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bobby623's avatar - abstract
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Posted: October 31, 2008, 12:34 pm - IP Logged

Todd

As promised, here is the reply I received from a unbiased person who has lot of interest in how the TLC does things.

It seems, you and others are correct about how quick picks are generated in Texas, and elsewhere.

I stand corrected. Seems a lot of folks here in the Lone Star state, myself included, have been led astray by folks
who undoubtedly don't know what they are talking about. The convenience store clerks I know were surprised to learn
they are generating QPs on their machines.

Maybe they know, but rather the players didn't. You can always blame Austin if the player doesn't like the combinations. LOL

Dawn Nettles has also been misinformed. I'm surprised. She knows a lot of folks inside the lottery. Guess she needs
to take another look at her sources.

I sent emails to Powerball folks, as well. I was informed that all PB terminals in all states are equipped with RNGs. In fact,
this feature seems to be a hallmark.

Again, I admit I was wrong. Perhaps I should be more skeptical when it comes to making statements about how lotteries operate.
I don't buy QPS, so, it doesn't bother me one way or the other.

Have a good one!

Bobby623

Robert, here is the reply I got from TLC.  Hope this answers your question.

Gerald


-----Original Message-----
From: Anger, Michael <Michael.Anger@lottery.state.tx.us>
To: gbusald@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 9:29 am
Subject: RE: Quick picks

Gerald,
 
I am doing great.  I hope all is well with you also.  The Quick Pick generation takes place at the terminal (POS) level.  The numbers selected are then sent to the central computer as a ticket transaction request.  It is good hearing from you.  Please let me know if you need any additional information.
 
Thanks,
Michael
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    Posted: October 31, 2008, 1:31 pm - IP Logged

    Todd

    As promised, here is the reply I received from a unbiased person who has lot of interest in how the TLC does things.

    It seems, you and others are correct about how quick picks are generated in Texas, and elsewhere.

    I stand corrected. Seems a lot of folks here in the Lone Star state, myself included, have been led astray by folks
    who undoubtedly don't know what they are talking about. The convenience store clerks I know were surprised to learn
    they are generating QPs on their machines.

    Maybe they know, but rather the players didn't. You can always blame Austin if the player doesn't like the combinations. LOL

    Dawn Nettles has also been misinformed. I'm surprised. She knows a lot of folks inside the lottery. Guess she needs
    to take another look at her sources.

    I sent emails to Powerball folks, as well. I was informed that all PB terminals in all states are equipped with RNGs. In fact,
    this feature seems to be a hallmark.

    Again, I admit I was wrong. Perhaps I should be more skeptical when it comes to making statements about how lotteries operate.
    I don't buy QPS, so, it doesn't bother me one way or the other.

    Have a good one!

    Bobby623

    Robert, here is the reply I got from TLC.  Hope this answers your question.

    Gerald


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Anger, Michael <Michael.Anger@lottery.state.tx.us>
    To: gbusald@aol.com
    Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 9:29 am
    Subject: RE: Quick picks

    Gerald,
     
    I am doing great.  I hope all is well with you also.  The Quick Pick generation takes place at the terminal (POS) level.  The numbers selected are then sent to the central computer as a ticket transaction request.  It is good hearing from you.  Please let me know if you need any additional information.
     
    Thanks,
    Michael

    Thank you for following up and posting the response.  It is good to have this issue settled.

    I think there are some people, particular lottery critics, who aren't particularly computer-savvy and believe that a central computer generates the quick picks because it either makes logical sense to them, or because it fits their notion that somehow the lottery is controlling the outcome.  Taking the Quick Picks out of the equation of controlling the outcome would mean that the only other way the lottery could "force" a certain outcome would be to rig the drawings -- something that may be possible with a computerized drawing, but which would be pretty far-fetched for a ball drawing.

    (This is a comment made "in general", not about you.)

    If there's one thing I hope people will take away this, as it relates to my previous comments, is that I am not a person to casually make 100% definite statements about something unless I am certain of the facts.  If I thought there was a possibility that the lottery had a central computer generating numbers, I would have been much more cautious.

