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Posted: March 23, 2010, 9:01 pm - IP Logged

formula generate ten individual pairs from a given five digit group    what i would like to know is from a thirty five number field how many five digit numbers are needed to generate all possible pairs.

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    Posted: March 24, 2010, 5:19 am - IP Logged

    For 35 numbers and 5 numbers drawn you would require 64 lines for a 2if2 guarantee.

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      Posted: March 24, 2010, 10:14 pm - IP Logged

      For 35 numbers and 5 numbers drawn you would require 64 lines for a 2if2 guarantee.

      thank you for your answer Game Belgium but i am still confused.   if by formula (Nx N-1.......x N-r+1/r!) there are 595 distinct pairs of 2 within a field of 35 and each group of 5 will produce 10 pairs of 2 you would think that 59.5 groups of 5 should yield all 595 distinct pairs.   having played with this assumption the best i could do was 75 groups of 5 (lines?).    how did you arrive at 64 lines?

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        Posted: March 25, 2010, 3:55 am - IP Logged

        Like this (courtesy of Colin Barker, who's the author of this list):

        01 02 03 04 05
        01 02 03 06 07
        01 04 05 06 07
        01 08 15 22 29
        01 09 16 23 30
        01 10 17 24 31
        01 11 18 25 32
        01 12 19 26 33
        01 13 20 27 34
        01 14 21 28 35
        02 08 21 27 33
        02 09 15 28 34
        02 10 16 22 35
        02 11 17 23 29
        02 12 18 24 30
        02 13 19 25 31
        02 14 20 26 32
        03 08 20 25 30
        03 09 21 26 31
        03 10 15 27 32
        03 11 16 28 33
        03 12 17 22 34
        03 13 18 23 35
        03 14 19 24 29
        04 08 19 23 34
        04 09 20 24 35
        04 10 21 25 29
        04 11 15 26 30
        04 12 16 27 31
        04 13 17 28 32
        04 14 18 22 33
        05 08 18 28 31
        05 09 19 22 32
        05 10 20 23 33
        05 11 21 24 34
        05 12 15 25 35
        05 13 16 26 29
        05 14 17 27 30
        06 08 17 26 35
        06 09 18 27 29
        06 10 19 28 30
        06 11 20 22 31
        06 12 21 23 32
        06 13 15 24 33
        06 14 16 25 34
        07 08 16 24 32
        07 09 17 25 33
        07 10 18 26 34
        07 11 19 27 35
        07 12 20 28 29
        07 13 21 22 30
        07 14 15 23 31
        08 09 10 11 12
        08 09 10 13 14
        08 11 12 13 14
        15 16 17 18 19
        15 16 17 20 21
        15 18 19 20 21
        22 23 24 25 26
        22 23 24 27 28
        22 25 26 27 28
        29 30 31 32 33
        29 30 31 34 35

        2if2 wheels are very good for reducing the odds. For a 5/35 Lotto, there are 324.632 combinations. But only 5.456 combinations are left which will have the first two balls drawn. The odds are reduced from 1/324.632 to 1/5.456. Just to keep it real: the odds are still against you, but still an improvement. To achieve this, you will need to play 64 lines. Minimum prize guarantee = 10 x 2 correct numbers.

        Hope this helps!

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          Posted: March 25, 2010, 2:32 pm - IP Logged

          Hi,

          Does this mean that 5,456 combos will only match 2? The rest of the combos will match 3 or more?  I've never played 2if2 wheels, they sound very interesting to use.

          Thanks!

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            Posted: March 26, 2010, 3:41 am - IP Logged

            Hi,

            Does this mean that 5,456 combos will only match 2? The rest of the combos will match 3 or more?  I've never played 2if2 wheels, they sound very interesting to use.

            Thanks!

            No, it means that from the original 324.632 combinations, only 5.456 will match the first two balls drawn. The other 319.176 combinations will NOT have the first two balls drawn! That means that 98,32% of the combinations match only 1 or 0. With only 1,68% of all combinations left, your chances have improved quite a lot. It's still only a 1 in 5456 chance though.

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              Posted: March 26, 2010, 11:50 am - IP Logged

              Here is a link to an Excel file that will calculate the total number of combinations for 2 Pairs and 3 Pairs for a 35 number game

              http://www.box.net/shared/yf2mk9c09c

              For a 35 number game there are a total of 595 (2) Pairs

              So, for example if you use the number 1 you will see that there are a total of 34 possibile pairs.

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                Posted: March 26, 2010, 9:36 pm - IP Logged

                game belgium, thank you for the posting of the sixty four combinations needed to generate all pairs.  however i  am interested to know if mr. barker used a system or created this list hunt peck.