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Useful for 5/6 Number Lotteries?

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Posted: July 1, 2010, 5:25 am - IP Logged

Hi all,

I am exploring a way of playing using Final Digits (or end digits as some people prefer) and numerology (or root sums) to reduce the number pool to play, and am hoping to get some input and some different ideas or perspectives. I use these terms as I got to learn about them this way, so will refer to FD (Final Digits) and Num (Numerology) sets.

There are 10 different FD's from 0-9, and 9 different Num's from 1-9. In a 5 number lottery there can only be a maximum of 5 FD's or Num, and for a 6 number lottery there can only be a maximum of 6 (often 5 or even 4 sometimes). The difficulty is in selecting the 5/6 that will appear. I will use the 6 number lottery as an example. There are 210 different ways of combining the 10 FD's into 6 (eg. 1 2 3 4 5 6, 1 2 3 4 5 7 etc.), and 84 different ways of combining the 9 Num's into 6. If one were to decide on 7 FD's then there would be 120 different sets of 6. A 6 number FD set would give 29-30 numbers and a 7 number set would give 34-35 numbers. Once you have the selected set of FD and Num then you would have reduced the number field to about 20-26 depending on whether you use FD 6 or 7.

As an example I tested it on the South Africa 6/49 lottery last night (30/6/2010). I used FD 7 (FD's were 1 2 4 6 7 9 0) and Num 6 (1 2 4 5 6 8). Combining these two and eliminating numbers that didn't fall in these, I had 24 numbers left to play and played 16 lines. The drawn numbers were 2, 6, 23, 35, 39, 47 bonus 26 -- FD 2 3 5 6 7 9 bonus 6, Num 2 2 3 5 6 8 bonus 8. As you can see I only got 4 of the FD's right and 4 of the Num (although the Num 2 duplicated). I got a 3 number win so got half my money back.

So the question I have is: What ideas do people have in selecting the FD's and Num's to include or to exclude from a set that will be the most accurate. How easy/difficult should it be to choose 6 from 9/10?

Looking forward to the responses
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    Posted: July 1, 2010, 11:56 am - IP Logged

    Hi all,

    I am exploring a way of playing using Final Digits (or end digits as some people prefer) and numerology (or root sums) to reduce the number pool to play, and am hoping to get some input and some different ideas or perspectives. I use these terms as I got to learn about them this way, so will refer to FD (Final Digits) and Num (Numerology) sets.

    There are 10 different FD's from 0-9, and 9 different Num's from 1-9. In a 5 number lottery there can only be a maximum of 5 FD's or Num, and for a 6 number lottery there can only be a maximum of 6 (often 5 or even 4 sometimes). The difficulty is in selecting the 5/6 that will appear. I will use the 6 number lottery as an example. There are 210 different ways of combining the 10 FD's into 6 (eg. 1 2 3 4 5 6, 1 2 3 4 5 7 etc.), and 84 different ways of combining the 9 Num's into 6. If one were to decide on 7 FD's then there would be 120 different sets of 6. A 6 number FD set would give 29-30 numbers and a 7 number set would give 34-35 numbers. Once you have the selected set of FD and Num then you would have reduced the number field to about 20-26 depending on whether you use FD 6 or 7.

    As an example I tested it on the South Africa 6/49 lottery last night (30/6/2010). I used FD 7 (FD's were 1 2 4 6 7 9 0) and Num 6 (1 2 4 5 6 8). Combining these two and eliminating numbers that didn't fall in these, I had 24 numbers left to play and played 16 lines. The drawn numbers were 2, 6, 23, 35, 39, 47 bonus 26 -- FD 2 3 5 6 7 9 bonus 6, Num 2 2 3 5 6 8 bonus 8. As you can see I only got 4 of the FD's right and 4 of the Num (although the Num 2 duplicated). I got a 3 number win so got half my money back.

    So the question I have is: What ideas do people have in selecting the FD's and Num's to include or to exclude from a set that will be the most accurate. How easy/difficult should it be to choose 6 from 9/10?

    Looking forward to the responses
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    Did you see this thread?

    http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/214856

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      Posted: July 2, 2010, 3:55 am - IP Logged

      Hi CARBOB,

      Yes I saw the post and have been following it closely. I was hoping to get some help in reducing the number field from the 49 in our lottery, and then use the reduced number field in conjunction with the information and ideas provided in RL's thread.

