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A different kind of wheel for p-5 and p-6 games

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Posted: June 25, 2009, 3:36 pm - IP Logged

Winners testimonials, ah, that's what makes sellers great, right? By all means, please believe all those stories you can read on a bunch load of websites.

About Gail Howard: she does NOT sell a system, she sells software and tells you how you can make your own interpretation of the data generated. Some testimonials on the Gail Howard site are about winners who used her wheels, with their own numbers, not with numbers generated by the software itself. As someone stated before: wheels are only as good as the numbers you put in them. Ironically, that same "winner" could have used a wheeling system available on the WWW for free! Hyper

As for the "inverted lottery system": it has been available to buy for how many months now? Four months? So I think your remark (i buy this sytem bUT DONT WORK FOR ME) is a bit strange... How many times have you played it? Do you expect to win the jackpot every time you play?

You would have a valid point if the inverted lottery system would not deliver on its promises, and as far as I can tell, it does just that: it reduces the odds of playing your lottery in as little as seven tickets (for a pick 6 lottery).

Although I'm not someone who buys all kinds of lottery systems or lottery software, if there is one person I would trust for telling the truth about his system, it would be Stefan. It is not one of those guys who claims you will win a jackpot, guaranteed. He simply stated that, by playing his system, you reduce the odds in your favour, and stressed that you still need luck to win the big one. Having said that, I would still prefer investing my money in the lottery itself than in buying a lottery system.

I don't have a problem with Stefan and LottoTrix, not even after he beat my world record on MersyWorld for the best 2if6of49 wheel in 19 combinations, he won fair and square.   

His 2if2 wheels are the best available and his system is good information for newbie players. 

He did come out in support of my warnings to avoid split wheels, one of the reasons I wrote my Lotto-Logix book Win Your Lottery due to all the worthless crap out there.  Yes you can find free wheels on the web and you can pay the price if they turn out to be split which means you can NOT win a jackpot in 99 out of 100 draws you play that wheel in. 

The authors will try and claim you can win a jackpot in any draw, which is true, but won't tell you that is only possible in 1 out of 100 draws.  There is a huge difference between being able to win in any draw and being able to win in only 1 out of 100 draws.   Why would anyone want to waste their time playing in 99 draws they can't win?

The Inverted Lottery System does what it says, but it quickly becomes clear the more tickets you make up and play the better your chances become.   If the low playing cost is what brought you in, well you still can win though the odds are roughly equal to playing one ticket in a smaller lottery game.

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    I tried an experiment withthe wheel as my last night's Mad-dog's was one away on,

    3 of the numbers, and I actually got one right,    so I changed my one aways to winning numbers

          therefore (out here in dream world)-  I would have 4 right, out of twelve

                 and it actually produced 2  three, outa 5's   but that would only,  be $14,  compared to the $18 dollars spent  (power-play)

              Now if I would have dropped, one of my numbers and, added a winning number,    say five outta 12,    it still produced another 3 outta 5

     And when I did Bob's wheel it did the same,  2 three outta 5's,     but when I dropped and added a winning number  it produced a  4 outta 5

            Not sure if I did it right,   mabey put togehter 12 numbers  that includes, last night's winning 5 white balls from PB,   for testing purposes

        either way   we need a low cost wheel for 12.       I'm o.k for both  but I don't have almost $300,  for a 5 outta 12.

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      GameBelgium and to others...

      Gamebelgium you said that the amount of $$$ to play that wheels is not affordable...I don't know how much it is nor do i know about Belgium Lotto and how much it pays but have you thought of "Pooling" for it and then be able to play it...

      It was just a suggestion....

      The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


       


       


       

       


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        GameBelgium and to others...

        Gamebelgium you said that the amount of $$$ to play that wheels is not affordable...I don't know how much it is nor do i know about Belgium Lotto and how much it pays but have you thought of "Pooling" for it and then be able to play it...

        It was just a suggestion....

        This just proves to me and is something i've been saying but noone believes me...Just the same way there are wheels like that that nobody knows about, there are wheels that perhaps nobody really knows about, super hot wheels that could be a sharp as a knife and perhaps the big boys [the ones that have money], can afford them maybe in the black market...This is beyond mathematics/combinatorics...

        The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


         


         


         

         



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          Before throwing money away on a 2if2of6in12number6combination wheel (12,6,2,2)=6.  Please understand there is nothing new here, most quality wheels include 2if2 in their coverage or you can add it in when making your own wheels. 

          Look at the Lotto-Logix 4if6in12numbers6combination wheel . . .

