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Posted: February 11, 2010, 6:17 pm - IP Logged

You are in Tx and so long as you are in Tx you will not play the Florida pick 5, unless you first go there and buy numbers.

But your Florida friend can buy numbers and play the lottery there.

You send numbers and money to your friend, a check, money order or whatever should be O.K.

He buys the numbers, keeps the tickets on Florida (Does not send them back to you).

He wins and shares the winning money with you, sends you a check, money order or whatever.

If you all win the jackpot, if you want to, you can go to Florida, get the ticket from your friend, sign it or co-sign it and you or both of you go to claim the prize money.

But the ticket itself always stays on Florida and does not go out of that state.

I don't know the law,but it seems to be a very small lottery pool that you both got going on there.

And I myself don't see anything wrong with it.

This is not or should not be the same as online gambling as neither of you is doing online gambling as far as I know of.

You both would just have your own private lottery pool even you are on Tx and he or she is on Florida.

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    Posted: February 12, 2010, 12:13 am - IP Logged

    Hi folks.

     

    I'm in Texas but want to play the Florida Pick 5.

     

    Let's say I teamed up with a lottery partner in Florida.

     

    I send my lottery partner 100 numbers to play and $100 through Paypal.

     

    My lottery partner plays my 100 numbers with the $100 I sent.

     

    If my numbers hit, I split the winnings with my lottery partner.

     

    My lottery partner then sends my percentage of winnings back to me through Paypal, minus the necessary taxes my lottery partner is responsible for.

     

    Is this legal?

     

    Thanks, in advance.

    There are so many red flags about this; 1st of all you will really need to pick a honest lottery partner in the State of Florida and depend on them to do the right thing several state lines away.  Also, how would you really know once you sent the $100.00 if they spend it all or part of it on the lottery--you won't know unless for some reason the numbers would hit and he or she didn't play them at that particular time.  You will need to have this partnership legalize by a contract or something just to cover your losses. As far as Paypal, contact them and ask for yourself whether it legal to do this or not.  However, it could work at least if you had a trusted friend who currently lives in the State of Florida;  for example I could contact two of my good friends whom I've known for quite somewhile and who live in Illnois and Texas and ask to do the exact same thing. But you have to have a strong friendship, along with trust to set up this type of partnership.

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      There's always someone that has a way to break the law!!

      It is not against the Law for someone from another state to buy me a tiket!! Megamillion is playing in a lot of States! So is Lotto or Mega Ball!    It is perfectly legal! Get your Facts!

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        Posted: February 12, 2010, 12:57 am - IP Logged

        Is this legal?
        No.

        My lottery partner plays my 100 numbers with the $100 I sent.
        Or at least tells you so. They simply might spend your $100, and the only thing that gets played ... is you.

        If my numbers hit, I split the winnings with my lottery partner.
        If your numbers hit and your lottery partner "splits" with their winnings, you'd have no legal recourse.

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          Posted: February 12, 2010, 1:08 am - IP Logged

          Is this legal?
          No.

          My lottery partner plays my 100 numbers with the $100 I sent.
          Or at least tells you so. They simply might spend your $100, and the only thing that gets played ... is you.

          If my numbers hit, I split the winnings with my lottery partner.
          If your numbers hit and your lottery partner "splits" with their winnings, you'd have no legal recourse.

          What if all this conjector is only that?  What if the partner is a real Stand up person with a good heart and plays the 100 and does not "spli with the Winnings" sometimes we could be proyecting who we are, on to another person!

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            What if all this conjector is only that?  What if the partner is a real Stand up person with a good heart and plays the 100 and does not "spli with the Winnings" sometimes we could be proyecting who we are, on to another person!

            If the other person is decent, honest, bakes apple pies and all that, then of course there is no problem. Wink
            The cases where it all works out aren't the ones you usually hear about.

            There is/was an older story here about a group of people who won a large prize and one person hadn't put in the money for his share that week, although he had indicated he was planning to be "in". The manager of the pool let the guy square-up, after the drawing, so he could get a share of the prize with the others. That's the exception.

            If you search the news archives, you can learn quite a bit about when things go wrong, when folks get dishonest & greedy.

            Ultimately, it's cope's decision; I'm just letting him know that from a legal standpoint, he'll be unable to fight back if the other person cheats him.

            In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
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              If the other person is decent, honest, bakes apple pies and all that, then of course there is no problem. Wink
              The cases where it all works out aren't the ones you usually hear about.

