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Been wanting to know the answer to this for years...

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Posted: June 27, 2009, 7:47 pm - IP Logged

I don't know if i am correct or not [that's why i am asking], but i've been meaning to know the answer to this lottery question...

Let's say you KNEW for sure that 2 or 3 numbers out of Powerball/MMillions where coming on the next drawing, and you was certain and you was correct....Could you some how wheeled or group it with other numbers it in a matter not seen before and get the 5/5? Like with some kind of wheel or numbers grouping or number structuring...

my question to you all is, could this be possible? I don't know if anyone has touched that subject...

Like 3 years ago [2005 i think], i read something not really similar on a website but the information was limited...

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    LANTERN's avatar - kilroy 28_173_reasonably_small.jpg
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    Posted: June 27, 2009, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

    I don't know if i am correct or not [that's why i am asking], but i've been meaning to know the answer to this lottery question...

    Let's say you KNEW for sure that 2 or 3 numbers out of Powerball/MMillions where coming on the next drawing, and you was certain and you was correct....Could you some how wheeled or group it with other numbers it in a matter not seen before and get the 5/5? Like with some kind of wheel or numbers grouping or number structuring...

    my question to you all is, could this be possible? I don't know if anyone has touched that subject...

    Like 3 years ago [2005 i think], i read something not really similar on a website but the information was limited...

    So you are talking only about the 5 main numbers and not about the 5 + 1?

    5 out of 5 does not pay that much unless you are on a state like Tx where with 1 more Dollar per number you can MegaPly smaller wins such as 5 out of 5 from 1/4 Million to 1 Million.

    2 out of 5 not enough I guess, but maybe 3 or better yet 4 out of 5, yes you can wheel, but you probably will get way too many combinations, I don't know, let us see:

    54X54= 2916

    54x54x54= 157,464.

    It better be 2 or 3 for sure if a profit is needed.

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    Such a thing would be better used together with other techniques for some reduction of combinations, one such of possible great help would or might be:

    -------. Yes, I better don't mention it, things would have to be tried with past draws first and then with future draws, but without buying any tickets and many times to see if it would really work or not.

    A proper filtered  wheeler would be needed to put everything together with.

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      Posted: June 27, 2009, 10:36 pm - IP Logged

      I think I'm misunderstanding the question.

      I'm not clear on 2 or 3 numbers matching 5 out of 5 on the main field of numbers... for example, Mega Millions main 5/56 field.

      Balance is Key

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        Posted: June 27, 2009, 10:42 pm - IP Logged

        If you knew two numbers were going to be drawn for sure it would give you quite an advantage.

        For MegaMillions with 56 numbers you would have 2 key numbers plus the possible combinations of 3of54 or 24,804 possible combinations to match 5of5.

        For PowerBall with 59 numbers you would have 2 key numbers plus the possible combinations of 3of57 or 29,260 possible combinations to match 5of5.

        In a MegaMillion state your prize would $250K and in a PowerBall state it would be $200K or $1M with powerplay.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: June 27, 2009, 10:47 pm - IP Logged

          If you knew two numbers were going to be drawn for sure it would give you quite an advantage.

          For MegaMillions with 56 numbers you would have 2 key numbers plus the possible combinations of 3of54 or 24,804 possible combinations to match 5of5.

          For PowerBall with 59 numbers you would have 2 key numbers plus the possible combinations of 3of57 or 29,260 possible combinations to match 5of5.

          In a MegaMillion state your prize would $250K and in a PowerBall state it would be $200K or $1M with powerplay.

          Got it!! Never thought of it with Key Numbers. Just thinking of th hunch.

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            Posted: June 28, 2009, 2:46 am - IP Logged

            Hi,

            i don't know how much it costs to play MM or powerball, but here's an example for the belgian lotto.
            It is a 6/42 game.
            One ticket costs 0.5 euro and the prizes start at 3 correct numbers.
            The prize for 3 correct numbers is fixed, it is 2.5 euro.

            So, in this case, if one would be certain of 3 numbers, each draw, one could not care less for all 6, because one would only need 3 to become a millionnaire.

            Draw 1: 5 euro = 10 tickets - win 10 times 2.5 euro = 25 euro
            Draw 2: 25 euro = 50 tickets - win 50 times 2.5 euro = 125 euro
            Draw 3: 125 euro = 250 tickets - win 250 times 2.5 euro = 625 euro
            Draw 4: 625 euro = 1250 tickets - win 1250 times 2.5 euro = 3125 euro
            Draw 5: 3125 euro = 6250 tickets - win 6250 times 2.5 euro = 15625 euro
            and so on...

