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Predictive Software.. I need one that makes functional narratives

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Posted: March 12, 2008, 9:46 am - IP Logged

  I need a predictive software that takes all the unnecessary details out .....and just leaves me looking at good old Functional Narratives.  Look at thisexample below and you will understand what I mean.

             It would take out all the confusing random details ......    I think this is Functional Art !   

 

 

A classic example of a structural vs functional narrative is the map of the Underground in London. When they first constructed the London subway system they produced maps that were accurate physical representations of the lines as they ran underneath the city. Unfortunately, the maps were somewhat confusing. It was difficult to follow the line to see where your stop was. These were structuralist maps. Here's an example:

Then, in the 1930's, a guy named Harry Beck realized that the exact physical position of the lines was unimportant. What was far more important was clear indications of the order of stops, transfer stations, and the general relation of the subway lines to each other. So he sat down and produced the prototype of the subway maps nearly all cities use today, with straight lines, 90- or 45-degree angles, and clearly marked and spaced stops. These are functional maps and here's an example:

On one level you could argue that the functional maps are "untrue". They distort the directions of the lines, the physical locations of the stops, all sorts of things. But on the other hand, these functional maps are truer to my experience of riding the subway. They cut right to the heart of the information that is important to me as a subway rider and do not distract or misrepresent the meaning of that experience, as a structuralist map might. You would only accuse a functional map of being untrue if you came to it expecting to find accurate information as to the structure of the city or the subway system. By that criteria, its obviously inaccurate.

 

 

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                       Win d    

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    WIN D,

    This is really interesting, because I just started learning C++ Object Oriented Programming about a week (+/- days) ago. It's very similar to what you just described. It's not necessary to know the exact path of your destination, you only need to know where it is you end up in your path. Similarly, as described in the book, SAMS Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days, it mentioned that in Object Oriented Programming you don't really have to know how a car works as long as the individual parts function properly, you can just get in, turn the key and away you go. It looks like I was already heading in the general direction anyway. Interesting coincidence.

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      Posted: March 12, 2008, 10:11 am - IP Logged

      Also,

      On a side note, I've been toying with the idea of integrating and implementing some kind of AI, similar to AI used in Gaming Software.

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        WIN D,

        This is really interesting, because I just started learning C++ Object Oriented Programming about a week (+/- days) ago. It's very similar to what you just described. It's not necessary to know the exact path of your destination, you only need to know where it is you end up in your path. Similarly, as described in the book, SAMS Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days, it mentioned that in Object Oriented Programming you don't really have to know how a car works as long as the individual parts function properly, you can just get in, turn the key and away you go. It looks like I was already heading in the general direction anyway. Interesting coincidence.

         Hello Jade ! 

           Thanks for your interest in this.  I hoped you and some others would get into it the same way I did.   

           So ... Object Oriented Programming huh? Hmmm .... so thats what that is.  I think I llike that.

         

          You said ..." Interesting coincidence"  .... 

           I say ....  Phase synchronization  perhaps.  LOL     Like the 2 clock pendulums falling into phase.   

         

         

        The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                      Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                      Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                               Win d    

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          Posted: March 12, 2008, 10:49 am - IP Logged

          Perhaps you mean that you want stats software that instead of giving you all those charts and numbers-figures-symbols just tell you what you need to know in order to make your winning prediction with.

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          This has to do with prediction logics.

          If the program does not know how you predict, then it also would not know what information to give to you either.

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          There must be a plan, it must be pre-programmed with the integrated prediction logics, then progressively scan the past draws for patterns in accord to the pre-programed prediction logics.

          Then give you the exact information that you need in order for you to use it to make your prediction with.

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          This is kind of the same as semi-automatic predictive software.

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          But as I said, you must know what it is that you want the program to do for you and in which way(s) you want the program to do it, you must already know all the details.

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          First of all: In which way do you predict? Once that is known then we can see about what information you need in order to make your predictions in that particular way.

          If you predict in more than once way, that is O.K. too, the program should be able to give you the needed information for everyone of the ways in which you predict.

