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Wheeling with a group of #s will stretch your $$$$$ alot further as we all know.  But to win a jackpot we still need that genuine combination of all the winning #s on the same line.  Smaller wins will sustain and or help us to reach that plateau if we ever do.  I would rather have a taste and a sample of a win and imagine how it will feel when it is a million times that level.  Highs and lows will always be there, just remember you can feel any emotion you want for any given situation, just depends on you.  God bless and good luck to all.

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    Of all the posting over the years on LP, is there 1 method or system, that stands out, above all others? 

    Standout systems will vary by the game type (you didn't specify) & state. An argument could be made that RNG vs mechanical makes a difference, too.

    My 'method' is to discuss ideas with people who pay serious attention to detail.

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      Thanks Four and Bobp!

       

      I like this sytem and I'm gonna use it for Play4.

      I have to say, however, I don't get what it was larry and rick were saying at the end.

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        If one player buys 20 QPs and another plays 20 of their personal combos, they both have the same chance of winning jackpot. However for secondary prizes, I believe the systems player has the edge. Maddog's challenge could be played for $12 using a 3 if 4 wheel and each powerball and megaball could be played 3 times. Players could collect twice for matching 2 + 1. I've played 12 QPs and only matched one number out of the 60 with no megaballs. Which is the better bet?

        Matching 4 numbers out of 25 is difficult but I've seen you do that many times. For $20 you can play each number 4 times and you could never get that balance playing 20 QPs. The average player can't play all the combinations using 25 numbers but playing a 13 combo 2 if 4 wheel in a 5/39 game, matching 4 numbers at the very least will get you back $2 and possibly $10 or $300. Since the 13 combos have the same chance of winning the jackpot as buying 13 QPs, there is no down side.

        I don't know if you'll make a profit playing your system, but over time your cost of playing will be less than somebody buying a like number of QPs.

        If one player buys 20 QPs and another plays 20 of their personalcombos, they both have the same chance of winning jackpot. However forsecondary prizes, I believe the systems player has the edge.

        I can't say I agree with that completely. To me, it depends on the system. Some systems target individual numbers, whereas some systems(like mine) target characteristics of the entire set. Depending on the method used, the edge increase can applied to all prize levels.

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          Has anyone tried the Powertrail with the pick 5 numbers?

           

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            Posted: July 13, 2008, 1:17 pm - IP Logged

            PowerTrail with PowerBall

             

             

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              In my opinion it would be powertrails from one of our posters BobP. While this system doesn't create doubles. It gets you in the ball park and once you use it for a while you can decide which numbers to make a double.

              http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/pwrtrails.html

              How I got my doubles were to take the top two and  or the ones in 6th and 7th place to double.

              I like using the last 15 draws to the previous month to run the numbers, then play for the next month.

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                Posted: July 13, 2008, 2:40 pm - IP Logged

                Does everyone have the same chance of winning the jackpot? 

                Players using a system must think they have an advantage over players buying QuickPicks or they wouldn't be using their systems.  At least I always thought my system did that for me but lately I'm having second thoughts. 

                To answer the question, for the next few weeks I will be picking combinations using my system and pick the same amount of combinations using the LP Quick Picks RNG.  I think a month of comparing the results of both methods should answer the question and if it turns out my system is not during better than the LP Quick Picks then I going have to make some changes.

                "Does everyone have the same chance of winning the jackpot?"

                I would think they would if they all bought the same amount of tickets. People can say that they have an advantage over players buying quick picks, but I read a lot more people winning with qp's then systems.

                And before someone says it, yes I do know that more people buy quick picks then pick their own numbers.

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                  If one player buys 20 QPs and another plays 20 of their personalcombos, they both have the same chance of winning jackpot. However forsecondary prizes, I believe the systems player has the edge.

                  I can't say I agree with that completely. To me, it depends on the system. Some systems target individual numbers, whereas some systems(like mine) target characteristics of the entire set. Depending on the method used, the edge increase can applied to all prize levels.

                  Before the drawing neither of them know what's going to be drawn so I'm just comparing 20 combos to 20 other combos. One is getting $20 worth of action and the other is making an educated guess maybe based on percentages.   