            The only problem would be to fill in that many tickets (even if one would print them using software, you still need to validate them), and the fact that it is all automated they would soon "track you down" (and buy you out of the game)

            So there would be 2 goals: keep getting those 3 correct numbers each time,
            and remain in low profile, keep the winnings down to  level that is acceptable and validate them in several different stores all over the country (belgium is pretty small lol)

            cheers
            Ricky

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              Posted: June 28, 2009, 4:00 am - IP Logged

              Hi,

              i don't know how much it costs to play MM or powerball, but here's an example for the belgian lotto.
              It is a 6/42 game.
              One ticket costs 0.5 euro and the prizes start at 3 correct numbers.
              The prize for 3 correct numbers is fixed, it is 2.5 euro.

              So, in this case, if one would be certain of 3 numbers, each draw, one could not care less for all 6, because one would only need 3 to become a millionnaire.

              Draw 1: 5 euro = 10 tickets - win 10 times 2.5 euro = 25 euro
              Draw 2: 25 euro = 50 tickets - win 50 times 2.5 euro = 125 euro
              Draw 3: 125 euro = 250 tickets - win 250 times 2.5 euro = 625 euro
              Draw 4: 625 euro = 1250 tickets - win 1250 times 2.5 euro = 3125 euro
              Draw 5: 3125 euro = 6250 tickets - win 6250 times 2.5 euro = 15625 euro
              and so on...

              The only problem would be to fill in that many tickets (even if one would print them using software, you still need to validate them), and the fact that it is all automated they would soon "track you down" (and buy you out of the game)

              So there would be 2 goals: keep getting those 3 correct numbers each time,
              and remain in low profile, keep the winnings down to  level that is acceptable and validate them in several different stores all over the country (belgium is pretty small lol)

              cheers
              Ricky

              OTOH, you could play one draw 9,139 times - the number of possibilities in a 3/39 draw - and win every prize on the books - jackpot once and everything else multiple times.

              Blessed Saint Leibowitz, keep 'em dreamin' down there..... 

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                Posted: June 28, 2009, 6:48 am - IP Logged

                OTOH, you could play one draw 9,139 times - the number of possibilities in a 3/39 draw - and win every prize on the books - jackpot once and everything else multiple times.

                I think you are missing the point of what i posted...

                cheers
                Ricky

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                  Posted: June 28, 2009, 7:29 am - IP Logged

                  What you posted is close to impossible ie getting 3 numbers correct 10 or more drawings in a row.

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                    Posted: June 28, 2009, 7:37 am - IP Logged

                    I would take those two or three numbers go to the store and quick pick the remainning 3 or 2 numbers.

                    The way I see it, if you cover your odds, luck has a better chance of covering the rest of the odds for you.

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                      Posted: June 28, 2009, 8:57 am - IP Logged

                      What you posted is close to impossible ie getting 3 numbers correct 10 or more drawings in a row.

                      What i posted was a response to the openingpost : Let's say you KNEW for sure that 2 or 3 numbers out o...

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                        Posted: June 28, 2009, 5:53 pm - IP Logged

                        yea but he didn't say that he will know 2 or 3 numbers is current every drawing. It is more of a hunch, you know lottery, random etc.

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                          I don't know if i am correct or not [that's why i am asking], but i've been meaning to know the answer to this lottery question...

                          Let's say you KNEW for sure that 2 or 3 numbers out of Powerball/MMillions where coming on the next drawing, and you was certain and you was correct....Could you some how wheeled or group it with other numbers it in a matter not seen before and get the 5/5? Like with some kind of wheel or numbers grouping or number structuring...

                          my question to you all is, could this be possible? I don't know if anyone has touched that subject...

                          Like 3 years ago [2005 i think], i read something not really similar on a website but the information was limited...

                          Too bad pumpi that there is really no way to know for sure not even 1 number.

                          It is all a chance, some chances might be better than others, but chances they still are.

                          But what people said is right if there was a way to know for sure.

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                            yea but he didn't say that he will know 2 or 3 numbers is current every drawing. It is more of a hunch, you know lottery, random etc.

                            Oops, thought TS wrote "knew for sure"... must be my eyes playing tricks on me...

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                              Oops, thought TS wrote "knew for sure"... must be my eyes playing tricks on me...

                              Yep Paurths, my eyes are playing the same trick on me I Agree!

                               

                              So, if you would indeed KNOW 2 of the 5 numbers to hit for sure, you can make a full wheel with 2 key (or power) numbers. To cover all possible combinationsn, and therefore be sure to win the jackpot, it would take:

                              17.296 tickets in a 5/50 lottery

                              12.341 tickets in a 5/45 lottery

                              8.436 tickets in a 5/40 lottery

                              5.456 tickets in a 5/35 lottery

                              and 3.276 tickets tickets in a 5/30 lottery

                              Hope this is helpful in some way.

                              BTW: @ Paurths, any luck finding a 'system' in the Belgian Lotto? Maybe you could PM me (to keep this thread on topic) to exchange some ideas?