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# 5 / 39 games - 'periimeter' numbers

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Zeta Reticuli Star System
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 Posted: June 4, 2008, 12:41 pm - IP Logged

(I'm making an assumption here that all 5/39 play slips have the same payout, this is based on Illinois').

In the Illinois Lillte Lotto game 95 /39), the playslip is in rows of seven, 1-7, 8-14, 15-21, 22-28, 29-35, and the last is 36 -39.

So vertically the perimeter numbers are 1, 15, 22, 29, and 36 on the left, and 7, 14, 21, 28, and 35 on the right.

If we also count the top and bottom row, along with the numbers already mentioned, that would include 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 and 37, 38, and 39.

So we have either 10 perimeter numbers (25.6%), just counting the extreme left and right columns, or 18 perimeter numbers (46.15%)  if we include top and bottom rows.

I do a lot of pencil and paper workputs with some of the techniques that have been posted here at LP, and I also track this game daily.

It seems that the these 'perimeter' numbers show up in workouts - and sometimes hit - way more than the percentages say they will.

Has anyone here that tracks on Excel or a similar program compiled any stats on this?

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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 Posted: June 4, 2008, 3:10 pm - IP Logged

(I'm making an assumption here that all 5/39 play slips have the same payout, this is based on Illinois').

In the Illinois Lillte Lotto game 95 /39), the playslip is in rows of seven, 1-7, 8-14, 15-21, 22-28, 29-35, and the last is 36 -39.

So vertically the perimeter numbers are 1, 15, 22, 29, and 36 on the left, and 7, 14, 21, 28, and 35 on the right.

If we also count the top and bottom row, along with the numbers already mentioned, that would include 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 and 37, 38, and 39.

So we have either 10 perimeter numbers (25.6%), just counting the extreme left and right columns, or 18 perimeter numbers (46.15%)  if we include top and bottom rows.

I do a lot of pencil and paper workputs with some of the techniques that have been posted here at LP, and I also track this game daily.

It seems that the these 'perimeter' numbers show up in workouts - and sometimes hit - way more than the percentages say they will.

Has anyone here that tracks on Excel or a similar program compiled any stats on this?

39c5 = 575,757. Taking your 18 perimeter numbers an setting them aside, you're left with 21 internal numbers. Asking the question "How many combos are there with *only* internal numbers?" gives 21c5 = 20,349 out of 575,757 or ~3.5%, meaning a combo containing at least one perimeter number should show up about 96.5% of the time.

 peri 18 int 21 combos 5 8,568 X 0 1 8,568 4 3,060 X 1 21 64,260 3 816 X 2 210 171,360 2 153 X 3 1,330 203,490 1 18 X 4 5,985 107,730 0 1 X 5 20,349 20,349

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Zeta Reticuli Star System
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 Posted: June 4, 2008, 8:32 pm - IP Logged

Thanks for such a well thought out and detailed answer, time*treat.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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 Posted: June 26, 2008, 5:14 pm - IP Logged

(I'm making an assumption here that all 5/39 play slips have the same payout, this is based on Illinois').

In the Illinois Lillte Lotto game 95 /39), the playslip is in rows of seven, 1-7, 8-14, 15-21, 22-28, 29-35, and the last is 36 -39.

So vertically the perimeter numbers are 1, 15, 22, 29, and 36 on the left, and 7, 14, 21, 28, and 35 on the right.

If we also count the top and bottom row, along with the numbers already mentioned, that would include 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 and 37, 38, and 39.

So we have either 10 perimeter numbers (25.6%), just counting the extreme left and right columns, or 18 perimeter numbers (46.15%)  if we include top and bottom rows.

I do a lot of pencil and paper workputs with some of the techniques that have been posted here at LP, and I also track this game daily.

It seems that the these 'perimeter' numbers show up in workouts - and sometimes hit - way more than the percentages say they will.

Has anyone here that tracks on Excel or a similar program compiled any stats on this?

This reminds me of looking at the pick 5 or pb slips as keno boards.  Just watching how they mark up after a draw makes one look for certain patterns.

Thanks for the post..

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