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Posted: October 6, 2009, 7:39 am - IP Logged

I realize that this may have been brought up before, but it still confuses me.  Why is that that most of all jackpot winners for MM and PB seem to be in the East part of the USA?  I have been plotting on Google Earth all the winners and it appears to me that 85% or more of the winners are in the eastern part of the country.

I think I asked this question once before and was told by one person that it is due to the number of people that live on the East coast compared to the number on the West coast.  I can not understand how a game (PB or MM) that uses the ping pong ball draws are so overwhelmingly won in the eastern part of the country.

If the random number generators are "fair", AND they are not preselected by the RNG, then the numbers that I get via QPs here in Washington should have just as much a chance at winning and any one else.  However, I buy tickets for every single drawing of MM and have yet to even see more that one number on any of my tickets.  The tickets also seem to run in a pattern of the numbers.

Pardon my ranting, but it is just frustrating to see folks on the opposite side of the country having so many winners and there are so few out my way.

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    Posted: October 6, 2009, 10:35 am - IP Logged

    Interesting.

    Did you check the stats on tickets sold east coast vs west coast?

    Seems like that would likely make the difference.


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

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      Posted: October 6, 2009, 10:43 am - IP Logged

      have you considered population distribution of East vs. West?

      aside from CA and Texas, the east has way more states with population near or in the north of 10million.

       

      im sure i can list the states for you, but i am at work and second, im feel lazy today hehe.

       

      have a great day everyone.

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        Posted: October 6, 2009, 10:44 am - IP Logged

        I realize that this may have been brought up before, but it still confuses me.  Why is that that most of all jackpot winners for MM and PB seem to be in the East part of the USA?  I have been plotting on Google Earth all the winners and it appears to me that 85% or more of the winners are in the eastern part of the country.

        I think I asked this question once before and was told by one person that it is due to the number of people that live on the East coast compared to the number on the West coast.  I can not understand how a game (PB or MM) that uses the ping pong ball draws are so overwhelmingly won in the eastern part of the country.

        If the random number generators are "fair", AND they are not preselected by the RNG, then the numbers that I get via QPs here in Washington should have just as much a chance at winning and any one else.  However, I buy tickets for every single drawing of MM and have yet to even see more that one number on any of my tickets.  The tickets also seem to run in a pattern of the numbers.

        Pardon my ranting, but it is just frustrating to see folks on the opposite side of the country having so many winners and there are so few out my way.

        That's not the answer you wanted, perhaps, but it's the only sensible one.

        You didn't like the first answer you were given, so you're going to keep asking until you get the answer you want?

        A different situation always seems better than one's own: fertilior seges est alienis semper in agris: The harvest (Jackpot Win) is always more fruitful in another man's fields (East Coast). LOL!

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          Posted: October 6, 2009, 10:46 am - IP Logged

          here:

           

          01California&0000000036756666.00000036,756,666&0000000000000053.00000053&0000000000000055.00000055&0000000000000055.00000055&0000000000689683.000000689,683&0000000000664604.000000664,60411.95%11.95%
          0202Texas&0000000024326974.00000024,326,974&0000000000000032.00000032&0000000000000034.00000034&0000000000000089.00000089&0000000000747012.000000747,012&0000000000703070.000000703,0707.81%19.76%
          0303New York&0000000019490297.00000019,490,297&0000000000000029.00000029&0000000000000031.00000031&0000000000000120.000000120&0000000000665439.000000665,439&0000000000622507.000000622,5076.31%26.07%
          0404Florida&0000000018328340.00000018,328,340&0000000000000025.00000025&0000000000000027.00000027&0000000000000147.000000147&0000000000730050.000000730,050&0000000000675972.000000675,9725.97%32.04%
          0505Illinois&0000000012901563.00000012,901,563&0000000000000019.00000019&0000000000000021.00000021&0000000000000168.000000168&0000000000676450.000000676,450&0000000000612026.000000612,0264.20%36.24%
          0606Pennsylvania&0000000012448279.00000012,448,279&0000000000000019.00000019&0000000000000021.00000021&0000000000000189.000000189&0000000000654357.000000654,357&0000000000592038.000000592,0384.06%40.30%
          0707Ohio&0000000011485910.00000011,485,910&0000000000000018.00000018&0000000000000020.00000020&0000000000000209.000000209&0000000000637051.000000637,051&0000000000573346.000000573,3463.75%44.05%
          0808Michigan&0000000010003422.00000010,003,422&0000000000000015.00000015&0000000000000017.00000017&0000000000000226.000000226&0000000000671455.000000671,455&0000000000592460.000000592,4603.29%47.34%
          0909Georgia&0000000009685744.0000009,685,744&0000000000000013.00000013&0000000000000015.00000015&0000000000000241.000000241&0000000000734212.000000734,212&0000000000636317.000000636,3173.12%50.46%
          1010North Carolina&0000000009222414.0000009,222,414&0000000000000013.00000013&0000000000000015.00000015&0000000000000256.000000256&0000000000697002.000000697,002&0000000000604069.000000604,0693.08%53.42%
          1111New Jersey&0000000008682661.0000008,682,661&0000000000000013.00000013&0000000000000015.00000015&0000000000000271.000000271&0000000000668148.000000668,148&0000000000579061.000000579,0612.84%56.26%
          1212Virginia