                  "Some systems target individual numbers, whereas some systems(like mine) target characteristics of the entire set."

                  If a player guesses that 2 or 3 of the numbers will be even, 2 or 3 of the numbers will be low, and uses that distribution in all 20 combos, they only have an edge when they guess correctly. How big of an edge would depend on how many of the QPs had that distribution. If they guess wrong, they have no chance of matching all 5 numbers and the edge goes to the QP player providing at least one of their combos has another distribution.

                  About 42% of all the combinations in MM have that distribution and they should be correct in about 42% of the drawings using it. Since we don't know what the QP distribution will be, we can't determine if there is an edge. RJ compares a like number of QPs to their system every draw so over time an evaluation can be made.

                  Playing that distribution might get an overall edge over QPs, but it's still only 20 out of a possible 1.6 million combos having that distribution. The chances of hitting the jackpot depends on how many numbers are in the set and the total number of possible combos the distribution creates. We won't get paid off for matching a correct distribution or a set of numbers unless we have the right combo within them.

                  "Depending on the method used, the edge increase can applied to all prize levels."

                  In games with bonus balls like MM, the payoffs of $7 for matching 3 and $150 for matching 4 of the 5 numbers isn't much help to a system's player considering the odds. In most 5/39 games the payoffs are around 10% of the overall possibilities. In Rolling Cash 5 the odds of matching 2 numbers is 1 in 10 and the payoff is $1; matching 3 is 1 in 103, pays $10 and matching 4 is 1 in 3387 and pays $300. The odds of matching 3 in MM is 1 in 306 and 1 in 15,313 for matching 4.

                  A system that consistently picks 3 and an occasional 4 numbers playing a 3 if 4 wheel will give to give an edge by lowering the cost of play, but a system would still have to win a jackpot to prove it had an edge or the same number of QPs. Before the drawing I can't see any edge 20 system picks have over 20 QPs for winning the jackpot.

                  Did the jackpot winner playing his grand kids' birth dates have an edge, the players that won with QPs, or did "none of the above" have an edge?

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                    I used powertrails yesterday for the first time. I used a 10 day history and followed the example in the link Four gave. I've been off by one number twice. I think the key is to stick with it for a while using the same numbers.

                     I looked at Jade's system, but it's way out of my budget.

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                      Has anyone tried the Powertrail with the pick 5 numbers?

                       

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                      Hey tntea am I missing the 18 and 38 in here or is there a reason they are gone? Just wondering....Confused

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                        I use Gail Howards Smart Luck system. its the system I learned on and its the system I personally am going to stick with.

                        are there systems that are better?...maybe. but I'm not sure that any other system could work as well for me.

                        That nobody on this site has a better win/loss ratio exclusive to powerball (with real money) than my pool.

                        I have kept stats on how my pool has done in the powerball over the last 6 months (prize ratio) and If I told you the statistics over 6 months and 1800+ picks you my not be inclined to believe me. and the only way I could prove it to you is by faxing the winning ticket numbers.

                        The only proof I can offer is at Smartluck.com. there you will find an entire list of people who have won using Gail Howards Advantage Plus software.

                        What one person can do, so can another.

                        I have yet to see another system that has provided such proof.

                        In my opinion if you track numbers with a system you definately have an advantage.

                        If I had any luck at all, I would have won by now.

                        Best thing to do is to find the system that works for you.
                        easier said than done...I know.

                        Good Luck!

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                          Hey tntea am I missing the 18 and 38 in here or is there a reason they are gone? Just wondering....Confused

                          yeah...  I got  20 07 13 listed twice.

                           

                          Will redo at home tonight.

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                              I used powertrails yesterday for the first time. I used a 10 day history and followed the example in the link Four gave. I've been off by one number twice. I think the key is to stick with it for a while using the same numbers.

                               I looked at Jade's system, but it's way out of my budget.

                              Putting the 10 digits into an ordered list is the basics of most systems and Powertrails places them in order of digit frequency; either hot to cold or cold to hot. It's a nice systems to experiment with because you can use many different drawing histories, complare them, and try to find a sweet spot.