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          But the programmer would need to know the exact way in which you make your predictions in order to know what info you need in order to be able to make them.

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             Jade .... the thing that orginally interested me in this was ...finding phase in synchronization of Chaotic Systems. 

            I don't really understand the modern versions of this theory .... I just know that I like it and feel compelled to follow behind the "war wagons" so to speak..... just like a cheap camp follower !  It's a living ....  LOL

              Synchronization


             
             

            Synchronization is a classical nonlinear phenomenon discovered in 1665 by Christiaan Huygens, the famous Dutch mathematician, astronomer and physicist. While working on design of precise pendulum clocks, suitable for determination of a ship coordinates in the sea, he observed and described synchronization of two clocks placed on a common support.

             

            Original drawing of Christiaan Huygens ilustrating his observation of pendulum 
            clocks synchronization.
              
            Modern epoch in theoretical and experimental investigation of synchronization was started 
            by famous works of E. V. Appleton and B. van der Pol.

            The picture is reproduced from the Appleton's Nature paper (1922) reporting synchronization of triode generators.

             

             

            Contribution of our group

            (in cooperation with the group of Statistical Physics / Chaos Theory)

            • Finding of phase synchronization of chaotic systems
            • Development of synchronization approach to data analysis
            • Book on synchronization
             

            A. Pikovsky, M. Rosenblum, and J. Kurths

            Synchronization
              A Universal  Concept in Nonlinear Sciences

            Cambridge University Press, 2001
             

            welcome to the book home page

             

             

            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                   Win d    

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              Posted: March 12, 2008, 10:59 am - IP Logged

              If a person does not already know how to predict, then it would be best to make the whole process completely automatic and just have the program give out its predicted numbers.

              But then the programmer would be the one who would need to know how to predict in order to make his program like that.

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              By progressively scanning and checking prediction techniques against a given range of past draws a program could pick the best possible technique or techniques or blend of techniques that should be used for making a prediction for the very next draw. 

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                If possible future "Lines" (Not really lines, is just a way of talking) are drawn then it might be easier to see which of them appear to be the most likely ones to come out next or soon.

                This is just a way of putting it.

                The "Lines" would be just progressions (Possible Future Projections) of particular patterns-filters. 

                This sounds almost esoteric, but it is not. 

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                  If a person does not already know how to predict, then it would be best to make the whole process completely automatic and just have the program give out its predicted numbers.

                  But then the programmer would be the one who would need to know how to predict in order to make his program like that.

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                  By progressively scanning and checking prediction techniques against a given range of past draws a program could pick the best possible technique or techniques or blend of techniques that should be used for making a prediction for the very next draw. 

                  Thanks Lantern.  One other thing we would need to go along with what you called a "Completely Automatic" process is a ............ a really big bank roll ....or a lot of gutts.  LOL 

                    I take it ..... when you say "automatic".... you mean "Static"  yes?  

                   

                   

                         Say .... that picture up there is a real due...zey isn't it ?  LOL

                   

                         There evidently was a "Don't ask don't tell policy" for scientist back then.  LOL   

                               

                                                                          

                                 How would you like to walk into the Bar or resturant ...Rest room.... and find this fella as the bathroom attendant ?  "Towel Sir "?   LOL   

                   

                   

                  The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                         Win d    

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                    Thanks Lantern.  One other thing we would need to go along with what you called a "Completely Automatic" process is a ............ a really big bank roll ....or a lot of gutts.  LOL 

                      I take it ..... when you say "automatic".... you mean "Static"  yes?  

                     

                     

                           Say .... that picture up there is a real due...zey isn't it ?  LOL

                     

                           There evidently was a "Don't ask don't tell policy" for scientist back then.  LOL   

                                 

                                                                            

                                   How would you like to walk into the Bar or resturant ...Rest room.... and find this fella as the bathroom attendant ?  "Towel Sir "?   LOL   

                    I think that it is cool!

                    Look at the long wavy hair and would you not like to dress like that? At least during the winter? 