           1  2  3  4  5  6
           1  2  3  7  8  9
           1  2  3 10 11 12
           4  5  6  7  8  9
           4  5  6 10 11 12
           7  8  9 10 11 12

          Not only does it cover 4if6in12, it also covers 2if2of6in12, (and 2if3, 2if4, 2if5, 2if6 and 3if5 and 3if6 and 4if6) and not only that it covers 4if5of6in the first 9 and last 9 numbers.  If you look carefully you will see four sets of three numbes: 01-02-03, 04-05-06, 07-08-09, 10-11-12.  If you get any two of those four sets correct, instant jackpot.  Can't do that with any 2if2 wheel. 
          This is why a wheel maker like CoverMaster is so sweet.  Not only can you make your own wheels, you can TEST them. 

          T if M    Tested Covered         % Not Covered     %
          ----------------------------------------------------
          2 If 2 :      66      66 100.00000       0   0.00000
          2 If 3 :     220     220 100.00000       0   0.00000
          2 If 4 :     495     495 100.00000       0   0.00000
          2 If 5 :     792     792 100.00000       0   0.00000
          2 If 6 :     924     924 100.00000       0   0.00000
          2 If 7 :     792     792 100.00000       0   0.00000
          3 If 3 :     220     112  50.90909     108  49.09091
          3 If 4 :     495     414  83.63636      81  16.36364
          3 If 5 :     792     792 100.00000       0   0.00000
          3 If 6 :     924     924 100.00000       0   0.00000
          3 If 7 :     792     792 100.00000       0   0.00000
          4 If 4 :     495      90  18.18182     405  81.81818
          4 If 5 :     792     468  59.09091     324  40.90909
          4 If 6 :     924     924 100.00000       0   0.00000
          4 If 7 :     792     792 100.00000       0   0.00000
          5 If 5 :     792      36   4.54545     756  95.45455
          5 If 6 :     924     222  24.02597     702  75.97403
          5 If 7 :     792     468  59.09091     324  40.90909
          6 If 7 :     792      36   4.54545     756  95.45455

          BobP

          I see that you have the same thing and some more. And it looks like covering a huge amount costs a huge amount...lol....And I'm hoping his combined wheel system will not cost a whopping 792 bucks like in your chart or 924 bucks, but rather a reasonable amount. But in his sales pitch he says he has advanced wheels that cover all 36 numbers like Florida fantasy five. Meaning, any two numbers you pick between 1 thru 36 will be in one of those lines. I hope it would cost under a hundred bucks to do this.

          Is there a wheel or combined wheels that you have in lotto logix working together, that accomplishes what Stefan claims to have? a 36 or more number wheel instead of a 12 or 18, or would there be too many lines?

          And in either case, if I spent let's say a hundred bucks on a wheeling system that covered any 2 numbers from 1-36, how many possibilities are there in only getting 3 numbers correct? I ask this because if you covered any and every 2 number set in 1-36, then the lottery would be a 3 number lottery. What would be the odds be then? And the cost.

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            I see that you have the same thing and some more. And it looks like covering a huge amount costs a huge amount...lol....And I'm hoping his combined wheel system will not cost a whopping 792 bucks like in your chart or 924 bucks, but rather a reasonable amount. But in his sales pitch he says he has advanced wheels that cover all 36 numbers like Florida fantasy five. Meaning, any two numbers you pick between 1 thru 36 will be in one of those lines. I hope it would cost under a hundred bucks to do this.

            Is there a wheel or combined wheels that you have in lotto logix working together, that accomplishes what Stefan claims to have? a 36 or more number wheel instead of a 12 or 18, or would there be too many lines?

            And in either case, if I spent let's say a hundred bucks on a wheeling system that covered any 2 numbers from 1-36, how many possibilities are there in only getting 3 numbers correct? I ask this because if you covered any and every 2 number set in 1-36, then the lottery would be a 3 number lottery. What would be the odds be then? And the cost.

            Extract CoverMaster from the zip archive to a directory on your computer like c:/CM  click on CM.exe  the program opens.   Set to  . . .

            Pool: 36
            Pick: 5
            Match: 2
            Hits: 2
            [Generate][Timed Random Search 1 sec][Check Auto Optomize][Start][Finished][Tools][Sort][Numerical] 

