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# A PI formula for p-3, need help

Topic closed. 44 replies. Last post 7 years ago by Harve\$t Moon.

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Ok, so If I do 173 it would be:

1+1.77245385 X2=

then 7+........x2=

then 3 +.......x2=

I end up with

739

204

153

Right?

If I understand this right using 173

1+2=3

1+3=4

1+10=1

then do the 7 & 3

3  9  5

4  0  6

1  7  3

or

3 4 1

9 0 7

5 6 3

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If I understand this right using 173

1+2=3

1+3=4

1+10=1

then do the 7 & 3

3  9  5

4  0  6

1  7  3

or

3 4 1

9 0 7

5 6 3

I got the exact same thing as Carbob did

395

406

173

using mid 173

CG

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Thanx carbob, now I got it.

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Maybe someone can make some use of this and explain it to the rest of us in English....lol

A Pi formula for Pick 3 that actually works?

From a mathematical point of view to use the constant Pi (the ratio between a circumference of any given circle to its diameter) for creating Pick 3 numbers seems rather silly; the irrational number among the Pick 3 the integers 0 to 9 has the flavor of Pseudo-Math.

But then as a fun exercise the use the constant Pi can be amusing and – in quite a few cases – it can also bring successful. I'd like to give you all an example of a Pi formula that that actually has the potential of hitting numbers.

The formula looks more complex than it really is; but it is as accurate as possible with the use for letters and basic symbols. Part of the formula explains the different mathematical constants and operations used to achieve the result: A Wheel matrix that creates exactly 3 digits for the first position (alpha), second position (beta) and third position (gamma).

The Pi formula was originally created for the use in the Florida Pick 3 Lottery and was successfully used to create 27 numbers to follow the drawing November 18, 2002 (852).

Don't worry we are going to show you the calculations necessary.
The most recent draw was 852. For the formula that means that
alpha = 8
beta = 5
gamma = 2

To get to all 9 values required for the Wheel Matrix we start out with the first of the formula parts shown on the right.
Gamma = 2. The square root of pi = 1.77245385.
2 + 1.77245385 = 3.77245385
3.77245385 rounded = 4 (In this case the system has to round up.)
Modulo 10 of 4 = 4 If the number is higher than 10 the result is the last digit)

So our first result is 4.
We do the same procedure for the the next two of the top row (alpha and beta) and we will get the results 0 and 7.

Now we go to the next row. As an example I show how to calculate the middle part shown on the right.
Alpha = 8. pi = 3.14159265.
8 + 3.14159265 = 11.14159265
11.14159265 rounded = 11 (In this case the system has to round up.)
Modulo 10 of 11 = 1 (If the number is higher than 10 the result is the last digit)

So the middle result is 1.
The same procedure with the other middle calculations fives us for 5 and 8.

One row to go: As an example I use the last part.
Beta = 5. The 2nd power of pi = 9.8696044.
5 + 9.8696044 = 14.8696044.
14.8696044 rounded = 15 (In this case the system has to round up.)
Modulo 10 of 15 = 5 (If the number is higher than 10 the result is the last digit)

So the last result is 5.
Using the same procedure with the first and second part on the last row results in 2 and 8.
So our Wheel Matrix looks like this:

Now comes the easy part. We only need to combine the digits in each position with each other and we should get exactly 27 numbers.

Starting from the top down we get the following combinations:
407, 408, 405, 417, 418, 415, 487, 488, 485
507, 508, 505, 517, 518, 515, 587, 588, 585
207, 208, 205, 217, 218, 215, 287, 288, 285
Now you might wonder: This system was meant to hit following the drawing November 18, 2002 (852). Did it hit? Yes, it did. Boxed but hey, better than nothing. The Florida number for November 19, 2002 was 504. We had it boxed and the system was born.

Now you have a complete Pi Formula for Pick 3 that actually hits fairly frequently.

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This is my shortcut:

407

518

285

In the example at the top of joker17's post. Do you see how the draw 852 has been turned around so that the last digit is first 285?

Now, look at the 518, starting from the digit 2 add 3. You get 5, put that above the 2.

Starting from the digit 8 add 3 (lottery math, do not carry the one). You get 1, put that above the 8.

Starting from the digit 5 add 3. You get 8, put that above the five.

Now, look at the 407, starting from the 5 (in 518) minus 1. You get 4. Put that above the 5.

Starting from the 1 (in 518) minus 1. You get 0. Put that above the 1.

Starting from the 8 (in 518) minus 1. You get 7. Put that above the 8.

So, starting with the last draw turned around it is a matter of adding 3 then minus 1. I hope this is consistent!

That's it. Test it to the original post at the top of the page. You should be consistent because it may vary when it comes time to select #s.

Perhaps backtest to see how this may work in other states including the pick 4.

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if we all get the sam numbers then all of u doing it right , just remember its not just number from the back  in the 852   u  set them as 285

A   B    C

8   5    2

u set the as  C  A  B

Lavern   if the way u do it works thats  great i personally dont use -1  as u notice in oryginal formula there is no -1  but if u get the same results thats fine.

i think that the esiest way to do it is just to example :  173

write them as C A B

3  1  7

and then on top of them  +3  and then on top of that +2
and u get

5   3   9

6   4   0

3   1   7

And the answer is ???       U won't get it, if u don't ask the question ??