                     

                     

                     

                     

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                    As to "Static" no, on prediction there has to be both: Static and dynamic elements, but it is much more dynamic than static or should be.

                    Prediction should be in accord to the pseudorandom stats with are dynamic not static.

                    But the program can't make rules, it can only be programmed with them and follow them.

                    A lot of money is needed and maybe also progressive betting, so do box first and save the money then do straight. 

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                    Sir Newton

                    Was he a hippie? 

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                    Whatever you want a program to do or find it can't by itself, it has to be programmed to do it.

                    Look at what the programmer of Lotomatrix3 said about how he came out with his program and the LottoMatrix3 filter.

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                    By the way that filter gives ideas for other filters also. 

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                      They could be called "Geometric Matrix" Filters, or "Graphical Filters", I looked into those things long ago and did come out with some good ideas, most of them long forgotten by now.

                      Also Bowldog's posts gave me an good idea or two time ago, also forgotten by now. 

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                        Some lottery software show some filter patterns of each of the past winning draws and some of them might also give skips stats for filter patterns.

                        They leave it up to the programs' users to make their own prediction interpretations of the patterns shown by the programs.

                        Perhaps most people think that a prediction program should predict the winning number.

                        It should also be possible for prediction programs to also make probability predictions of particular filter patterns and leave it up to the users what and how to use such patterns probability data to make predictions with, perhaps that is really what WIN D was asking for of lottery programs. 

                        I am not talking about getting due and or overdue data of filter patterns ("Structures", as Ricky calls them).

                        I myself almost right away went for what I call "Negative Predictions" as I could not find how to make "Regular" "Positive" predictions, this in no way means that it is not possible to make "Positive Probable Predictions", with the right software it should be very probable to do, but such patterns predictions should not be given just as more or less probable, but they should have some kind of probability scale and also a probable time frame.

                        As I always say, the patterns of the past draws should be in the proper ways scanned by the program according to preprogrammed rules.

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                          Automatic prediction does not have to be so hard and complicated, somebody made what appers to be a more or less simple prediction wheel long ago, a not for sale wheel and can't be given to anybody, I can't and won't give any details about it to anybody, so don't ask, that for the Tx Eve pick 3 on the last 6 draws hit 3 times, 1 time straight and 2 boxed, if the numbers had been played and boxed there would had been very  very little profit, if straight it would had made a lot of money due to the straight hit, but probably straight hits with it are or might be rare, I am not sure how often they might come, so for most people such a wheel might be useless or almost, on the other hand, on the last draw I tried to reduce the numbers some,  but not too much and came out with 20 of them, the boxed winning number was one of the twenty numbers that were left after the reduction, I think that I could had reduced the numbers even more, but as a very first try at reduction with them I didn't want to over-do-it, if I had played the 20 numbers boxed at $1 I would had made $60 profit, but I am only testing.

                          I  write this here just to tell people that perhaps some of them are trying to make prediction something a lot more complicated than it has to be.

                          There are very many ways of getting the winning number, some easier than others and also some more accurate than others and some get the winning number more often than others and some with fewer predicted numbers than others and some get the winning number sooner than others, like on the very next draw, instead of giving it in a few days or weeks as the workouts of some people do and some give the winning number for a particular state, instead of giving it for all states and you don't know for which of them.

                          That wheel is based or appears to be based on some kind of stats of the past draws, so it must have 2 components: Prediction Logic-Rules which are Set and Rigid-Static and the Past Draws' Stats which are Pseudo-Random-Dynamic, that is as prediction should be as there must be pre-set prediction-logic-rules already pre-programmed, a program can't work with nothing, the prediction logic instructions must be pre-programmed.

                          Perhaps a more or less simple workout, but so far on 6 draws very effective, but maybe useless to most who can't reduce combos some.

                          Automatic reduction could had been also pre-programmed, but was not, maybe for 2 reasons: It was meant to be a more or less simple workout and then the programmer might not have been too sure of his reduction skills, maybe afraid of cutting off the winning number too often.