     

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      Posted: October 31, 2008, 2:00 pm - IP Logged

      Todd, Very well said.Its all by chance and luck nothing more nothing less.

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        Posted: November 3, 2008, 4:31 pm - IP Logged

        thank's JKING:

        great?????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        psyko can only ask & say "I HOPE NOT"......but>>

        maby Todd & other's will have much better input!!

        LOL

        PSYKOMO

        thank's bobby623:

        GREAT>>>>>>>>>>>>ANSWER>>>>>>!!!!!

        G@@D RE$EARSH'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

        UR the ^^^^^^^^^^BEST^^^^^^^^^^^^!

        LOL

        psykomo

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          Posted: November 4, 2008, 6:06 pm - IP Logged

          thank's bobby623:

          GREAT>>>>>>>>>>>>ANSWER>>>>>>!!!!!

          G@@D RE$EARSH'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

          UR the ^^^^^^^^^^BEST^^^^^^^^^^^^!

          LOL

          psykomo

          bobby623:

          NOW LET's WIN with QUICK-TRIX!!!!!

          LOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>$$$$$$$$$$$

          psykomo

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            Posted: November 6, 2008, 6:55 pm - IP Logged

            bobby623:

            NOW LET's WIN with QUICK-TRIX!!!!!

            LOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>$$$$$$$$$$$

            psykomo

            Thinking of...No Pity!

            bobby623 & all LP member'$$$$$$$

            be careful w/UR $ in these TIME'ss!

            psyko spent $50 on QP's 11-04 !!!!!!

            (WON only $10)...............this is what U may expect!!!!

            2-YEAR's ago>>>>>>>>my QP'sss>>>WON MORE>!!!!

            LOL

            PSYKOMO

              bobby623's avatar - abstract
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              Posted: November 14, 2008, 7:01 pm - IP Logged

              Tood:

               

              Here is an email I received today from the Texas Lottery Commission.

              Thought you might want it for your reference files.

              When you read this reply, you can't help but notice that they are talking in singular fashion when referring to a couple thousand
              RNGs across Texas.

              The statement about the May 2008 RNG test is interesting, and confusing.
              In any event, the question is closed as far as I'm concerned.

              Dear Bobby623

              Each terminal has a random number generator.

              To ensure the highest ethical and technical standards, GTECH Corporation
              has the random number generator tested routinely by an independent
              testing laboratory. The independent laboratory performs various
              statistical tests for randomness. Additionally, GTECH conducts its own
              tests of the random number generator. The most recent random number
              generator test was completed in May 2008. The random number generator
              has shown that it does not deviate in any statistically significant way.

              The on-line gaming system produces a statistical report for each
              drawing. This report shows how many times each number was selected and
              what percentage of the total selections it represented for all Quick
              Pick wagers. This report indicates on a continuous basis that the random
              number generator is producing random selections.

              Thanks for contacting us,

              Michelle Byrd
              Communications Specialist

              -----Original Message-----
              From: customer.service@lottery.state.tx.us
              [mailto:customer.service@lottery.state.tx.us]
              Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:25 AM
              To: Customer Service


              Sent an email to Texas Lottery Commission Customer Service: October 12,
              2008 10:25:21 AM CDT

              Comment: Question:
              When I buy a quick pick, are the combinations generated at the on-line
              lottery terminal at the store, or, at a central computer in Austin?

              Some folks believe that the lottery on-line terminals are random number
              generators that generate combinations and send them to a central
              computer where additional information is added and then returned for
              printing.

              I think the majority believe that all quick picks come from a central
              random number generator operated by GTECH, and printed at the terminal
              where the request for QPs originated.

              If the premise that the on-line terminals are in fact random number
              generators, it means that there thousands of them.

              Question: How often are these alleged on-line terminal RNGs  checked to
              insure that they do in fact generate random combinations?

              Thanks for your reply.