          those are the top 12 states in relation to pop.

          like i stated above, Texas and Calif are the only two from the west.

           

          that answers your question OP.

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            I realize that this may have been brought up before, but it still confuses me.  Why is that that most of all jackpot winners for MM and PB seem to be in the East part of the USA?  I have been plotting on Google Earth all the winners and it appears to me that 85% or more of the winners are in the eastern part of the country.

            I think I asked this question once before and was told by one person that it is due to the number of people that live on the East coast compared to the number on the West coast.  I can not understand how a game (PB or MM) that uses the ping pong ball draws are so overwhelmingly won in the eastern part of the country.

            If the random number generators are "fair", AND they are not preselected by the RNG, then the numbers that I get via QPs here in Washington should have just as much a chance at winning and any one else.  However, I buy tickets for every single drawing of MM and have yet to even see more that one number on any of my tickets.  The tickets also seem to run in a pattern of the numbers.

            Pardon my ranting, but it is just frustrating to see folks on the opposite side of the country having so many winners and there are so few out my way.

            When the MM jackpot was $333 million, there were 3,661,221 tickets sold in Washington state. Without any duplicates those tickets represent only 2% the possible combinations and only 2.5% of all the tickets sold for that drawing. Combined the states of Texas, California, and Washington sold 39 million tickets or 25% of all the tickets sold for that drawing.

            I didn't do the statistics for all the drawings when a jackpot was won, but if around 25% of the tickets are sold in the west, it's pretty obvious why the majority of jackpots are won in the east.

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              When the MM jackpot was $333 million, there were 3,661,221 tickets sold in Washington state. Without any duplicates those tickets represent only 2% the possible combinations and only 2.5% of all the tickets sold for that drawing. Combined the states of Texas, California, and Washington sold 39 million tickets or 25% of all the tickets sold for that drawing.

              I didn't do the statistics for all the drawings when a jackpot was won, but if around 25% of the tickets are sold in the west, it's pretty obvious why the majority of jackpots are won in the east.

              I Agree!If you check you'll see that west coast states have won 2.33 jackpots this year.  Almost 24%...Its all in the stats.....25% of ticket sales/24% of the wins.... 

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                Posted: October 7, 2009, 2:31 am - IP Logged

                I want to thank all that have responded to my question.

                First off, I in no way didn't like the answer that I got when I asked this question the first time, I just never felt that I had the answer explained fully.

                Secondly, I think I understand the responses that I got this time, just a little let down in the sense, if I understand correctly, that since I live in a state that had low numbers of tickets sold compared to the higher population centers of the East, that my chances of winning a JP are basicly slim to none.

                I guess I am just a dumb ole' country boy transplanted from the South, cuz I can't figure out why my chances of getting more than 1 or 2 numbers to match on a ticket are based on being in a state that has a large population.

                If I go off the explanations given, my chances of winning a JP living in the state of Washington are so small, if I base the chances of winning on population, then I don't even have the same odds as listed for the game itself (1 in 175,711,536) due to living in Washington.