              There is/was an older story here about a group of people who won a large prize and one person hadn't put in the money for his share that week, although he had indicated he was planning to be "in". The manager of the pool let the guy square-up, after the drawing, so he could get a share of the prize with the others. That's the exception.

              If you search the news archives, you can learn quite a bit about when things go wrong, when folks get dishonest & greedy.

              Ultimately, it's cope's decision; I'm just letting him know that from a legal standpoint, he'll be unable to fight back if the other person cheats him.

              Okay, Yep, the negative aspects have to be looked at, I hate Negatives...but one has to look before one leaps!

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                I have my facts.  You are the one in the dark.  I NEVER said that it was against the law to buy a ticket for another person.  I am only telling you what the LAW is.  This has been discussed here on LP dozens of times, but people just don't bother to do a search before posting something.  If you will search for "lottery pool" you will find enough info on LP to keep you busy for hours!  Or search on US Code.

                There are laws against sending anything having to do with a lottery through the U. S. Mail.  You will find that UPS and FedEx also follow that law.  

                The law that was passed just a few years ago (lots of discussion about that here on LP, also) prohibits transfers of money dealing with gambling.  That includes banks, credit unions, etc.  Yes, Palpal and Western Union are also included.  

                Good reading!

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                  I have my facts.  You are the one in the dark.  I NEVER said that it was against the law to buy a ticket for another person.  I am only telling you what the LAW is.  This has been discussed here on LP dozens of times, but people just don't bother to do a search before posting something.  If you will search for "lottery pool" you will find enough info on LP to keep you busy for hours!  Or search on US Code.

                  There are laws against sending anything having to do with a lottery through the U. S. Mail.  You will find that UPS and FedEx also follow that law.  

                  The law that was passed just a few years ago (lots of discussion about that here on LP, also) prohibits transfers of money dealing with gambling.  That includes banks, credit unions, etc.  Yes, Palpal and Western Union are also included.  

                  Good reading!

                  WoW, Jack-C I stand corrected! I did not know that if a person sent $$ to another for numbers through Western Union, Western Union had a law against it. So the receiver would be honor bound to let western union know, that the money they were sent was for the purposes of buying the State lottery!

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                    Posted: February 13, 2010, 7:49 pm - IP Logged

                     

                    I only obey laws that make sense. Just because some schmucks in DC say something is law don't mean jack to me. I agree with the quotes below: 

                     

                     

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                    Laws control the lesser man.  Right conduct controls the greater one.  ~Chinese Proverb


                    Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it.  ~Albert Einstein


                    No radical change on the plane of history is possible without crime.  ~Hermann Keyserling


                    Human history begins with man's act of disobedience which is at the very same time the beginning of his freedom and development of his reason.  ~Erich Fromm, Psychoanalysis and Religion


                    Integrity has no need of rules.  ~Albert Camus


                    If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.  ~Louis D. Brandeis


                    Laws are only words written on paper, words that change on society's whim and are interpreted differently daily by politicians, lawyers, judges, and policemen.  Anyone who believes that all laws should always be obeyed would have made a fine slave catcher.  Anyone who believes that all laws are applied equally, despite race, religion, or economic status, is a fool.  ~John J. Miller, And Hope to Die 


                    Every actual state is corrupt.  Good men must not obey laws too well.  ~Ralph Waldo Emerson


                    We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal."  ~Martin Luther King, Jr., "Letter from Birmingham Jail," Why We Can't Wait, 1963


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                    It is necessary to distinguish between the virtue and the vice of obedience.  ~Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays, 1911


                    I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward.  It is not so desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.  ~Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience, 1849


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                    It is not what a lawyer tells me I may do; but what humanity, reason, and justice tell me I ought to do.  ~Edmund Burke, Second Speech on Conciliation, 1775


                    I am free, no matter what rules surround me.  If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.  I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.  ~Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress


                    It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support.  If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man's shoulders.  ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobedience


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

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                      Posted: February 13, 2010, 8:22 pm - IP Logged

                      WOW - such diverse opinions!

                      I have a brother in Florida.

                      By agreement, I send him money and numbers.

                      He buys the Fan5 tickets.

                      He claims small wins

                      If I should win a big prize, say $250,000, I'll have to travel to Florida to collect.

                      My brother doesn't want or need an additional tax burden.

                      My brother will get a small percentage  - his choice.

                      If that's truly illegal, then one has to wonder to what level this country has sunk.

                      I'm sharing this bit of information because I'm just one of unknown thousands of folks who are playing
                      lotteries in states other than the one they live in.

                      The most important part is knowing and trusting the person who is handling the money and the tickets.

