpot.  For about the same amount of money ($18), I could use just 3 numbers with all the other numbers and give myself a better chance of matching all 5 "if" my 3 numbers are drawn. Matching 3 will guarantee two 4s and sixteen 3s too.

                    Here's a question I've been wrestling with for a while now and can't seem to come up with the best way to go.  When you create a wheel from any of the above scenarios (let's say using 13-15 numbers) and then back test to see what it would have done, do you go with the wheel that generated a couple of 5's, 4's & 3's or when modified you see that it got zero 5's but many more 4's & 3's with the thinking that it's less likely for the 5's to repeat but a better chance for one of the 4's to become a 5? 

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                      Here's a question I've been wrestling with for a while now and can't seem to come up with the best way to go.  When you create a wheel from any of the above scenarios (let's say using 13-15 numbers) and then back test to see what it would have done, do you go with the wheel that generated a couple of 5's, 4's & 3's or when modified you see that it got zero 5's but many more 4's & 3's with the thinking that it's less likely for the 5's to repeat but a better chance for one of the 4's to become a 5? 

                      That depends on the numbers of drawings used. I checked the 15 least frequent numbers in the Jersey Cash 5 game and they matched 5 numbers 4 times in 1600 drawings. Any 15 numbers would probably have some 5 matches. The order you place your numbers in an abbreviated wheel won't change the guarantee so if one or more of the combos has already been drawn, change the order.  

                      You could compare the amount of times your 15 numbers matched 3 or 4 in all the drawings to the last 400 drawings and see if they are proportional. Check 8 of the numbers and see how that affects the proportion. Some people use 8 to 10 of the most frequent numbers from a set number of drawings and that would affect the number of 3s and 4s simply because those numbers were drawn more.

                      You'll lose the win guarantee if apply high/low and even/odd filters to an abbreviated wheel, but you can decide there will be 3 low numbers and 3 odd numbers before you chose your numbers. Use 10 low and 5 high numbers and 10 odd and 5 low numbers in your 15 without losing the guarantee. Experiment with the order and find which order produces the most combos with your H/L and E/O proportions.

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                        That depends on the numbers of drawings used. I checked the 15 least frequent numbers in the Jersey Cash 5 game and they matched 5 numbers 4 times in 1600 drawings. Any 15 numbers would probably have some 5 matches. The order you place your numbers in an abbreviated wheel won't change the guarantee so if one or more of the combos has already been drawn, change the order.  

                        You could compare the amount of times your 15 numbers matched 3 or 4 in all the drawings to the last 400 drawings and see if they are proportional. Check 8 of the numbers and see how that affects the proportion. Some people use 8 to 10 of the most frequent numbers from a set number of drawings and that would affect the number of 3s and 4s simply because those numbers were drawn more.

                        You'll lose the win guarantee if apply high/low and even/odd filters to an abbreviated wheel, but you can decide there will be 3 low numbers and 3 odd numbers before you chose your numbers. Use 10 low and 5 high numbers and 10 odd and 5 low numbers in your 15 without losing the guarantee. Experiment with the order and find which order produces the most combos with your H/L and E/O proportions.

                        You are absolutely right about the frequently drawn #'s affecting the number of 3's and 4's because my 15# wheels would typically contain 9-10 freq. #'s and the remaining ones would be #'s that when they played, more times than not would play with those specific "hot" #'s.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to the odd/even breakdown because in the two wheels that I've focused on the most, one has a disproportionate amount of even #'s (11 even/4 odd) and the other one is pretty much evenly split (8 even/7odd).  When I played NY's Take-5 I paid more attention to odd/even breakdown because I found it factored in more.  I haven't noticed that as much in NJ's Cash 5.

                        I am going to try your suggestions and see what happens.  Thanks a lot!

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                          You are absolutely right about the frequently drawn #'s affecting the number of 3's and 4's because my 15# wheels would typically contain 9-10 freq. #'s and the remaining ones would be #'s that when they played, more times than not would play with those specific "hot" #'s.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to the odd/even breakdown because in the two wheels that I've focused on the most, one has a disproportionate amount of even #'s (11 even/4 odd) and the other one is pretty much evenly split (8 even/7odd).  When I played NY's Take-5 I paid more attention to odd/even breakdown because I found it factored in more.  I haven't noticed that as much in NJ's Cash 5.

                          I am going to try your suggestions and see what happens.  Thanks a lot!

                          Have you tried this:

                          Take all the numbers 1 by 1 starting with one of course. Take 50 draws that has the 1 and make a list of which number comes out the most with the 1. If you do this with all the numbers you will have pairs, three's, four's that you will be able to use for your wheels. For example when I play the 1 I often include number 18 because they are oftened paired together, mind you not ALL the time of course but alot of the times. I find that all numbers have a partner or two most of the time. Once you have this chart you'll have another tool to use. I've often ask myself which number like to fall with such and such number. I think 50 draws is enough to get the feel. Just a suggestion.

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                            Have you tried this:

                            Take all the numbers 1 by 1 starting with one of course. Take 50 draws that has the 1 and make a list of which number comes out the most with the 1. If you do this with all the numbers you will have pairs, three's, four's that you will be able to use for your wheels. For example when I play the 1 I often include number 18 because they are oftened paired together, mind you not ALL the time of course but alot of the times. I find that all numbers have a partner or two most of the time. Once you have this chart you'll have another tool to use. I've often ask myself which number like to fall with such and such number. I think 50 draws is enough to get the feel. Just a suggestion.

                            Thank you jackpotismine, yes I have used this approach and it is especially helpful in picking what GH calls "power" #'s, which are numbers that when wheeled appear in every game.  Using this approach can generate 3's pretty easily and 4's occasionally, unfortunately here in NJ the payout on a "3" isn't usually enough to cover the cost of any wheel of more than 10 games.  I'll keep plugging away at it though, good luck to you too.  If I come up with anything successful I'll definitely let you know ...

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                              Thank you jackpotismine, yes I have used this approach and it is especially helpful in picking what GH calls "power" #'s, which are numbers that when wheeled appear in every game.  Using this approach can generate 3's pretty easily and 4's occasionally, unfortunately here in NJ the payout on a "3" isn't usually enough to cover the cost of any wheel of more than 10 games.  I'll keep plugging away at it though, good luck to you too.  If I come up with anything successful I'll definitely let you know ...

                              Anytime! Our take 5 is only 22 numbers but not easy to hit. Last night no one won. I do have gh system. The most I've gotten is 4 numbers. It only pays 50 yuan which is about $3.50. 4 numbers isn't easy to hit either. Some people have said "What! only 22 numbers" yeah but believe me it's not easy to hit. I'll keep trying. Good luck to you too!

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