                As stated earlier, I am an ole' country boy and statistics and such are not a strong suit at all.  That is why the stupid questions to try and understand what is going on.  Just depressing to think that I have a less than snowball chance in hell of winning. :(

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                  I want to thank all that have responded to my question.

                  First off, I in no way didn't like the answer that I got when I asked this question the first time, I just never felt that I had the answer explained fully.

                  Secondly, I think I understand the responses that I got this time, just a little let down in the sense, if I understand correctly, that since I live in a state that had low numbers of tickets sold compared to the higher population centers of the East, that my chances of winning a JP are basicly slim to none.

                  I guess I am just a dumb ole' country boy transplanted from the South, cuz I can't figure out why my chances of getting more than 1 or 2 numbers to match on a ticket are based on being in a state that has a large population.

                  If I go off the explanations given, my chances of winning a JP living in the state of Washington are so small, if I base the chances of winning on population, then I don't even have the same odds as listed for the game itself (1 in 175,711,536) due to living in Washington.

                  As stated earlier, I am an ole' country boy and statistics and such are not a strong suit at all.  That is why the stupid questions to try and understand what is going on.  Just depressing to think that I have a less than snowball chance in hell of winning. :(

                  Look at it this way most winning tickets are quick picks and whomever has the winning tickets is gonna win if you are a person who also selects his numbers than you have the same chance of winning as everyone else. Apparently you must think that everybody that plays is going to win at some point or another. Well it ain't going to happen the only people who win are the people who have a the winning numbers on their tickets. The same odds as everyone else. Nobody knows where the next winning ticket will be sold it could be in some little town tucked away miles from the big city or it could be in some bustling community.

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                    Look at it this way most winning tickets are quick picks and whomever has the winning tickets is gonna win if you are a person who also selects his numbers than you have the same chance of winning as everyone else. Apparently you must think that everybody that plays is going to win at some point or another. Well it ain't going to happen the only people who win are the people who have a the winning numbers on their tickets. The same odds as everyone else. Nobody knows where the next winning ticket will be sold it could be in some little town tucked away miles from the big city or it could be in some bustling community.

                    Thanks for the post four4me.

                    It isn't that I think everybody that play will win as you stated.  I am just at a lose as to how the larger population centers have a winners almost constantly.  I have been playing PB for the last 6 years and played MM for the last 2 years.  My confusion seems to be that while I mostly play QPs, it seems to me that the tickets that I get out here in Washington have yet to have more than 1 number per ticket.

                    Case in point, I had a $5 QP for last nights drawing and only had 2 numbers yet they were on seperate lines.  If MM has a 1 in 39 chance to win something I have yet to have anything close to a winner in 2 years.  I guess buying so few tickets each drawing is hampering my chances at winning, but there have been the reports that several of the lastest winners have had less than $5 in QPs, so there may still be hope for me yet.  HAHA

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                      Thanks for the post four4me.

                      It isn't that I think everybody that play will win as you stated.  I am just at a lose as to how the larger population centers have a winners almost constantly.  I have been playing PB for the last 6 years and played MM for the last 2 years.  My confusion seems to be that while I mostly play QPs, it seems to me that the tickets that I get out here in Washington have yet to have more than 1 number per ticket.

                      Case in point, I had a $5 QP for last nights drawing and only had 2 numbers yet they were on seperate lines.  If MM has a 1 in 39 chance to win something I have yet to have anything close to a winner in 2 years.  I guess buying so few tickets each drawing is hampering my chances at winning, but there have been the reports that several of the lastest winners have had less than $5 in QPs, so there may still be hope for me yet.  HAHA

                      The statistic show that Washington, California, and Texas buy about 25% of the MM tickets and as fja pointed out, combined has won about 24% of the jackpots and a very reasonable proportion. On five QPs lines at best you can only get 25 of the 56 numbers so only matching 2 or 3 numbers is expected. The overall odds of winning something is 1 ticket out of every 40 tickets and if seven other players bought five QPs too, one of them probably won something.