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        Posted: July 16, 2010, 8:12 am - IP Logged

        Hi all,

        Just an update. I selected my numbers again using the FD and Num sets, FD=6 and Num=6. I was left with 2 sets in each, FD 123570 and 124689; and Num 123579 and 124689. So combining the two I had 4 sets of 19-20 numbers. Since I am only testing and haven't found a way to narrow it down to one set I played all 4 sets, 4 lines per set. The draw for 7/7/2010 I only had 3 numbers in a set and didn't match anything. The Draw of 10/7/2010 I had all 6 numbers in a set (of 19 numbers) and got a 3 number match. The numbers were 2 4 19 27 31 49 bonus 26, FD=124799 and Num=124499. I use some of the ideas mentioned by RL in his Digit System as referred to by Carbob above to narrow down my selections. In the "Live" test it hit within 2 draws, but in backtesting, this way of selecting numbers seems to hit in 2-5 draws but this is with 2-3 sets of FD and 2-3 sets of Num, so the challenge is to get it down to one set of each. Will try and update the results as regularly as I can.

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          Posted: July 16, 2010, 9:22 am - IP Logged

          Almost forgot........the sets I will be monitoring for the next few draws are:

          FD= 123578 and 124690
          Num= 123468 and 125789

          Will post the results on Monday :-)

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            Posted: July 20, 2010, 4:01 am - IP Logged

            Hi all,

            The results for the SA Lotto were: 5 10 13 15 26 38 bonus 31, FD=355680 and Num= 124568. I only matched 3 numbers in one of the 4 sets. Hopefully I will get a 5 or 6 match in one of the sets in the next few draws.

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              Posted: August 5, 2010, 5:08 am - IP Logged

              Hi All,

              Seems I won't be able to update as much as I had hoped. Anyway, only matched 3 numbers and 4 numbers in the previous 3 draws until last night. Numbers drawn were 2 11 15 21 39 42 bonus 40, FD=112259 and Num=223366. Matched 5 and 5+B in the FD sets, and 6+B in the Num sets (Num set 1). if I had played the numbers I been playing since tracking (50 lines) I would have had 2x4 and 2x3, and would have won back just over 50% of what I played over the last 6 draws. Instead I decided to change and had FD6 123570 and 235790, and Num7 2346789. I eliminated FD 235790, and so had a total of 22 numbers to play with the one FD6 and the Num7. I played 15 lines making sure ALL numbers were represented at a cost of R75 (much cheaper than the previous one which would have cost me R250 to play). Won 2x3+b and 1x3 winning R368, much better profit than the first one and also, I hit on the first time of playing. This looks promising (but then again so have many other ways of playing I have tried), and I will keep exploring this method and providing feedback as and when I can.

              Happy winning!!!!!!!!!!

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                Posted: August 16, 2010, 7:48 am - IP Logged

                Hey All,

                Just an update........the selections have not been working too well so decided to take a step back and only focus on selecting the final digits, and looking at FD7 (7 Final digits). I have some success in selecting the FD's, but I am usually left with two sets (34-35 numbers). The sets selected for the Saturday draw past was 2356790 and 1457890......the numbers drawn were 5 6 16 26 46 49 bonus 2, FD 566669 bonus 2. So set 1 contained ALL 6 numbers and the bonus number. This has been the case in the last 3 draws I tested where one of the two sets had all the numbers. Haven't yet found a way to accurately select which set to play though, so that still leaves two sets of 34 numbers each to play, at over 1,3 million combinations per set Unhappy. Looking at ways to reduce the numbers from within the 34 and also looking at optimising filters to use once I have a reduced number field. Will keep updating as I progress through the tests.

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                  Posted: August 20, 2010, 7:44 am - IP Logged

                  Update

                  PowerBall (5/45+PB) Tuesday past, FD7 sets 1356780, 3567890......decided to go with the first set (1356780=31 numbers split into two sets of 16)....Result= 11 17 30 35 45 PB 20, FD 15570...ALL FD"s matched but because I split the set I only got 2x1+pb, so got 1/3 my money back.

                  Lotto (6/49) Wednesday past, FD7 sets 1236790, 1245789.......decided to go with second set (1245789=35 numbers split into two sets of 17).......Result= 22 24 27 36 40 43 Bonus 15, only 3 Fd's plus bonus matched from the selected set but 5 matched in the other set, didn't win anything in the lotto but got 3x3 in lottoplus also 1/3 money back. Looking at reducing from within the selected sets for now, for Powerball reducing to 25 and Lotto to 28. Powerball FD7 sets for next draw 2356790 and 1345789......using set 1 (2356790). Lotto stays the same two sets, still using set 2.

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                    Powerball last Friday- 15 21 24 32 44 PB 11, FD 12445 only matched 4 in set 2, Tuesday - 6 23 27 33 44 PB 16, FD 33467, again only matched 4 in the sets. Also monitored FD6 134670 and had all numbers for the Tuesday draw. Did a retrospective run (in a retrospective run I use all filters after the fact as I assume that I will get at least 1-3 filters wrong in my selection before the run), ended with 37 lines, 1x3 and 1x4+PB. Pity I was only monitoring as the FD6 hasn't been performing too well over the last few weeks :-(

                    Lotto Saturday - 10 13 14 26 29 31 Bonus 24, FD 134690 bonus 4, matched 5 in set one but playing set 2 so only had 3+b. Yesterday - 1 4 6 22 40 45 bonus 39, matched 4+b in both sets, but only 3+b in my reduced set of 28 numbers from set 2. Didn't win anything on the lotto OR the Powerball. Monitoring the same sets for the upcoming weekend draws.

