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Posted: August 1, 2009, 1:26 pm - IP Logged

 I have been playing a few differant 26 number wheels. Some created  by Covermaster, LDIR's Professional Wheeling and some direct downloads.The problem is after filtering in order to cut costs, I am eliminating winning tickets. What I would like to know is there a better way to filter than the basics like the filters LDIR uses?? The programs for predicting I am using is Lottoman & LDIR. Are there any programs that just do filtering?What?

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    Posted: August 1, 2009, 1:30 pm - IP Logged

    Eliminate or modify the filters that eliminated the winners.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: August 1, 2009, 1:39 pm - IP Logged

       I have been playing a few differant 26 number wheels. Some created  by Covermaster, LDIR's Professional Wheeling and some direct downloads.The problem is after filtering in order to cut costs, I am eliminating winning tickets. What I would like to know is there a better way to filter than the basics like the filters LDIR uses?? The programs for predicting I am using is Lottoman & LDIR. Are there any programs that just do filtering?What?

      Have you looked at the filters available to Platinum members at Lottery Post?

      There is an incredible variety of filters for practically any type of scenario.  To check it out:

      1. Click the Lottery Wheels Home Page in the Systems menu.
      2. Click on the wheel type (Pick 5 or Pick 6).
      3. Click on the Full Wheel of your choice as the starting point.  Don't worry about the number of tickets shown, because you are filtering and that number will change.  Focus on the Numbers column, which is the size of the pool of numbers in your wheel.
      4. Click the Show Filters button (in the Filters section) to reveal all of the available filters.  As a Standard member you can't use the filters, but you can certain explore all of the available filters to see how they work.
      5. Look at the bottom of the wheel page for very detailed instructions on how each filter works.  Everything is explained right on the page.

       

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        Posted: August 2, 2009, 3:58 am - IP Logged

         I have been playing a few differant 26 number wheels. Some created  by Covermaster, LDIR's Professional Wheeling and some direct downloads.The problem is after filtering in order to cut costs, I am eliminating winning tickets. What I would like to know is there a better way to filter than the basics like the filters LDIR uses?? The programs for predicting I am using is Lottoman & LDIR. Are there any programs that just do filtering?What?

        Filtering of this kind only applies to the jackpot combination and not the lower tier prizes.   In other words, when you allow only combinations with 2-odd/4-even you exchange the ability to win a prize with 3-odd numbers for the lower cost to play for the jackpot combination.

        The trouble is, what are the odds the jackpot combination will be among the combinations on the wheel you are filtering?  First the jackpot has to be in there among the other combinations and then you have to avoid filtering it out.

        As the only other kind of filtering software is rather expensive, I suggest the following.  Use CoverMaster and set max tickets to your budget.  Build the wheel and when done, Optimize it and see your percentage of coverage.  You can build a 3if6in24 number wheel to 100% in 24 tickets without making a split wheel, you can get 90% coverage in only 10 to 11 tickets.  This is the better place to save money because 10% risk is more acceptable when you can reduce the cost of playing by better then 50%.


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          Posted: August 2, 2009, 11:23 am - IP Logged

          This is the main reason Wheel Generator exists; to make coverings x if y with maximized coverage(s) to your budget without eliminating combos as defined by your filters. The problem you face when filtering down is exactly the reason I have created this program.

           

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            Posted: August 2, 2009, 12:22 pm - IP Logged

            Filtering of this kind only applies to the jackpot combination and not the lower tier prizes.   In other words, when you allow only combinations with 2-odd/4-even you exchange the ability to win a prize with 3-odd numbers for the lower cost to play for the jackpot combination.

            The trouble is, what are the odds the jackpot combination will be among the combinations on the wheel you are filtering?  First the jackpot has to be in there among the other combinations and then you have to avoid filtering it out.

            As the only other kind of filtering software is rather expensive, I suggest the following.  Use CoverMaster and set max tickets to your budget.  Build the wheel and when done, Optimize it and see your percentage of coverage.  You can build a 3if6in24 number wheel to 100% in 24 tickets without making a split wheel, you can get 90% coverage in only 10 to 11 tickets.  This is the better place to save money because 10% risk is more acceptable when you can reduce the cost of playing by better then 50%.


            BobP

            BobP,

            Not sure if you read my first post here, but I suggested that he try the Lottery Post wheel filters, which are not only full-featured, but cheap.  (Regarding your comment: "As the only other kind of filtering software is rather expensive, I suggest the following." — emphasis added by me.)

            The problem with throwing CoverMaster at the problem is that it does not tend to produce balanced wheels.  So saying that it won't filter out the jackpot winner is iffy at best.

            Don't get me wrong, CoverMaster is an awesome tool, but at the same time one needs to understand what they are getting.  Even though a CoverMaster wheel may be "minimal", saying it is "optimized" is not necessarily true.

            In wheel terms "optimized" means minimal AND balanced, not just minimal.

            ANY abbreviated wheel filters out jackpot-winners.  It's the nature of the beast.  By removing play selections, you're eliminating the jackpot-winner in nearly every case.  That's why balanced wheels are so important to many who use wheels frequently.  You're eliminating the bias of heavily-played numbers and placing equal emphasis on all of your number selections.  One could make the case that you are reducing the risk of "filtering out the jackpot-winner".

            Lottery Post has a series of hand-tuned lottery wheels that are both minimal AND balanced.  Many of the wheels have notes to indicate its particular strengths and uses.

            Since you're a Gold member you may not have explored the Abbreviated Wheels section, but it may be worth a look.  (Abbreviated Wheels are a Platinum member option.)

            In addition, the filtering tools I mentioned in my first post above provide the ability for even a non-expert to produce some fairly wicked filters.  Yet experts appreciate the extensive selection of filters, with the abilty to combine the filters in a limitless way.

            One of the downsides of tools like CoverMaster and others are that there is a learning curve as you try to figure out yet another software developer's opinion of the best interface to work with lottery numbers.  Some software is nearly uncomprehensible.  Others are pretty good.  But regardless, everyone tends to have their own approach, and non-techies tend to have a hard time with it.

            That's one of the reasons that Lottery Post's pages are all designed to work in a very linear fashion, which is easy for people to follow.  You can generally work with the tools here from top to bottom, and there is always extensive help right on the page itself -- sometimes right next to the function you're working with.  It is easy to follow.

            To sum up:

            • For reducing the number of tickets played while not requiring filtering, the Abbreviated Wheels offer a huge variety of options for any sized budget, big or small.
            • If someone decides that they would like to specify filtering themselves, I believe the wrong approach would be applying a filter on top of an abbreviated wheel.  BY starting off with an Abbreviated wheel, you are using a starting point that may already have combinations removed that would have otherwise met your crtieria.  The right approach is to start with ALL combinations (a FULL wheel), and then eliminate those combinations the player feels have unrealistic chances of being drawn (which is done by applying filters).  And that's exactly what you will find on the Full Wheels at Lottery Post.

            You can view all the tools and documentation for wheels by clicking Lottery Wheels on the left side of this page, or by selecting Lottery Wheels Home Page in the Systems menu.

             

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