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if we all get the sam numbers then all of u doing it right , just remember its not just number from the back  in the 852   u  set them as 285

A   B    C

8   5    2

u set the as  C  A  B

Lavern   if the way u do it works thats  great i personally dont use -1  as u notice in oryginal formula there is no -1  but if u get the same results thats fine.

i think that the esiest way to do it is just to example :  173

write them as C A B

3  1  7

and then on top of them  +3  and then on top of that +2
and u get

5   3   9

6   4   0

3   1   7

The shortcut is based upon the example shown at the top of the post.

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This is my shortcut:

407

518

285

In the example at the top of joker17's post. Do you see how the draw 852 has been turned around so that the last digit is first 285?

Now, look at the 518, starting from the digit 2 add 3. You get 5, put that above the 2.

Starting from the digit 8 add 3 (lottery math, do not carry the one). You get 1, put that above the 8.

Starting from the digit 5 add 3. You get 8, put that above the five.

Now, look at the 407, starting from the 5 (in 518) minus 1. You get 4. Put that above the 5.

Starting from the 1 (in 518) minus 1. You get 0. Put that above the 1.

Starting from the 8 (in 518) minus 1. You get 7. Put that above the 8.

So, starting with the last draw turned around it is a matter of adding 3 then minus 1. I hope this is consistent!

That's it. Test it to the original post at the top of the page. You should be consistent because it may vary when it comes time to select #s.

Perhaps backtest to see how this may work in other states including the pick 4.

The shortcut method works in other states as well. It takes seconds to do, try it, experiment!

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The shortcut method works in other states as well. It takes seconds to do, try it, experiment!

Hi LAVERNE!

How would you set up your shortcut method for Pick 4?

Example?  PA  4890  eve  5-6-10  Thanks!

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Hi LAVERNE!

How would you set up your shortcut method for Pick 4?

Example?  PA  4890  eve  5-6-10  Thanks!

I would set it up in the same manner as above only working with one more digit, if indeed the pi formula would be the same for the pick 4. I do not know that for certain. However, let us see how this one would work for 4890.

2601

3712

0489

Then select in the same manner as stated above.

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I would set it up in the same manner as above only working with one more digit, if indeed the pi formula would be the same for the pick 4. I do not know that for certain. However, let us see how this one would work for 4890.

2601

3712

0489

Then select in the same manner as stated above.

Thanks!  I was also wondering if the 48 should be reversed to 84?

Then it would look like this ... 0849.

In the 3 digits example, there is only one digit in the middle position.

In the 4 digits there are two digits in the middle.

Since every digit is changing positions, do you think that 48 could/should be reversed?

It is true that the pair 48 unit just moved one step to the right in your shortcut, but it didn't flip places.

Also, should there be a 4th line?

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Thanks!  I was also wondering if the 48 should be reversed to 84?

Then it would look like this ... 0849.

In the 3 digits example, there is only one digit in the middle position.

In the 4 digits there are two digits in the middle.

Since every digit is changing positions, do you think that 48 could/should be reversed?

It is true that the pair 48 unit just moved one step to the right in your shortcut, but it didn't flip places.

Also, should there be a 4th line?

I do not know of the internal workings of this method. For me at this point it is trial & error. Experiment, experiment, experiment...Did I say experiment? LOL

I know you will find something Harve\$t Moon!

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I do not know of the internal workings of this method. For me at this point it is trial & error. Experiment, experiment, experiment...Did I say experiment? LOL

I know you will find something Harve\$t Moon!

LOL ... I'm getting closer and closer to going platinum ... soon!

Need the super tools to help with experimenting!

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LOL ... I'm getting closer and closer to going platinum ... soon!

Need the super tools to help with experimenting!

You should go for it Harve\$t Moon. When you have the quick ability to look over so much data you will become sharper when it comes to seeing patterns, +, -, matching up states & dates, perhaps becoming state specific, etc. The #s will become apart of you. I like to work with # sets. The plus minus as for me is a bit different.

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I would set it up in the same manner as above only working with one more digit, if indeed the pi formula would be the same for the pick 4. I do not know that for certain. However, let us see how this one would work for 4890.

2601

3712

0489

Then select in the same manner as stated above.

Thu, May 6, 2010 Pennsylvania Big 4 Evening 4-8-9-0

2601

3712

0489

Then,

Fri, May 7, 2010 Pennsylvania Big 4 Evening 8-7-9-6

Evening to evening. Also notice that there is a two digit return. & even using the +3, -1 you would not have to rearrange the digits to realize the hit.

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Thu, May 6, 2010 Pennsylvania Big 4 Evening 4-8-9-0

2601

3712

0489

Then,

Fri, May 7, 2010 Pennsylvania Big 4 Evening 8-7-9-6

Evening to evening. Also notice that there is a two digit return. & even using the +3, -1 you would not have to rearrange the digits to realize the hit.

This is interesting, LAVERNE!  I went looking for a Delta Pi formula for

the 4th line in my experiment.

Is there such a thing?  All the Pi(es) were beginning to look the alike! lol

Nice to know that it may not be needed and I can choose the apple pie instead! lol