                      It doesn't really matter if you match all five numbers but only have two matched numbers on every line buying five QPs because it pays nothing unless you match the mega number too. Even if you happen to match three numbers on one line, you're only going to win 2 bucks ($7 minus the $5 cost of the tickets). The more realistic approach to the game is buy five QPs, cross your fingers and toes and "hope" the drawn numbers will match one of the lines. It doesn't matter where you live or buy your tickets because the overwhelming odds are exactly the same for you as anyone else buying five QPs in any of the MM states.

                      In the jackpot games forum Maddog has a MM challenge where players predict 12 numbers and 4 mega balls and in another thread, fja has all the stats. Take a look at those results and you may have a more realistic idea of what to expect in return for buying 5 QPs. Maddog's Challenge is well thought out because it's not just about predicting numbers; players can get excellent coverage playing their predictions for as little as $12.

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                        I played $5 last night too.  I got 3 numbers in 3 different lines.  (only 2 in Maddogs challenge).  I have been playing since 2002. My biggest win was a 4+0 for $150.00. (accidental qp) so basically in 7 years I have had 1 month where I came out ahead. 

                        I play to be in it.  I like numbers and challenges that deal with numbers.  My numbers have improved by playing maddogs challenges and watching what others are doing.

                        Coming from the east it would be easy for me to ask, why is everyone around the area where I live winning and not me.  But I already know the answer.

                        If your State tripled its sales and tripled its wins, do you think that you would have a better chance of winning?

                        keep trying and good luck!

                         

                         

                         

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                          because the east is the best/ lol /

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                            I want to thank all that have responded to my question.

                            First off, I in no way didn't like the answer that I got when I asked this question the first time, I just never felt that I had the answer explained fully.

                            Secondly, I think I understand the responses that I got this time, just a little let down in the sense, if I understand correctly, that since I live in a state that had low numbers of tickets sold compared to the higher population centers of the East, that my chances of winning a JP are basicly slim to none.

                            I guess I am just a dumb ole' country boy transplanted from the South, cuz I can't figure out why my chances of getting more than 1 or 2 numbers to match on a ticket are based on being in a state that has a large population.

                            If I go off the explanations given, my chances of winning a JP living in the state of Washington are so small, if I base the chances of winning on population, then I don't even have the same odds as listed for the game itself (1 in 175,711,536) due to living in Washington.

                            As stated earlier, I am an ole' country boy and statistics and such are not a strong suit at all.  That is why the stupid questions to try and understand what is going on.  Just depressing to think that I have a less than snowball chance in hell of winning. :(

                            "if I understand correctly, that since I live in a state that had lownumbers of tickets sold compared to the higher population centers ofthe East, that my chances of winning a JP are basicly slim to none."

                            Maybe the answers could have been more clear, but you didn't understand them correctly. Your chances of winning anything of consequence are slim to none, but it's because the odds are against you (and everyone else), regardless of where you buy tickets. Your chances are a function of the odds of the game and how many tickets you have, and it works the same for everyone else. If you buy 1 ticket and I buy 3 then I'm 3 times as likely to win as you are. If eastern states sell 3 times as many tickets as western states, then eastern states should be expected to have 3 times as many winners. How many tickets are bought by other people, and where they buy those tickets will affect general trends, but has absolutely no effect on your chances, or anyone else's.

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                              >"if I understand correctly, that since I live in a state that had low numbers of tickets sold compared to the higher population centers of the East, that my chances

                              >of winning a JP are basicly slim to none."

                              No the odds of YOU winning are exactly  the same as anybody anywhere else.

                              Think of it this way if somebody in your house buys 1 MegaMillion ticket the odds for somebody to win in your house is  1:175,000,000...

                              And if 175,000,000  tickets are sold outside your house, the odds are 1:1 chance to win outside of your house.

                              Now if 1 person in new York buys 1 ticket he has the same 1:175,000,000 odds as you...

                              Now figure this one, South Dakota has about 800,000 residents. And I know of 2 or 3 powerball drawings have been sold there...

                              Or Ma and Pa's store on the miracle mile sold 2 winners...

                              Or  of the fact of so many winners sold in a close area..,.

                              You odds are just as bad as anybody elses... And they ARE bad!

                              MarkP