                          Reduction is a prediction tool all by itself, but best used with other prediction techniques, as too much reduction is way too risky, even for a reduction expert. 

                          So far after that first try it does appear as if I could reduce the numbers often to maybe about 20 boxed without too much risk, but it is too soon to tell after only one reduction try at them. 

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                            Some lottery software show some filter patterns of each of the past winning draws and some of them might also give skips stats for filter patterns.

                            They leave it up to the programs' users to make their own prediction interpretations of the patterns shown by the programs.

                            Perhaps most people think that a prediction program should predict the winning number.

                            It should also be possible for prediction programs to also make probability predictions of particular filter patterns and leave it up to the users what and how to use such patterns probability data to make predictions with, perhaps that is really what WIN D was asking for of lottery programs. 

                            I am not talking about getting due and or overdue data of filter patterns ("Structures", as Ricky calls them).

                            I myself almost right away went for what I call "Negative Predictions" as I could not find how to make "Regular" "Positive" predictions, this in no way means that it is not possible to make "Positive Probable Predictions", with the right software it should be very probable to do, but such patterns predictions should not be given just as more or less probable, but they should have some kind of probability scale and also a probable time frame.

                            As I always say, the patterns of the past draws should be in the proper ways scanned by the program according to preprogrammed rules.

                            Hi,

                            quite a while ago i developed some basic code that would give me the missing structures of all states, i'd then started betting and hope i would hit.

                            I mean, what is missing must come in at some time, right?

                            Well, most of it did come in, but it just took way too long, sometimes my bankroll just wasn't big enough and that was the end of a winning street (and it was quite a street LOL!!!)

                            It is easier to find what is missing then to find what is hot.
                            Hot can be found, ofcourse, but i always had that "overdue must come in sooner or later" in the back of my head.

                            So why not combine them? Due and hot.
                            And that's exactly what i've implemented into the new version.

                            But like Lantern said, almost everyone has a different way of zooming in on the game, and a different approach.
                            You can  simply not create software that first reads one's mind and then magically throws the required data on the screen.
                            Lots of people think that way, and well, they are dead wrong!

                            Other people have a natural reflex of putting down any software that comes out and, most important, which is not available for free.
                            Well, i have news for those persons: there is no such thing as software that will each time spit out the winning numbers for the next draw.
                            Surely, no one would wanna buy such software! Imagine 1000 people buy such, and all play the euromillions, and they will all hit. Where's the profit in the end for those people?

                            The software i've developed i have developed it in the first place to be a tool that will perform calculations a millions times faster than a person can calculate them themselves.
                            Some people want stats on straight pairs, others want digits, others want stats on skips and even others want stats on skips on skips!
                            You can cut down the game into a zillion pieces, retrieve statistics and then decide where you wanna go.
                            The problem for most is that it takes a heck of a long time to calculate stats with pen and paper (try it, for all 300 straight positional pairs! Then, instead of doing it for one state, do it nationwide!!! You'll end up nuts and you wont be doing much else for the rest of the day! And then you'll only have the straight positional pairs!!! Go figure
                            I provide this info in a split second, that's the only thing to it)
                            Each and everyone of us has its own strategy, and that is where my program comes in. There is so much data available that there is a road for pretty much everyone in it. But, it helps if you have your own strategy.

                            Microsoft Word is very powerfull, but does even one person on the planet really expects that Word will spit out the perfect application letter just by starting up Word????
                            And, for those who like to put down any new software, does anyone blame Microsoft for that???

                             

                            You know, the "tube-map of London" is a very interesting example.
                            But you have to look at it from a different angle. It is created to give indications.
                            It was not created to tell you where you need to go!!! There's a major difference here!
                            It helps you to get to the point where you want to go

                            cheers
                            Ricky

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                              I prefer a software that will give me just a few stats.

                              I have no concern about box pairs , sums , roots and any other data that complicates matters.

                              Go right to the meat of the game and that is straights. Boxes are just a side bet if desired.

                              Keep it simple and the only thing I wish to know is the hit/skip and the percentile  factor at various hit skip levels for what I am looking for.