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What Are Your Personal Feelings On Computers?

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Which of the following choices is most in line with your thoughts on computers?

I don't like them because they CAN be manipulated [ 19 ]  [35.19%]
I don't like them because they ARE manipulated [ 10 ]  [18.52%]
Don't like inadvertent memory & randomness issues [ 4 ]  [7.41%]
Balls or computers - makes no difference to me [ 6 ]  [11.11%]
I prefer computers [ 9 ]  [16.67%]
Other [ 6 ]  [11.11%]
Total Valid Votes [ 54 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 5 ]  
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Posted: March 8, 2010, 10:30 pm - IP Logged

Well, my little beast monster aka mini notebook PC  has a mind of it's own HAHAHA!!!!!!

OK.........I'm really glad IL has ALL ball drawings.

I never thought about it......do they do pretests on computerized games? Maybe to make sure the machine is working?

Although I wouldn't say that the games are manipulated, who's to say they couldn't be at some point.

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    Personally, I feel that the real problem lies within how some states "split" the draws between RNG and mechanical. This can create some very, very interesting results to say the least and really put one's system to a true test. Splitting the draws actually gives the state even more of an advantage due to an increase in randomness...and it goes completely unnoticed unless one has a hawkeye.

    I stay away from them...and with good reason.

     

    L.L.

     

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      I've taken for granted that everyone hates computers in the lottery drawing process but recently saw someone say they prefer them.

      What are your thoughts on them?

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        Posted: March 8, 2010, 11:38 pm - IP Logged

        I've taken for granted that everyone hates computers in the lottery drawing process but recently saw someone say they prefer them.

        What are your thoughts on them?

        Judging by the responses, the majority of voters do not like them because they can be manipulated.  I am assuming we are talking about computer drawing for lottery numbers and if this be the case I do not have a preference. 

        The ball sets can be weighted or fixed also just like a computer can.  Lets remember one thing, lotteries for the most part are administrated by state governments.  I ask you has any kind of government been able to administor anything correctly?

        I think if we look at government in general we have answered our own question.

         

        Floridian

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          Posted: March 8, 2010, 11:46 pm - IP Logged

          I've taken for granted that everyone hates computers in the lottery drawing process but recently saw someone say they prefer them.

          What are your thoughts on them?

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          Why does a person have to play, no matter what?

          I myself don't care at all either way, if I don't like it, I don't have to play.

          If the game is not going to be honest, it won't be no matter what.

          I was told that on Mexico the lottery games are ball drawn and that even so that they are not honest, What can the Mexicans do that the Americans can't?

          Yea! I don't see anything wrong with computer drawn games that I don't already see with ball drawn games.

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              Posted: March 9, 2010, 12:07 am - IP Logged

              Whether its a computer or not some things must happen.

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                  Posted: March 9, 2010, 1:38 am - IP Logged

                  Computers all the way !

                  Sure there are bad apples, but not all apples in every tree. So this issue of tampering is minimal and is taken care of.

                  The only issue I have with computers is if they pre-test and don't publish the numbers, just like the ball drawings. Other than that, I'm much more comfortable with computers.

                  Unlike computers,(except for pre-tests, if applicable), tube rotations with ball drawings throw off the natural outcome. If the number 8 is overdue in tube one, and tube one gets rotated to the 3rd spot, and not made public......well, I don't know this. I've seen this happen. I'll be waiting for a long overdue number, and it'll show up when expected, but in a different position.

                  I was born at night, but not last night. 

                  And there lies the major difference between the two types of draws. A computer drawing may have a 2% bias due to a few illegal programmers. But a ball draw?, when every drawing in every state has the undesired tampering DONE LEGALLY....everyday..................And Nobody makes a big stink about that? A person feels computers are bad because of possible tampering, when ball draw techniques is an everyday thing? GO FIGURE !

                  I think people are against the wrong side.

                   

                   

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                    Computers all the way !

                    Sure there are bad apples, but not all apples in every tree. So this issue of tampering is minimal and is taken care of.

                    The only issue I have with computers is if they pre-test and don't publish the numbers, just like the ball drawings. Other than that, I'm much more comfortable with computers.

                    Unlike computers,(except for pre-tests, if applicable), tube rotations with ball drawings throw off the natural outcome. If the number 8 is overdue in tube one, and tube one gets rotated to the 3rd spot, and not made public......well, I don't know this. I've seen this happen. I'll be waiting for a long overdue number, and it'll show up when expected, but in a different position.

                    I was born at night, but not last night. 