                      IMHP The laws on lotteries are designed mainly to prevent the illegal sale of lottery tickets across state lines for profit.

                      Case in point:

                      A New Jersey firm was selling tickets for the Texas Lotto game. 
                      The firm was charging more than a dollar per ticket.
                      A legal Texas lottery retailer bought the tickets and sent them to the NJ firm.

                      A New Jersey police officer bought a ticket with winning combinations for $4 million jackpot.

                      The firm presented the ticket to Texas Lottery Commission. They wanted the 5 percent retailers receive for
                      selling jackpot  tickets.

                      The TLC refused to pay.

                      1. The firm was not an authorized Texas lottery retailer.

                      2. The Texas retailer that  bought the tickets was not authorized to sell and send tickets to out of state players.
                      The retailer lost his license.

                      There were couple other grounds, but I can't recall all of the details.

                      Eventually, a Texas politician brought pressure on the TLC and the NJ cop got his jackpot, but the firm
                      didn't get anything.

                      Go figure!

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                        Posted: February 13, 2010, 8:54 pm - IP Logged

                        WOW - such diverse opinions!

                        I have a brother in Florida.

                        By agreement, I send him money and numbers.

                        He buys the Fan5 tickets.

                        He claims small wins

                        If I should win a big prize, say $250,000, I'll have to travel to Florida to collect.

                        My brother doesn't want or need an additional tax burden.

                        My brother will get a small percentage  - his choice.

                        If that's truly illegal, then one has to wonder to what level this country has sunk.

                        I'm sharing this bit of information because I'm just one of unknown thousands of folks who are playing
                        lotteries in states other than the one they live in.

                        The most important part is knowing and trusting the person who is handling the money and the tickets.

                        IMHP The laws on lotteries are designed mainly to prevent the illegal sale of lottery tickets across state lines for profit.

                        Case in point:

                        A New Jersey firm was selling tickets for the Texas Lotto game. 
                        The firm was charging more than a dollar per ticket.
                        A legal Texas lottery retailer bought the tickets and sent them to the NJ firm.

                        A New Jersey police officer bought a ticket with winning combinations for $4 million jackpot.

                        The firm presented the ticket to Texas Lottery Commission. They wanted the 5 percent retailers receive for
                        selling jackpot  tickets.

                        The TLC refused to pay.

                        1. The firm was not an authorized Texas lottery retailer.

                        2. The Texas retailer that  bought the tickets was not authorized to sell and send tickets to out of state players.
                        The retailer lost his license.

                        There were couple other grounds, but I can't recall all of the details.

                        Eventually, a Texas politician brought pressure on the TLC and the NJ cop got his jackpot, but the firm
                        didn't get anything.

                        Go figure!

                        If we all refuse to obey stupid laws, the idiots that make them wouldn't have enough jail cells to hold us all.

                        And in a perfect world we would be putting them in the cells.


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

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                          If we all refuse to obey stupid laws, the idiots that make them wouldn't have enough jail cells to hold us all.

                          And in a perfect world we would be putting them in the cells.

                          Let's start with congress.

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                            Posted: February 13, 2010, 9:03 pm - IP Logged

                            Hi folks.

                             

                            I'm in Texas but want to play the Florida Pick 5.

                             

                            Let's say I teamed up with a lottery partner in Florida.

                             

                            I send my lottery partner 100 numbers to play and $100 through Paypal.

                             

                            My lottery partner plays my 100 numbers with the $100 I sent.

                             

                            If my numbers hit, I split the winnings with my lottery partner.

                             

                            My lottery partner then sends my percentage of winnings back to me through Paypal, minus the necessary taxes my lottery partner is responsible for.

                             

                            Is this legal?

                             

                            Thanks, in advance.

                            This disturbs me ....

                            1) Okay, this person is your "Partner". Is this partner also investing $100 of his own money in the venture?

                            2) Why is this person guaranteed a "percentage" of YOUR WINNINGS if you win if he or she has not invested money?

                            3) Is this a trustworthy person? I mean not in debt to the state of Florida ie.. taxes, child support. I so, all of YOUR WINNINGS when he claims the BIG one will no longer be yours or his!

                            I do know that you are allowed to send money through PayPal person to person and I hope that it is not specified in sending info that it is for the purpose of playing the lottery.

                            Just MY Opinion......

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                              If we all refuse to obey stupid laws, the idiots that make them wouldn't have enough jail cells to hold us all.

                              And in a perfect world we would be putting them in the cells.

                              rdgrne, I like the way you are talking!, Sounds like you are saying Thumbs UpWe the People!

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