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                      Posted: September 3, 2010, 9:19 am - IP Logged

                      Hi All,

                      My usual update. Lootery Saturday - 8 12 33 34 37 44 Bonus 38, Wednesday 13 37 39 41 43 46 bonus 28. Powerball Friday - 7 8 26 36 42 PB 20, Powerball Tuesday- 12 27 37 41 44 PB 20. Got 2x3 in the Lotto and 2x3 in the Powerball over the weekend, didn't play the Numbers in Lotto (Wednesday) or Powerball (Tuesday). Not playing the FD's but still tracking.

                      Played a new strategy on Wednesday in the Lotto - 32 Lines:

                      1, 2,23,34,36,48
                      1, 3,21,32,44,47
                      1, 7, 8,21,25,37
                      2, 4,18,28,33,39
                      2, 8,20,29,34,38
                      2,19,23,25,26,46
                      3, 5, 6,15,19,43
                      3, 6,24,35,40,48
                      3,17,20,22,24,35
                      4, 6,10,13,35,47
                      4,14,26,29,37,48
                      4,17,18,34,37,48
                      5, 9,11,28,36,44
                      5,10,11,17,32,49
                      5,11,19,21,22,31
                      6,11,27,28,30,43
                      7,12,14,17,30,37
                      7,12,14,20,41,42
                      7,13,22,26,39,42
                      8, 9,27,31,43,46
                      8,10,35,36,38,46
                      9,12,30,32,40,42
                      9,19,31,38,40,45
                      10,22,32,33,38,43
                      12,24,25,31,41,44
                      13 16 28 39 41 45
                      14,16,20,23,27,44
                      15,18,25,26,30,49
                      15,23,29,36,40,42
                      15,34,41,46,47,49
                      16,18,21,33,45,47
                      16,24,27,33,39,49

                      Got 3+b in Line 26 (bold) as well as 3 in the LottoPlus. Will be playing the same Lines this saturday as well as the following 16 Lines:

                      1 11 24 25 27 38
                      1 33 34 37 41 43
                      2 14 18 29 40 47
                      2 16 22 29 32 42
                      3  6 12 28 46 47
                      3 16 19 20 40 41
                      4  7 26 31 39 44
                      4 21 23 39 46 49
                      5  6 14 27 34 43
                      5 12 24 26 30 36
                      7 25 31 33 42 48
                      8  9 30 37 38 48
                      8 21 23 28 32 35
                      9 13 15 17 19 36
                      10 11 13 17 35 49
                      10 15 20 22 44 45

                      Will keep updating progress and results.

                      Happy Winning!!!

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                        Posted: September 8, 2010, 6:21 am - IP Logged

                        Hi all,

                        Numbers in the Lotto for Saturday were 15 21 23 31 34 48 Bonus 44, got 1x3 (Line1). Will see how well it does over the next few draws. Also looking at the 7x7 "Magic Square" and seeing how useful it would be to select 5 Verticals, and 5 Horizontals (in a similar way to the FD/Num strat above) to give a set of 25 Numbers. Backtesting so far has been good, but again also best results are in 4 sets of 25 Numbers. Might be good for syndicates? Will keep posting results.

                        Happy winning!!!!!

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                          Update - numbers drawn for Lotto Wednesday were 9 12 13 15 18 47 Bonus - 21. Got 1x3 in the lotto and 2x3 in the Lottoplus (numbers drawn 1 7 25 32 42 47 Bonus 34). The aim is to have ALL 49 numbers in play and for a start get a 3 number match in as few lines as possible and then build from there to get 4, 5, JACKPOT. So far been getting at least a 3 match in the Lotto in the last 4 draws in 48 lines (as well as in the LottoPlus).........will see how successful it is over the next few draws, and in the meantime try to tighten it up to get the next step up to a 4 number match.

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                            Latest update......results for Saturday past- Lotto- 13 20 31 32 36 38 bonus 19, LottoPlus- 2 23 26 27 32 46 bonus 18. Got 0 in the Lotto and 1x4 in the LottoPlus. Hoping tonights results will be better.

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                              Numbers for Wednesday past - Lotto - 14 24 26 27 38 46 bonus 25, LottoPlus - 4 11 14 38 45 47 bonus 33. Got 3+b in the Lotto and 0 in the LottoPlus amongst my 48 lines above. The wait continues :-)