                    And there lies the major difference between the two types of draws. A computer drawing may have a 2% bias due to a few illegal programmers. But a ball draw?, when every drawing in every state has the undesired tampering DONE LEGALLY....everyday..................And Nobody makes a big stink about that? A person feels computers are bad because of possible tampering, when ball draw techniques is an everyday thing? GO FIGURE !

                    I think people are against the wrong side.

                     

                     

                    Part of what you said in convincing but inaccurate. Tube rotations may throw off balls but computers are programmed. So either way it is not clean. What are the balls gonna do? drop out of thin air?

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                      Part of what you said in convincing but inaccurate. Tube rotations may throw off balls but computers are programmed. So either way it is not clean. What are the balls gonna do? drop out of thin air?

                      I'm not trying to convince anything to anybody. I'm merely stating my opinion.

                      The computers are programmed with a seed. 95% of programmers aren't secretly sitting around devising plans to deceive the public. SORRY ! I don't think so.

                      I've read Todd's comments on this in the past, in which he made one good point about self-dissolving programs that are untraceable. But again, my point is that in my opinion, those examples of bad apples are extremely infrequent, and not the norm, unlike ball drawings destroying pattern verification, and it's an everyday, legal occurence.

                       

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                        I understand your point Joker. But if balls were drawn the way you wanted them to I suppose you would win all the time, right? NOT. Whether the ball comes in the first tube or last why would you care if your winning? At the end of the day, each game is designed for its players to lose. Kinda like a casino but much worser. People are simply lucky when they win the PB or MM. But most people just dont know how to play pick 3 and 4. They get their relative's Bday number and run to the store to lose their hard-earned money. The game is 90% skill and 10% luck. Frankly, its just a scape-goat for people who want to win off of Divine guidance, and when they dont they blame it on the machine used, shameful.

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                          I don't have problem with them choosing the numbers so long as the RNG is cryptographically secure and there are security measures in place, which there are.

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                            Computers all the way !

                            Sure there are bad apples, but not all apples in every tree. So this issue of tampering is minimal and is taken care of.

                            The only issue I have with computers is if they pre-test and don't publish the numbers, just like the ball drawings. Other than that, I'm much more comfortable with computers.

                            Unlike computers,(except for pre-tests, if applicable), tube rotations with ball drawings throw off the natural outcome. If the number 8 is overdue in tube one, and tube one gets rotated to the 3rd spot, and not made public......well, I don't know this. I've seen this happen. I'll be waiting for a long overdue number, and it'll show up when expected, but in a different position.

                            I was born at night, but not last night. 

                            And there lies the major difference between the two types of draws. A computer drawing may have a 2% bias due to a few illegal programmers. But a ball draw?, when every drawing in every state has the undesired tampering DONE LEGALLY....everyday..................And Nobody makes a big stink about that? A person feels computers are bad because of possible tampering, when ball draw techniques is an everyday thing? GO FIGURE !

                            I think people are against the wrong side.

                             

                             

                            I don't know if all computer states use multiple hard drives, but some do, so not only do they have pseudo randomness going on, they don't even have the same hard drives doing it all. Each is started with a different seed. The hard drives are chosen at random. It may take a week for hard drive A, B, C to be in play again. Each with a predetermined seed to start from and pre-test thrown into the mix as well. And we won't even go into how easily they can be manipulated without even raising an elephant eyebrow. Naughty

                            With the ball and blower system, the balls have to weigh within a certain amount and the difference can only be minuscule. The same with the blowers, they have to be within a very short tolerance of each other. Thus making the balls much more random with a much better flow, and in my experience much more predictable. (the part I do like)

                            I personally had 3 times the wins with the Ball system, than I have ever had with a computer system.

                            Computers have no place in the lottery except to print the tickets for the drawing.

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                              A lot of interesting and intelligent responses, thanks.

                              I think one of my main concerns would be the memory issues with computers printing out tickets being connected to those picking the winning numbers. Is there any correlation between the two regarding numbers printed out on tickets and winning numbers chosen, whether inadvertently or by design? I know it's possible by design but could it also be possible inadvertently?

                              That's just one of those nagging doubts fostered by countless occasions of numbers coming in just after you stop playing them. Who hasn't experienced that a million times or so? It's almost uncanny how often that is experienced and reported by members here. Should that occurrence be so seemingly prevalent and common in the natural order of things?

                              Personally, I trust the mechanical ball machines over the computers by a long shot.


                                                                           
                                                   
                                                                       

                               

                               

                               

                               

                                                                                                                                 

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