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                Posted: November 14, 2008, 9:14 pm - IP Logged

                I am just now looking at this thread, I knew that the quick picks were generated by the lottery terminals at the stores, I don't remember how I knew, I think that when the lottery came to Tx I was told about it, either by the stores' managers and or by the Tx lottery's agents, but very very much later I also read about it here at LP.

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                  Tood:

                   

                  Here is an email I received today from the Texas Lottery Commission.

                  Thought you might want it for your reference files.

                  When you read this reply, you can't help but notice that they are talking in singular fashion when referring to a couple thousand
                  RNGs across Texas.

                  The statement about the May 2008 RNG test is interesting, and confusing.
                  In any event, the question is closed as far as I'm concerned.

                  Dear Bobby623

                  Each terminal has a random number generator.

                  To ensure the highest ethical and technical standards, GTECH Corporation
                  has the random number generator tested routinely by an independent
                  testing laboratory. The independent laboratory performs various
                  statistical tests for randomness. Additionally, GTECH conducts its own
                  tests of the random number generator. The most recent random number
                  generator test was completed in May 2008. The random number generator
                  has shown that it does not deviate in any statistically significant way.

                  The on-line gaming system produces a statistical report for each
                  drawing. This report shows how many times each number was selected and
                  what percentage of the total selections it represented for all Quick
                  Pick wagers. This report indicates on a continuous basis that the random
                  number generator is producing random selections.

                  Thanks for contacting us,

                  Michelle Byrd
                  Communications Specialist

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: customer.service@lottery.state.tx.us
                  [mailto:customer.service@lottery.state.tx.us]
                  Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:25 AM
                  To: Customer Service


                  Sent an email to Texas Lottery Commission Customer Service: October 12,
                  2008 10:25:21 AM CDT

                  Comment: Question:
                  When I buy a quick pick, are the combinations generated at the on-line
                  lottery terminal at the store, or, at a central computer in Austin?

                  Some folks believe that the lottery on-line terminals are random number
                  generators that generate combinations and send them to a central
                  computer where additional information is added and then returned for
                  printing.

                  I think the majority believe that all quick picks come from a central
                  random number generator operated by GTECH, and printed at the terminal
                  where the request for QPs originated.

                  If the premise that the on-line terminals are in fact random number
                  generators, it means that there thousands of them.

                  Question: How often are these alleged on-line terminal RNGs  checked to
                  insure that they do in fact generate random combinations?

                  Thanks for your reply.

                  The on-line gaming system produces a statistical report for each
                  drawing. This report shows how many times each number was selected and
                  what percentage of the total selections it represented for all Quick
                  Pick wagers. This report indicates on a continuous basis that the random
                  number generator is producing random selections.

                   

                  Wouldn't this make it possible to control the outcome, knowing what the lesser payout would be by picking a combination that has the least amount of "picked/quick picked" numbers in it?

                  voir-vous dans mes reves!Cool

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                    Posted: November 25, 2008, 10:01 am - IP Logged

                    The on-line gaming system produces a statistical report for each
                    drawing. This report shows how many times each number was selected and
                    what percentage of the total selections it represented for all Quick
                    Pick wagers. This report indicates on a continuous basis that the random
                    number generator is producing random selections.

                     

                    Wouldn't this make it possible to control the outcome, knowing what the lesser payout would be by picking a combination that has the least amount of "picked/quick picked" numbers in it?

                    No, because that doesn't change the fact that the only way to manipulate the outcome would be to rig the drawing.  Texas conducts real drawings with mechanical ball machines, meaning that the chances of the drawings being rigged are practically nil.

                    Knowing the distribution of numbers is a good thing.  Would you really want the lottery to NOT see if their machines are operating properly?

                    They get the reports from the ticket data -- AFTER the numbers have been selected at the lottery terminal and sent to their database. 

                    These are all normal functions.  Believe me, I would say if I thought there was any problem in the process, since data processing is my area of expertise.

                     

                    Check the State Lottery Report Card
                    What grade did your lottery earn?

                     

                    Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                    Help eliminate computerized drawings!