              1  2  7 10 33
             1  2  9 28 29
             1  3  5 25 29
             1  4 16 17 19
             1  6  8 25 31
             1  9 11 13 32
             1  9 20 24 35
             1  9 30 34 36
             1 12 21 26 30
             1 14 22 23 29
             1 15 18 27 35
             2  3 19 27 32
             2  4 11 29 30
             2  4 20 25 36
             2  5  9 12 23
             2  6  7 18 26
             2  8 13 22 26
             2 14 17 26 36
             2 15 21 24 31
             2 16 28 34 35
             3  4  7 12 34
             3  6 15 21 22
             3  8 30 33 35
             3  9 10 17 26
             3 11 20 26 28
             3 12 22 24 27
             3 13 14 16 31
             3 18 23 24 36
             4  5  8 10 15
             4  6 24 28 32
             4  8 26 27 34
             4  9 18 22 31
             4 10 14 18 35
             4 13 21 23 33
             5  6 13 20 27
             5  7 17 22 28
             5 11 16 18 21
             5 14 21 35 36
             5 18 32 33 34
             5 19 22 24 30
             5 26 31 32 35
             6  9 14 19 33
             6 10 16 23 30
             6 11 15 34 36
             6 12 17 29 35
             7  8 11 14 24
             7  9 15 16 25
             7 10 15 20 32
             7 13 19 35 36
             7 21 22 29 32
             7 23 27 30 31
             8  9 21 27 28
             8 12 16 32 36
             8 17 23 25 32
             8 18 19 20 29
            10 11 12 19 31
            10 13 24 29 34
            10 19 21 25 28
            10 22 27 34 36
            11 15 17 27 33
            11 22 23 25 35
            12 13 15 18 28
            12 14 25 27 34
            12 16 20 22 33
            13 17 18 25 30
            14 15 29 30 32
            14 20 23 28 30
            15 19 23 26 34
            16 24 26 27 29
            17 20 21 31 34
            17 24 25 26 33
            28 29 31 33 36
            end 72 lines 2if2of5of36 (36,5,2,2)=72

            Drop down box [Tools][Reports][Quick]

            T if M      Tested   Covered         % Not Covered       %
            ----------------------------------------------------------------
            2 If 2 :       630       630 100.00000         0   0.00000
            2 If 3 :     7,140     7,140 100.00000         0   0.00000
            2 If 4 :    58,905    58,905 100.00000         0   0.00000
            2 If 5 :   376,992   376,992 100.00000         0   0.00000
            2 If 6 : 1,947,792 1,947,792 100.00000         0   0.00000
            2 If 7 : 8,347,680 8,347,680 100.00000         0   0.00000
            3 If 3 :     7,140       720  10.08403     6,420  89.91597
            3 If 4 :    58,905    21,786  36.98498    37,119  63.01502
            3 If 5 :   376,992   270,779  71.82619   106,213  28.17381
            3 If 6 : 1,947,792 1,830,739  93.99048   117,053   6.00952
            3 If 7 : 8,347,680 8,314,588  99.60358    33,092   0.39642
            4 If 4 :    58,905       360   0.61115    58,545  99.38885
            4 If 5 :   376,992    11,232   2.97937   365,760  97.02063
            4 If 6 : 1,947,792   168,732   8.66273 1,779,060  91.33727
            4 If 7 : 8,347,680 1,424,781  17.06799 6,922,899  82.93201
            5 If 6 : 1,947,792     2,232   0.11459 1,945,560  99.88541
            5 If 7 : 8,347,680    33,480   0.40107 8,314,200  99.59893

            So odds of getting 3 correct with this 2if2 wheel are 71.8% cost 72 plays.

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              Thank you BOB. You just saved me 37 bucks.

              You definitely know your stuff !

              BTW, would you know off hand what the odds are in a 36 game with having to only pick 3 numbers correct? Since I'd cover any two numbers for 72 bucks, what would the new odds be?

              Thank you.

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                Thank you BOB. You just saved me 37 bucks.

                You definitely know your stuff !

                BTW, would you know off hand what the odds are in a 36 game with having to only pick 3 numbers correct? Since I'd cover any two numbers for 72 bucks, what would the new odds be?

                Thank you.

                Ok, we're still playing the game where the first number is drawn and we have it on a ticket(s), then the second number is drawn and we have it on a ticket along with the first number.  This means we now have one ticket with two numbers guaranteed in a 5/36 game reduced to a 3/34 game already having two of the numbers, the odds of winning a 3/34 game jackpot are 1 in 5,984. 
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                  Ok, we're still playing the game where the first number is drawn and we have it on a ticket(s), then the second number is drawn and we have it on a ticket along with the first number.  This means we now have one ticket with two numbers guaranteed in a 5/36 game reduced to a 3/34 game already having two of the numbers, the odds of winning a 3/34 game jackpot are 1 in 5,984. 
                  BobP

                  You are the MAN !

                  I guess it's still kinda high, but will use filters i guess.

                  Thanks again.


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                    You are the MAN !

                    I guess it's still kinda high, but will use filters i guess.

                    Thanks again.


                    LOL and you thought Matchmaker would get you somewhere?


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                      LOL and you thought Matchmaker would get you somewhere?

                      In his first post, but after the second page I quickly grew for the wiser.

                      All he is, is an attention seeker.