Welcome Guest
You last visited January 17, 2017, 5:54 am
All times shown are
Eastern Time (GMT-5:00)

# Grouping numbers in a 6/49 lotto game

Topic closed. 7 replies. Last post 8 years ago by RJOh.

 Page 1 of 1
New Member
Youngstown, Oh
United States
Member #73257
April 9, 2009
16 Posts
Offline
 Posted: June 16, 2009, 7:18 am - IP Logged

As you all may notice that most Jackpot games use an uneven balls drawn to balls to draw from ratio. Ex: in a 6/49 the ratio is 8.1666666666666666666666666666667.  I figured to make a 6/49 as an even distrubution of 9 per group you can list the groups as

01-09|09-17|17-25|25-33|33-41|41-49. But most lottery draws are not perfect so if you compare this to your local 6/49 draw you'll notice that in most draws one or two groups'll be out, but on the plus side of it usually at least half of the distributed balls will be be in correct line up with it's own group. Ex: in Ohios classic lottos latest draw the numbers were(1 5 20 33 42 49) you'll see the 1st number was from group 1, the 3rd was from group 3, the 4th from group 4, and the 6th from group 6. As you see group 2 was left left out completly and ball #2 borrowed from group 1 and ball#5 borrowed from group 6. Another thing you may notice is that numbers 09,17,25,33,and 41 are splits between groups. In a perfect lotto draw as we had 3/18/2009 (7 17 18 33 39 47), you'll see each ball was from within it's own group, which may happen only 5%>. But I'm sure you all see where I'm comming from with this. Give it a crack with you local lottery and compare.

mid-Ohio
United States
Member #9
March 24, 2001
19894 Posts
Offline
 Posted: June 16, 2009, 8:13 am - IP Logged

How is that working for your local Ohio Classic Lotto which is a 649 game?  No one has won the jackpot in eight months and now its amount is a record high after every drawing.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

Texas
United States
Member #55889
October 23, 2007
5744 Posts
Offline
 Posted: June 16, 2009, 8:33 am - IP Logged

I have always tracked by decades, ie; 1-9;10-19;20-29, etc.  In the Lotto Texas game there are 54 numbers in the game. So there are 5 numbers in the 50's decade. However, the 50's have played 141 times in the 6th position as opposed to the 40's playing 135 in the 6th position. This is over 327 drawings, so there is not that much difference in the big picture. I still think this is useful info, but overall, I only use this info to try to cut the odds some, because it still takes luck more than anything else to win.

We have had 3 winners this year so far with the highest jackpot being 28 mil. The other 2 jackpots have been 10 mil and 11 mil. Our jackpots don't get very high too often, and I've read the Commission's transcripts that they are a little perplexed by this. Even the people that run the games get stymied.

New Member
Youngstown, Oh
United States
Member #73257
April 9, 2009
16 Posts
Offline
 Posted: June 17, 2009, 12:45 pm - IP Logged

How is that working for your local Ohio Classic Lotto which is a 649 game?  No one has won the jackpot in eight months and now its amount is a record high after every drawing.

I didn't say my method was perfect but if you look you'll notice that more times than not that the drawings are drawn within this method with leaving out 1 or 2 of these groups with usually 3 or more ball positions matching it's own group.

New Member
Youngstown, Oh
United States
Member #73257
April 9, 2009
16 Posts
Offline
 Posted: June 17, 2009, 12:52 pm - IP Logged

I know most people divide into decades as you do but the way most lotteries are it's not possible for even distribution due to the single digits never having a 00. with the way I've divided the groups you;l notice each group has an equal number of balls in them. And also in a 6/49 ball #1 only has one position it can be played in as well as 49. The only lottery I can recall having even distribution was when Powerball was a 5/55 game, but I'm sure there are others.

CA
United States
Member #2987
December 10, 2003
832 Posts
Offline
 Posted: June 17, 2009, 3:01 pm - IP Logged

I have always tracked by decades, ie; 1-9;10-19;20-29, etc.  In the Lotto Texas game there are 54 numbers in the game. So there are 5 numbers in the 50's decade. However, the 50's have played 141 times in the 6th position as opposed to the 40's playing 135 in the 6th position. This is over 327 drawings, so there is not that much difference in the big picture. I still think this is useful info, but overall, I only use this info to try to cut the odds some, because it still takes luck more than anything else to win.

We have had 3 winners this year so far with the highest jackpot being 28 mil. The other 2 jackpots have been 10 mil and 11 mil. Our jackpots don't get very high too often, and I've read the Commission's transcripts that they are a little perplexed by this. Even the people that run the games get stymied.

The 6th position occurances in a 6/54 game are not unusual. In the 25,857,165 total possibilities, 40s are the highest number in 10,721,393 combinations, 50s are the highest number in 11,843,349 combinations.

As you stated, though, given the total number of possibilities, 327 drawings are not enough to draw any statistical conclusions.

gl

j

Blessed Saint Leibowitz, keep 'em dreamin' down there.....

Next week's convention for Psychics and Prognosticators has been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.

=^.^=

mid-Ohio
United States
Member #9
March 24, 2001
19894 Posts
Offline
 Posted: June 17, 2009, 3:18 pm - IP Logged

I didn't say my method was perfect but if you look you'll notice that more times than not that the drawings are drawn within this method with leaving out 1 or 2 of these groups with usually 3 or more ball positions matching it's own group.

With jackpot games, a system doesn't has to be perfect but just work once if the jackpot is large enough.

I divided the numbers in the 376 Ohio Classic Lotto drawings into six groups as you suggested and found there were 202 different distribution patterns of the six groups.  Only six times did I find a combination with a number for each of the six groups.

I didn't find any distinctive distribution patterns that would give me an edge in picking winning combinations.

Keep posting those ideas, they are what make LP such an interesting place for lottery players to gather.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

mid-Ohio
United States
Member #9
March 24, 2001
19894 Posts
Offline
 Posted: June 25, 2009, 7:25 pm - IP Logged

As you all may notice that most Jackpot games use an uneven balls drawn to balls to draw from ratio. Ex: in a 6/49 the ratio is 8.1666666666666666666666666666667.  I figured to make a 6/49 as an even distrubution of 9 per group you can list the groups as

01-09|09-17|17-25|25-33|33-41|41-49. But most lottery draws are not perfect so if you compare this to your local 6/49 draw you'll notice that in most draws one or two groups'll be out, but on the plus side of it usually at least half of the distributed balls will be be in correct line up with it's own group. Ex: in Ohios classic lottos latest draw the numbers were(1 5 20 33 42 49) you'll see the 1st number was from group 1, the 3rd was from group 3, the 4th from group 4, and the 6th from group 6. As you see group 2 was left left out completly and ball #2 borrowed from group 1 and ball#5 borrowed from group 6. Another thing you may notice is that numbers 09,17,25,33,and 41 are splits between groups. In a perfect lotto draw as we had 3/18/2009 (7 17 18 33 39 47), you'll see each ball was from within it's own group, which may happen only 5%>. But I'm sure you all see where I'm comming from with this. Give it a crack with you local lottery and compare.

Now that Ohio Classic Lotto 649 game is setting new records for its jackpot amount, I'll be watching for someone from Youngstown to win it.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

 Page 1 of 1